Can you help BBC News please

Stanley Mitchell:
For what its worth,

I sold my transport business nearly four years ago, if I could see what was coming, how come not many others did ?

There were too many trucks chasing too little work even in those days, our industry is too easy to enter, we have all met people with good intentions, but, who did`nt have a clue with the costings ect.

Don`t forget, its very easy to cut a rate, but very difficult to get it back up again.

All the crap about the cost of fuel, it does not matter if its £10 per litre, its a cost, YOU PASS IT ON, I know plenty of companies who are on “cost plus” contracts, they seem very relaxed.

And, it is`nt rocket science, the UK economy has SHRUNK, [by more than the government admits], so, the need for trucks / drivers has shrunk accordingly, my old bank manager used to ask me about the “actual” economy, as “road transport” was at the sharp end, he said that spending 20 mins on the phone with a SOLVENT haulier was far more productive than speaking with the banks analyists, who were actually paid to “watch” the economy, but, who had little idea of what was actually happening, or, if they did, it was six / twelve months out of date.

One things for sure, when things DO pick up, the transport industry will be one of the first to know about it.

My only worry, will there be anyone left to actually carry the loads ■■?

Well said Stanley. Memo to Truckless .Stan,s yer Man. There speaks the kind of guy who I would like to see,being given the opportunity to put his point of view, to the General Public, via your proposed programme. My apologies to Jobe. Your another who should be given a platform.

My only worry, will there be anyone left to actually carry the loads ■■?

Willie Betz/ND and a host of others, doubtful to be English though.

The important thing we want from truckless is photo’s of Carrie Gracie wearing not much more than skin and her glasses :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

brados:

My only worry, will there be anyone left to actually carry the loads ■■?

Willie Betz/ND and a host of others, doubtful to be English though.

The important thing we want from truckless is photo’s of Carrie Gracie wearing not much more than skin and her glasses :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

Spot on,

Both of these have risen in the last 30 years, with support from their respective governments, BOTH buy their respective truck manufacturing product in huge quantities, both do not have our banks or government baying for blood.

Is it any coincidence that these have both been busy setting up UK operations over the last few years, ready for the MELTDOWN [as the song goes], they will be the ones to carry out the transport, that`s what worries me.

They are well run, well managed [i think / apparently]with good kit, WHY can`t we do it on our own turf ■■?

Gormless Gordon as the head of our government has a lot to answer for.

In theory, Eddie Stobart is in their league, but, what happens if their parent company gets taken over, and / or Andrew Tinkler + William Stobart get cold feet, and retire to warmer climates.

WB + ND are their own holding companies, no fear regarding a change of mind at the top, unlike UKPLC., cast your mind back to TDG Plc., this was a very cash rich / asset rich business, but, a change at the top, with a new trendy idea, went about wrecking the whole show IMHO.

They have now got taken over by a “hedge fund”, with an eye on their property portfolio, never mind what the press office @ TDG says about the “potential” for UK Logistics.

Great idea but have to agree that unless it is a series of one hour specials I don’t think it will help, the Government don’t appear to giva a toss! Maybe we should ask Jezza to appear as he has tried to drive a rig and has a voice the Country may listen too. I have been looking for a f/t job for months now and have survived on the paltry offerings from the agency. Tommorow I have a interview for a f/t job but the wages will be low and I ask myself time and time again WHY DID I BOTHER doing my c2 and c1■■?

It cost a lot to do £3000 and the benefits of doing it are now non existant!!!

Get Jezza to be the person doing the interviews then if nothing else we might have a good laugh!! :laughing: :laughing:

yea i agree with some of the things said here,

you cant just do a snapshot of the haulage industry in one area of britain, everywhere different so focus on one area with snippets of scotland north and south of england aswella s wales.

also jezza would be a good person to host it, put it on the news aswell as an hour long special of top gear but have like the 3 of them doing there usual thinsg while showing what happens when u cut somebody up/get in the way and basically just educate the british public because most car instructors (i say most because some have hgv licences) dont teach folk the dangers of trucks etc, i never got it and only passed 6 years ago.

Thanks for taking an interest in our plight, dont forget to mention that along with the huge number of redundancies the rate for driving a lorry has gone right down. Some class1 (articulated) jobs have been advertised at the minimum wage!

Good point Lankytim. That Hoyer dispute with the 40k a year being bandied about was hardly representative of most drivers wages, but I bet Joe Public will think that is the norm.

Shunting 40+ ton around for £6.50 an hour is an inadequate recompense for the professionalism that most of us would hope to attain, but then given the competiton from abroad and the current round of rate-cutting, is far too common.

As I said on another forum I belong to, find me another industry, bar the services, where death and injury feature regularly in topics.

We are doing what we can to illustrate the plight but you lot are extremely reluctant to appear on camera.
Still really need someone with experience who has had a cut back in hours/ made redundant/ lost pay etc
And even some of the firms we have talked to who have said how bad it is wont go on camera - which means we cant show the public what is happening.
Reporter Mark will be at Truckfest on Monday so could interview someone there if you come from any part of the country and want to say how badly you have been affected.
We will be running this on Breakfast News next Thursday 7th but it wont be as good if people dont talk!
Thanks

I know you said Northampton but if willing to do Leicester than I MAY have a large punter for you

Truckless:
We are doing what we can to illustrate the plight but you lot are extremely reluctant to appear on camera.
Still really need someone with experience who has had a cut back in hours/ made redundant/ lost pay etc
And even some of the firms we have talked to who have said how bad it is wont go on camera - which means we cant show the public what is happening.
Reporter Mark will be at Truckfest on Monday so could interview someone there if you come from any part of the country and want to say how badly you have been affected.
We will be running this on Breakfast News next Thursday 7th but it wont be as good if people dont talk!
Thanks

Its more of a case of not being seen to be “weak”, you never know who is / will be watching, you have only got to come across as being up a creak with no paddle, and the flood gates will open, i.e. ; Bank manager gets twitchy bum, Mr Big Customer thinks your going down, fuel companies take no persuading to pull plugs, drivers start gossipping like old wives, VOSA think your skint and start an investigation [just because they can], suppliers get nervous, finance companies get skitzo, its a difficult one, if your a haulier :open_mouth:

Do I miss it ?, NO WAY JOSE :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

I can now fill someone else`s tank with 500 litres, and not feel ill :open_mouth:

I would appear on camera BUT you are doing this down south somewhere as I live in Blackpool LANCS and don’t have the luxury of a f/t job’s wages I am unable to put the fuel inn the car to drive to you, also I feel this is a little excessive in terms of mileage and I feel that this could just turn into a rushed piece of filming BUT all that said I do wish you luck and thank you for attempting to highlight our plight…Yours Mad Dan a seriously skint, P’d off and totally Un Motivated Steering wheel attendant…

THIS is a problem specific to our industry. the government tell us when to stop but dont provide us with places to park up and this is the result. the allowed VOSA the power to stop which is what led to this particular case. fake police cars and officers are also a worry for us. if you want to do us a favour then highlight the problems that we have as a consequence of the closure of secure truck stops and lack of security anywhere else. drivers being kidnapped, beaten up, threatened with knives and guns are all part the criminal element that we face yet none of it is reported because of better stories like gordon brown visiting washington or a chef not making it in to work one day. specifying the type of person you want to interview to highlight an issue that is not affecting only our industry is not going to do us any favours and it is not going to turn into a news story. 2,700 workers from one company losing their jobs is news, 2,700 truck drivers looking for work across the UK is not news. if you want our help, show some integrity. the media has to prove itself if it wants our time. we have seen interviews cut from reports before thanks to someone more interesting making themselves available so lack of trust from drivers is justified!
just to show that this case is NOT a one off, here are some more!
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It’s not a case of being reluctant to go camera Truckless old boy, but all of us on here have seen what you BBC college boy’s think of truckers and trucks in the blatant misreporting of any incident involving the truck industry. out come pictures of sheds and fat driver’s, the words juggernaught and unroadworthy trucks are bandid about, the BBC are no longer trusted, it’s just another branch of the University Mafia that’s doing so much damage to the Country.

i think aswell as the poeple who have now found themselves out of work after god knows how long they should also get the views from younger drivers like me and garner just to show how hard it is these days to even get a job driving.

Blunder Man:
It’s not a case of being reluctant to go camera Truckless old boy, but all of us on here have seen what you BBC college boy’s think of truckers and trucks in the blatant misreporting of any incident involving the truck industry. out come pictures of sheds and fat driver’s, the words juggernaught and unroadworthy trucks are bandid about, the BBC are no longer trusted, it’s just another branch of the University Mafia that’s doing so much damage to the Country.

Could`nt put it better myself :open_mouth: :laughing:

Don`t take it personally “Truckless”, but, this is about as word perfect, regarding the country as a whole, thanks to New Labour / Tony Bliar / Gordon Bottler, as one could write.

It is true we have had problems in the past, with a “Slant” being put on information that the media has gleaned from here - However, having spoken at length to Truckless I dont think this is going to be a thundering juggernaut through our streets story.

She seems to be genuinely looking at how the industry is hurting at the moment, and at the lack of any sort of help from the Government.

At the end of the day if we as members of this industry that is struggling dont speak up and at least try to get our problems aired to the wider audience, who is going to publicise the industries plight?

I think if the questions start going down the “Do you break the law” line or the “cowboy trucker” stereotyping most people will give a few well chosen short sharp answers that probably couldnt be aired until after the watershed. :bulb:

Rikki-UK:
It is true we have had problems in the past, with a “Slant” being put on information that the media has gleaned from here - However, having spoken at length to Truckless I dont think this is going to be a thundering juggernaut through our streets story.

She seems to be genuinely looking at how the industry is hurting at the moment, and at the lack of any sort of help from the Government.

At the end of the day if we as members of this industry that is struggling dont speak up and at least try to get our problems aired to the wider audience, who is going to publicise the industries plight?

I think if the questions start going down the “Do you break the law” line or the “cowboy trucker” stereotyping most people will give a few well chosen short sharp answers that probably couldnt be aired until after the watershed. :bulb:

thing is she wants experienced people so newbies like me (even though ive been doing it for nearly 2 years) our views are seemingly pointless to her, yes it may be hard for an experienced person but what about the folk trying to get the experience?

shes going on too narrow a point with what she wants, experienced guys in the felixstowe area?

what is the rest of the country fine

Truckless:
Sorry Garnerlives, glad you passed but we really need experienced people who suddenly have found themselves in a situation they have not been in before.
We can get to people in the eastern region but picked Northampton or maybe Peterborough area because it comes under the Midlands hub and seems to be fairly central.
Also interested in other parts of the region.
It is likely to be Thursday 7th so maybe we can interview some of you “live” on tv from the truckstop near Felixstowe. I will let you know the times.
Its a straightforward news story tying in with figures which show what has happened to your industry.
Thanks

Its not the drivers who are out there on the road working you want to be interviewing, its those sat at home without work!

Seems to me to be an ideal opportunity for Rikki to act as spokesman for the industry. Being well informed as to whats going on at all levels, as you are, you should seize the chance to speak on our behalfs. It would certainly be more than the FTA and RHA have ever done.

Truckless, May I ask…

What difference will it make?

What good will it do?

It will just be another bad news story about the ‘credit crunch’ and recession. I would support this venture if it was in any way to bring a positive outcome to our dire situation, but it cannot. So why air our dirty washing in public? Everyone else is suffering the effects too. What makes us different?

No one is benefiting from this situation. Apart from the media that is. Any slow news day has an abundance of material on hand for broadcast about the ‘recession’ and the credit crunch.