Regardless of wether the driver was from the same company or not, surely an offence would be committed with the tacho. IE driving on somebody elses chart/card.
Surely the drivers company would HAVE to see this as an infringement or offence, otherwise they would commit an offence by permitting it.
Also at a guess , if the company whose loading bay it was on and who were in charge of the keys would also possibly be in trouble if they have their own op. licence.
Granted all the above is taking it to the limit, but I would have kicked off if someone from my own employer had moved my vehicle whilst I wasn’t there,
Certainly we don’t in our yard. If a vehicle needs moving we find the driver, even if the keys are in it.
yorkshireborn:
Dunno then?:
limeyphil:
that is theft.““Theft” is to permanently deprive the owner of”
The truck was simply moved.
it comes under TWOC, taking without owners consent.
you got it in one but it would not stand in court as his mate works for the same firm so there for has permission in the eyes of the law but on the other hand if he didn’t work for the same firm then happy days he can be done for TWOC because he did not give that bloke permission to move it and you will also have an issue about insurance, the list can go on
Bedgar - That’s what I meant, and precisely why I understood him being ■■■■■■ off about the doors being wide open at the back. The rest of the point was just about the moving it bit, if that makes a bit more sense?
Del - Just make a note on the back of your card/printout to say someone else moved it. Exactly the same as with a test drive by a fitter after a callout. “Vehicle moved in driver’s absence by yard shunter/fitter” will do the trick, and has never been questioned when I’ve done it in the past.
Lucy, yes that would cover the driver concerned but it is a lie!
As I said the points I raised were extreme nit picking but the law is the law.
If the second driver has to move the vehicle then he should insert his chart/ card and record the movement.
Assuming that you are not an owner/driver ,just simply an employee then the only responsibility you have is to report the incident to the vehicles operator.It is for them to decide how to deal with this matter not you.As regards Tachograph infringements,particularly if it was left on break then all you can reasonably do is to note it on the back of a chart or printout.
What a lot of fuss about nothing. So what if it was moved, no damage done, nothing missing and as regards the tacho I would rather someone moved it a short distance on my card than having to mess around making manual entries. No one will ever know it wasn’t ady1 who moved the vehicle, you certainley can’t tell from the info in the VDU. It hasn’t affected his driving time because if the other guy hadn’t moved it then ady1 would have had to, and used the same amount of time. If it has interrupted a break just start over, it will cost maybe 14 minutes or worst ways 29 minutes, big deal he’s going to be there for a while until his other 5 pallets are ready anyway so probably cost no time at all.
Start knocking drivers out or kicking off and calling the police and next thing you know drivers will not be allowed to wander off and have a coffee because they will have to be available at a moments notice to move their vehicle if required. Then there will be posts complaining about how this place are treating drivers and how they used to let you go for refreshments but have put a stop to it. 
Imagine the other way round and you couldn’t get loaded because a truck was blocking the bay you required and the driver had disappeared, that would be a whole new whinge on here. Who knows, there may even be suggestions to knock the driver out when he reappears because he has made you wait, better duck ady. 
ady1:
‘…mate says there a bloke in your truck…’
That’s on par with finding a mate fiddling with the bird’s undercrackers from her laundry basket: It aint exactly cricket …but is a ■■■■ fine reason to get rattled, etc
i think this is a fuss over nothing and wouldnt bother me at all.
i tend to think that the number of drivers who steal something out of your cab in this situation is 0.0000002%. also with it being another driver from the same company its not really a problem that would worry me.
ive been in the same situation that lucy mentions in queues at the docks and other places and ive asked the drivers behind if they move my truck forwards for me while i wander off somewhere.
In many chemical works or oil refineries you are not even allowed to remove the keys from the truck in case it has to be moved, but there isn’t any increases in theft from cabs by drivers
Lucy, yes that would cover the driver concerned but it is a lie!
How is it a lie if you put “Vehicle moved in driver’s absence” ? The specific example of yard shunter or fitter above was just that, an example.
when i 1st read the post i thought it was a random driver from another firm
from same firm then i dont see the big fuss
its a lie if you write what you first suggested. i.e. that a shunter has moved it, when in fact it was another driver already on a chart/card.
I’ll admit that as far as the first driver is concerned this will cover him in the event of him being pullled but it doesn’t affect the honesty of the statement.
Does a yard shunter has to record his driving time?
I thought that nowadays even "off road driving has to be recorded, but note that our yard shunter doesn’t have a tacho in the tug but if I am in the yard shunting with a normal trctor then I have fill in a tacho/card etc.
I’ll grant that at this stage we’re down to very petty discussions on the subject and have largely drifted off the original question but thats what a forum is for 
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del949:
I’ll admit that as far as the first driver is concerned this will cover him in the event of him being pullled
Cover him for what? Nothing is going to show as an infringement in a check, they can’t look at the data and say - “Ah ha gotcha, this wasn’t you driving for these 3 minutes right here.”
To be honest i’d be more angry if i was away getting something to eat, and was called up to maybe walk 10mins to go move a truck off a bay when there is a driver from the same company and the keys are there who could have moved it for me.
Its nuts people go on about how H&S and other restrictions are so bad and have ruined this industry, but then start talking about knocking people out or calling the police because someone from their company moved a “company” (just cause you drive it everyday doesent mean you own it) vehicle.
Only time i’d have a problem would be if they crashed the truck, even then its not my problem its the drivers problem because id be taking their truck for the rest of the day while they waited to get it fixed or they went into the cab and covered the seat or steering wheel in grease.
Calling the police, what are they going to do, call up the owner of the vehicle ask if the other driver from the company is allowed to drive the vehicle and is insured, the owner says yes, police angry cause you have wasted their time and your the laughing stock of the company and the place your visiting, look like a complete fool. Your boss prob not gonna be that happy either.
Knocking someone out, thats a great way to end up on the dole and possibly end up getting charged by the police.
Suppose you could always call VOSA and grass the other driver up for driving with a tachograph with someone elses name on it, good luck with that, braver man than me.
Cover him for what? Nothing is going to show as an infringement in a check, they can’t look at the data and say - “Ah ha gotcha, this wasn’t you driving for these 3 minutes right here.”
Point taken, I was (for the purpose of the disussion) assuming he was on break, or at least in a situation where a few minutes driving could have an effect.
Perhaps I could have made my point clearer 
del949:
Cover him for what? Nothing is going to show as an infringement in a check, they can’t look at the data and say - “Ah ha gotcha, this wasn’t you driving for these 3 minutes right here.”
Point taken, I was (for the purpose of the disussion) assuming he was on break, or at least in a situation where a few minutes driving could have an effect.
Not really going to be in issue, at worst he loses 29 minutes but might only be 14 and he was going to be there a while anyway as his 5 pallets weren’t ready so probably won’t lose any time.
If I had just taken a bite out of a roll and sausage and I heard my truck had to be moved, I would have been so delighted that another driver moved it I would have thanked him with a thread entitled there’s still some knights around when you need one cheers. 
aranger:
If I had just taken a bite out of a roll and sausage and I heard my truck had to be moved, I would have been so delighted that another driver moved it I would have thanked him with a thread entitled there’s still some knights around when you need one cheers.
Would that be before or after you knocked him out and called the police over bogus claims of theft?
i would move a truck from our company if i knew the driver, id even pop it back on the bay for him when i was finished loading mine.
but then we dont have tachos over here
jessicas dad:
i think this is a fuss over nothing and wouldnt bother me at all.
with it being another driver from the same company its not really a problem that would worry me.
agreed. had it been a customers premises and one of their drivers then it would be different but if its one of your own lads then no big deal although it would have been nice if someone had told you that your truck had been moved. that would have ■■■■■■ me off more than the truck being moved