Tramper:
YESYOU CAN DRIVE A TRACTOR UNIT ON A CLASS C LICENCE
correct. without a trailer it is classed as a rigid regardless of the fifth wheel.
conversley if you happen to come across one that ways less than 7.5 tons you can then drive it on a C1 licence. you probably wont find one of them though
I believe there are two certain things in life. Taxes and Death
I also believe that this is a very important piece of text in this situation. It may seem strange to have a length and a gross weight, but that is what is wrote.
Category C:
category C vehicles with a maximum authorized mass of at least 10 000 kilograms and a length of at least 7 metres, capable of a speed of at least 80 km/h;
Category C+E
either articulated vehicles with a maximum authorized mass of at least 18 000 kg and a length of at least 12 metres, capable of a speed of at least 80 km/h; or combinations, made up of a category C test vehicle and a trailer at least 4 metres in length, with a maximum authorized mass of at least 18 000 kilograms and a langth of at least 12 metres, capable of a speed of at least 80 km/h;
So in my world. I think that you can only drive an artic unit on a cat C licence if it exceeds 22 feet and 10 inches, can maintain a speed of at least 80km and has a gross weight (MAM) of at least 10,000kg.
That would rule out taking a test on a JCB fastrac and without measuring a unit, would rule out most units I think.
Are these quotes for vehicles that trainees take tests in or for driving once the licence is gained
Tramper:
YESYOU CAN DRIVE A TRACTOR UNIT ON A CLASS C LICENCE
correct. without a trailer it is classed as a rigid regardless of the fifth wheel.
conversley if you happen to come across one that ways less than 7.5 tons you can then drive it on a C1 licence. you probably wont find one of them though
I believe there are two certain things in life. Taxes and Death
I also believe that this is a very important piece of text in this situation. It may seem strange to have a length and a gross weight, but that is what is wrote.
Category C:
category C vehicles with a maximum authorized mass of at least 10 000 kilograms and a length of at least 7 metres, capable of a speed of at least 80 km/h;
Category C+E
either articulated vehicles with a maximum authorized mass of at least 18 000 kg and a length of at least 12 metres, capable of a speed of at least 80 km/h; or combinations, made up of a category C test vehicle and a trailer at least 4 metres in length, with a maximum authorized mass of at least 18 000 kilograms and a langth of at least 12 metres, capable of a speed of at least 80 km/h;
So in my world. I think that you can only drive an artic unit on a cat C licence if it exceeds 22 feet and 10 inches, can maintain a speed of at least 80km and has a gross weight (MAM) of at least 10,000kg.
That would rule out taking a test on a JCB fastrac and without measuring a unit, would rule out most units I think.
Are these quotes for vehicles that trainees take tests in or for driving once the licence is gained
Yes Rog, they come from this EU document (91/439/EEC) and I believe they are the specifications for trainees but as there is no other documents in the frame at the moment. I believe it could be important.
scanny77:
conversley if you happen to come across one that ways less than 7.5 tons you can then drive it on a C1 licence. you probably wont find one of them though
There are plenty of tractor units that weigh less than 7.5tonnes (all but the biggest 4x2 units do as well as some of the lightest 6x2 ones) but itâs not the actual weight that matters, itâs the PLATED weight and youâll do well to find a ânormalâ tractor unit plated at 7.5tonnes or less.
peteandbrenda:
i think you can only if the fifth wheel is removed otherwise NO
This is a common myth and as most others have said on this thread is completely false. Without a trailer a unit is simply a rigid goods vehicle and you can perfectly legally drive it on a category C entitlement.
I wonder if the people who claim the 5th wheel has to be removed to make it legal on the basis of it needing to be incapable of towing a trailer also insist on the coupling being removed from a rigid set up to tow a drag trailer before they will drive it?
ROG:
Are these quotes for vehicles that trainees take tests in or for driving once the licence is gained
Wheel Nut:
Yes Rog, they come from this EU document (91/439/EEC) and I believe they are the specifications for trainees but as there is no other documents in the frame at the moment. I believe it could be important.
The DSA has spec on what the min and max are for each catagory of LGV test vehicle.
Tramper:
Jesus Christ!!!
Are you all mental!!!
A tractor unit, whether it is a 4x2 or a 6x2 or any other configuration, is a rigid Large Goods Vehicle. Therefore you will require a Class C licence to drive it.
This changes when yopu attach a trailer, as it becomes a Large Goods Vehicle towing a trailer then you need a C+E.
There used to be a requirement to make a tractor unit an incomplete vehicle by disabling the fifth wheel, but this requirement was removed some time ago.
So the answer is YESYOU CAN DRIVE A TRACTOR UNIT ON A CLASS C LICENCEâŚand breatheâŚ
Is the right answer.
Could the next person to start this same thread yet again please give it the title âGroundhog Dayâ?
peteandbrenda:
i think you can only if the fifth wheel is removed otherwise NO
This is a common myth and as most others have said on this thread is completely false. Without a trailer a unit is simply a rigid goods vehicle and you can perfectly legally drive it on a category C entitlement.
I wonder if the people who claim the 5th wheel has to be removed to make it legal on the basis of it needing to be incapable of towing a trailer also insist on the coupling being removed from a rigid set up to tow a drag trailer before they will drive it?
Paul
It goes back to when vehicles could be delivered without a 5th wheel on a car license, untill someone realised that they were probably still plated at least 16.60t . This was stopped a number of years ago, meaning a lot of truck reps had to take their tests
Mr B:
iâve driven a tracter on a class 11 before. I think itâs entirely down to how the courts interpret the regulations. i donât know if its ever been tried in court.
That is probably the most sensible post of the day
Mr B:
iâve driven a tracter on a class 11 before. I think itâs entirely down to how the courts interpret the regulations. i donât know if its ever been tried in court.
That is probably the most sensible post of the day
I donât think there will be a need to try it in court.
VOSA, DVLA & DSA accept that this can be done and all are all executive agencies of the DfT which is the Government and the Govt make the laws.
ROG:
PS - Iâm used to using the newer catagories cos I have to for my job - when I can get one
Bah! go on agency for a bit and do some real trucking, you know you want to
I wish - but the old back wonât take it anymore - opening a curtainsider will pull it and put me out of action for days, sometimes pulling the fifth wheel handle will do the same but the âdrivingâ bit is OK - know anyone who wants a âsteering wheel attendantâ
