jakethesnake:
Although I know nothing about fridges from what I can deduce is that some don’t like being told they are wrong. They have been doing it a certain way for years and it worked so it must be right.
Nobody can tell them how to suggest a better way or how to improve. Seen it now and then when training older experienced drivers.
It can be a typical human trait with some and is blatantly obvious with bad driving also. Been doing it for years, never has an accident so I must be good. Then one day it all goes wrong.
Some seem to learn the hard way.
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heres a concept for you to consider.
what if you/tramp are wrong and spouting pish regarding the operations of fridge trailers in road haulage and also regarding all the correct ways to drive,with everyone else that constantly contradicts being right??
if its only you that is correct and everyone else is wrong,then possibly the laws of average might be influential as to who is correct,and who is talking mince?
jakethesnake:
Although I know nothing about fridges from what I can deduce is that some don’t like being told they are wrong. They have been doing it a certain way for years and it worked so it must be right.
Nobody can tell them how to suggest a better way or how to improve. Seen it now and then when training older experienced drivers.
It can be a typical human trait with some and is blatantly obvious with bad driving also. Been doing it for years, never has an accident so I must be good. Then one day it all goes wrong.
Some seem to learn the hard way.
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heres a concept for you to consider.
what if you/tramp are wrong and spouting pish regarding the operations of fridge trailers in road haulage and also regarding all the correct ways to drive,with everyone else that constantly contradicts being right??
if its only you that is correct and everyone else is wrong,then possibly the laws of average might be influential as to who is correct,and who is talking mince?
Let’s be fair. If someone posts enough then some of what they say must be right, surely?
Even I might be correct occasionally.
Lots of trouble separating that out from the nonsense though.
Lots of trouble separating that out from the nonsense though.
As I always say, you can either take the advice or don’t, it is up to you to find the answers. This could hardly be classed as official training and put onto your CPC as a module from here, it should be though in my case of delivering anything on refrigeration. However here is the BIG difference with me telling you something compared with your average harry telling you something. I have the credentials and qualifications with regards refrigeration. Also anything I say can be verified by yourself via your search engine and somewhere you will find that what I say will be correct, as you have found. Now whilst it is true that any of us could be wrong about anything, when it comes to refrigeration I can assure you this would be so rare that you could dismiss that theory.
I could use different terminology to help and make things more understandable, this is not a lack of knowledge on my part. Obviously when I physically work on the mechanics of refrigeration systems to undertake repairs, then a matter of judgement and trial an error is involved. When it comes down to the theory of refrigeration, well that is set in stone and the laws of physics takes over. I deal on a daily basis with both the mechanics and the physics and have done for over 40 years, you could say that my pedigree is probably higher than your average joe. It will not affect me in the very slightest whether or not anyone listens to me on here, if you do take note, then you will learn something and become a better informed fridge driver than what I see in fridge drivers.
dieseldog999:
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heres a concept for you to consider.
what if you/tramp are wrong and spouting pish regarding the operations of fridge trailers in road haulage and also regarding all the correct ways to drive,with everyone else that constantly contradicts being right??
if its only you that is correct and everyone else is wrong,then possibly the laws of average might be influential as to who is correct,and who is talking mince?
Here is another concept for you to consider, what if you are in a room full of idiots, there is only one person in that room that is right, does that make the idiots right? Type of logic thinking that makes more idiots and the type of fridge drivers that exist today. It’s like Jake said, some learn the hard way.
dieseldog999:
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heres a concept for you to consider.
what if you/tramp are wrong and spouting pish regarding the operations of fridge trailers in road haulage and also regarding all the correct ways to drive,with everyone else that constantly contradicts being right??
if its only you that is correct and everyone else is wrong,then possibly the laws of average might be influential as to who is correct,and who is talking mince?
Here is another concept for you to consider, what if you are in a room full of idiots, there is only one person in that room that is right, does that make the idiots right? Type of logic thinking that makes more idiots and the type of fridge drivers that exist today. It’s like Jake said, some learn the hard way.
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and another predictable talking out of your jacksie reply…
what happened to this segment from your other waffling post??
Now I am going to pop you on ignore as I find you the lowest of the low,
do all of us a favour and practise what you preach,though at the same time,it is somewhat amusing in a sad pathetic way skimming over the mice you/jake posts.
stobarts constantly blow their own trumpet of self importance and gratification so that eventually some spotters seem to be under the illusion that they are better than the rest somewhat similary to the same antics of yourself/jake.
the difference is that it dont work on here as those with experience just shake their head in pity when they read your offerings…but batter on with your usual last word for the sake of it…or dont,as you wont be able to read this with me being on your ignore list??
over to wingman jake possibly??
dieseldog999:
… the difference is that it dont work on here as those with experience just shake their head in pity when they read your offerings…
If UKT’s offerings have the effect of making people shake their head in pity, then why don’t “those with experience” simply scroll past whatever they don’t like?
dieseldog999:
… the difference is that it dont work on here as those with experience just shake their head in pity when they read your offerings…
If UKT’s offerings have the effect of making people shake their head in pity, then why don’t “those with experience” simply scroll past whatever they don’t like?
Now that’s a great idea but it does not suit the agenda of a certain few. They very rarely offer any decent discussion but seem desperate to prove anyone wrong no matter what they say depending on the username rather than the content. It’s really quite sad and pathetic.
dieseldog999:
… the difference is that it dont work on here as those with experience just shake their head in pity when they read your offerings…
If UKT’s offerings have the effect of making people shake their head in pity, then why don’t “those with experience” simply scroll past whatever they don’t like?
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uk/jakes offerings certainly make me shake my head in sympathetic pity for the posts,but theres quite a lot on here that have similar opinions to myself in relation to them, and on the basis that they dont scroll past,then why should i?
tell it to tramp as yesterday the big statement was that i was going on his ignore list.
that lasted till today when he couldnt help himself by un ignoring me to rattle on again.
I wish some one had told me that all the years I was on fridge work it was so technical. What I do remember very clearly from the Guy who showed me how to turn on the fridge, how to turn off the fridge, how to set the temperature, how to fill the fuel tank. ( Frigoscandia for those who remember that far back ). That actually it was as much common sense and a bit of operational experience.
The rest of the rocket science that some are talking about is as useful as a ■■■■ in a space suite.
fonzi:
I wish some one had told me that all the years I was on fridge work it was so technical. What I do remember very clearly from the Guy who showed me how to turn on the fridge, how to turn off the fridge, how to set the temperature, how to fill the fuel tank. ( Frigoscandia for those who remember that far back ). That actually it was as much common sense and a bit of operational experience.
The rest of the rocket science that some are talking about is as useful as a ■■■■ in a space suite.
As far as a driver needs to know, the physics are pointless and have no benefit I agree, however I unfortunately do need and use the mass calculations and science in order to do my job. It is the drivers who are driving fridges today that should and need training on the various aspects of food hygiene, the correct use of the reefer and what problems may be encountered and how to deal with those problems when they arise. A new driver to reefers probably never receives such instruction and does the job for years picking up bad habits from other drivers along the way. Thinking that it must be ok and the right thing to do because he doesn’t know any better. In the same way you get good drivers and bad drivers, the bad drivers stay bad because they don’t know any different.
All boils down to training and standards. Driving is such an easy job to do good or bad, luckily reefers nowadays are pretty much forgiving to bad habits and the problems that untrained operators introduce without even knowing. I get to analyse temp graphs quite regularly from reefers and I can immediately spot the difference on the graphs of an untrained reefer driver to an experienced and knowledgeable driver. A good driver doesn’t introduce problems that a bad driver does.
fonzi:
I wish some one had told me that all the years I was on fridge work it was so technical. What I do remember very clearly from the Guy who showed me how to turn on the fridge, how to turn off the fridge, how to set the temperature, how to fill the fuel tank. ( Frigoscandia for those who remember that far back ). That actually it was as much common sense and a bit of operational experience.
The rest of the rocket science that some are talking about is as useful as a ■■■■ in a space suite.
As far as a driver needs to know, the physics are pointless and have no benefit I agree, however I unfortunately do need and use the mass calculations and science in order to do my job. It is the drivers who are driving fridges today that should and need training on the various aspects of food hygiene, the correct use of the reefer and what problems may be encountered and how to deal with those problems when they arise. A new driver to reefers probably never receives such instruction and does the job for years picking up bad habits from other drivers along the way. Thinking that it must be ok and the right thing to do because he doesn’t know any better. In the same way you get good drivers and bad drivers, the bad drivers stay bad because they don’t know any different.
All boils down to training and standards. Driving is such an easy job to do good or bad, luckily reefers nowadays are pretty much forgiving to bad habits and the problems that untrained operators introduce without even knowing. I get to analyse temp graphs quite regularly from reefers and I can immediately spot the difference on the graphs of an untrained reefer driver to an experienced and knowledgeable driver. A good driver doesn’t introduce problems that a bad driver does.
This is really from someone who does not have a clue
The only training that’s needed in this day and age is switching it on and putting it at the correct temperature and switching it off
Any decent company has the fridge under there control on any journey no matter how far you are going includes Europe
fonzi:
I wish some one had told me that all the years I was on fridge work it was so technical. What I do remember very clearly from the Guy who showed me how to turn on the fridge, how to turn off the fridge, how to set the temperature, how to fill the fuel tank. ( Frigoscandia for those who remember that far back ). That actually it was as much common sense and a bit of operational experience.
The rest of the rocket science that some are talking about is as useful as a ■■■■ in a space suite.
As far as a driver needs to know, the physics are pointless and have no benefit I agree, however I unfortunately do need and use the mass calculations and science in order to do my job. It is the drivers who are driving fridges today that should and need training on the various aspects of food hygiene, the correct use of the reefer and what problems may be encountered and how to deal with those problems when they arise. A new driver to reefers probably never receives such instruction and does the job for years picking up bad habits from other drivers along the way. Thinking that it must be ok and the right thing to do because he doesn’t know any better. In the same way you get good drivers and bad drivers, the bad drivers stay bad because they don’t know any different.
All boils down to training and standards. Driving is such an easy job to do good or bad, luckily reefers nowadays are pretty much forgiving to bad habits and the problems that untrained operators introduce without even knowing. I get to analyse temp graphs quite regularly from reefers and I can immediately spot the difference on the graphs of an untrained reefer driver to an experienced and knowledgeable driver. A good driver doesn’t introduce problems that a bad driver does.
This is really from someone who does not have a clue
The only training that’s needed in this day and age is switching it on and putting it at the correct temperature and switching it off
Any decent company has the fridge under there control on any journey no matter how far you are going includes Europe
Doesn’t really sound like I haven’t a clue now does it. You’re reply says it all and is the attitude of many, many fridge drivers. I don’t need training, I know it all. Although I have never actually been trained. I rest my case.
This is really from someone who does not have a clue
The only training that’s needed in this day and age is switching it on and putting it at the correct temperature and switching it off
Any decent company has the fridge under there control on any journey no matter how far you are going includes Europe
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that just sums it up nicely as he obviously hasnt a clue other than google is my friend.
good fridge driver.
set fridge to temp you have been told to,check temps,report anything wrong and pass the buck.
bad fridge driver
set fridge to temp you have been told to,check temps,report anything wrong and pass the buck.
download the settings from both journeys and have 2 identical readings,hence just more waffling pish from fridge jesus.
the only difference would be that an experienced driver might suggest a plan of action to the traffic office so they can either tell him to try it or not,i.e. if its not going down to temp quick enouth ( or at all) on a scrap trailer,then try a couple of defrosts back to back and see if it helps or not as sometimes it does which lets you get out of the gate and worry about it later.
no doubt all of us who have been doing the job for years are all wrong and fridge jesus is correct as we keep getting told thats the case…
dieseldog999:
This is really from someone who does not have a clue
The only training that’s needed in this day and age is switching it on and putting it at the correct temperature and switching it off
Any decent company has the fridge under there control on any journey no matter how far you are going includes Europe
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+1
that just sums it up nicely as he obviously hasnt a clue other than google is my friend.
good fridge driver.
set fridge to temp you have been told to,check temps,report anything wrong and pass the buck.
bad fridge driver
set fridge to temp you have been told to,check temps,report anything wrong and pass the buck.
download the settings from both journeys and have 2 identical readings,hence just more waffling pish from fridge jesus
the only difference would be that an experienced driver might suggest a plan of action to the traffic office so they can either tell him to try it or not,i.e. if its not going down to temp quick enouth ( or at all) on a scrap trailer,then try a couple of defrosts back to back and see if it helps or not as sometimes it does which lets you get out of the gate and worry about it later.
no doubt all of us who have been doing the job for years are all wrong and fridge jesus is correct as we keep getting told thats the case…
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Exactly what I was saying in my post. The Guy that showed me how to operate the reefer, was explicit in his instructions. Check the oil & water& fuel. Turn the key. ( Yes we had a key back then) and start the engine. Set the running temperature as per the CMR. Check the running temperature regularly during the trip. If you have any problems, that you cannot fix. Then use this booklet containing all of the Engineers across Europe and let the Experts fix it. EASY.
And as I have said in my other post, all the rest of MR Fridge’s advice is about as useful as a ■■■■ in a space suit. So my advice to MR Fridge is you continue to fix’em and leave the important part to the Drivers using them. And stop telling me how to ■■■■ eggs.
Attitude attitude attitude and not much of it is good. I don’t think anybody is saying that all drivers are doing it wrong but some clearly need more training or refreshed.
The majority of training including driving is basic training, the minimum a persons needs to know to operate whatever. As we all know (or should realise) some people
learn and remember more than others. Some just don’t listen and some don’t have the ability to take it all in. Of course we can also have a poor trainer who forgets an important point or two or does not have the ability transfer knowledge concisely.
So as with all the bad driving partly due to some of the above we also have drivers who operate fridges etc not exactly the way they should and when something unexpected happens they don’t have a clue.These drivers may be in the minority but they definitely exist but they all think they know it all just like on the road and what a shambles that is most days. Says it all.
jakethesnake:
Attitude attitude attitude and not much of it is good. I don’t think anybody is saying that all drivers are doing it wrong but some clearly need more training or refreshed.
The majority of training including driving is basic training, the minimum a persons needs to know to operate whatever. As we all know (or should realise) some people
learn and remember more than others. Some just don’t listen and some don’t have the ability to take it all in. Of course we can also have a poor trainer who forgets an important point or two or does not have the ability transfer knowledge concisely.
So as with all the bad driving partly due to some of the above we also have drivers who operate fridges etc not exactly the way they should and when something unexpected happens they don’t have a clue.These drivers may be in the minority but they definitely exist but they all think they know it all just like on the road and what a shambles that is most days. Says it all.
Of course everyone has the right to an opinion. And I would also agree that in fact we should never stop learning. But it ■■■■■ when one person tries to shout over the top of everybody else, with egotistical shouts and claims about their supposed knowledge.
If they want to give advice, then being condescending to others is clearly not the way forward.
fonzi:
use this booklet containing all of the Engineers across Europe and let the Experts fix it. EASY.
And as I have said in my other post, all the rest of MR Fridge’s advice is about as useful as a ■■■■ in a space suit. So my advice to MR Fridge is you continue to fix’em and leave the important part to the Drivers using them. And stop telling me how to ■■■■ eggs.
Bit contradictory isn’t it? Let the experts fix it, but leave the important part to the drivers using them, I don’t think that you as a driver rank too highly in as the important factor here. Know you’re place in life son and hop in that cab and earn your minimum wage, when you return give it a clean and make sure you buy you’re own cleaning materials too. Keep sucking the diesel more than necessary it’s not you who is paying for it or you who pays the repairs when parts wear out prematurely through bad procedures you have taught yourself. As captain mannering said, stupid boy.
jakethesnake:
Attitude attitude attitude and not much of it is good. I don’t think anybody is saying that all drivers are doing it wrong but some clearly need more training or refreshed.
The majority of training including driving is basic training, the minimum a persons needs to know to operate whatever. As we all know (or should realise) some people
learn and remember more than others. Some just don’t listen and some don’t have the ability to take it all in. Of course we can also have a poor trainer who forgets an important point or two or does not have the ability transfer knowledge concisely.
So as with all the bad driving partly due to some of the above we also have drivers who operate fridges etc not exactly the way they should and when something unexpected happens they don’t have a clue.These drivers may be in the minority but they definitely exist but they all think they know it all just like on the road and what a shambles that is most days. Says it all.
You’ve got it Jake. I blame the haulage industry itself for recruiting these fruit cakes, problem being they shouldn’t be allowed near a truck let alone be trusted with sensitive loads like food. One of the worst things to have happened with haulage was to put an auto gearbox in trucks. It just opened the floodgates to them. When manual boxes disappeared so did all integrity and training leaving a new breed of steering wheel attendants with a poor attitude and aptitude.
jakethesnake:
Attitude attitude attitude and not much of it is good. I don’t think anybody is saying that all drivers are doing it wrong but some clearly need more training or refreshed.
The majority of training including driving is basic training, the minimum a persons needs to know to operate whatever. As we all know (or should realise) some people
learn and remember more than others. Some just don’t listen and some don’t have the ability to take it all in. Of course we can also have a poor trainer who forgets an important point or two or does not have the ability transfer knowledge concisely.
So as with all the bad driving partly due to some of the above we also have drivers who operate fridges etc not exactly the way they should and when something unexpected happens they don’t have a clue.These drivers may be in the minority but they definitely exist but they all think they know it all just like on the road and what a shambles that is most days. Says it all.
Of course everyone has the right to an opinion. And I would also agree that in fact we should never stop learning. But it ■■■■■ when one person tries to shout over the top of everybody else, with egotistical shouts and claims about their supposed knowledge.
If they want to give advice, then being condescending to others is clearly not the way forward.
I would not say he was shouting at anyone, but I would say some of the abusive responses deserve a lot more than he gives.I think the guy as an awful lot of patience. As the mod DD said if you don’t like what you see scroll past it.
Personally I find UKT’s threads quite interesting and if I drove fridges now would be interested in anything to do with them but that’s the way I am.
I get the impression some were actually taking an interest though.
dieseldog999:
… the difference is that it dont work on here as those with experience just shake their head in pity when they read your offerings…
If UKT’s offerings have the effect of making people shake their head in pity, then why don’t “those with experience” simply scroll past whatever they don’t like?
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uk/jakes offerings certainly make me shake my head in sympathetic pity for the posts,but theres quite a lot on here that have similar opinions to myself in relation to them, and on the basis that they dont scroll past,then why should i?
You said “those with experience” … I said “people,” so I’m not sure how you thought my comment was particularly aimed at you.
If UKT’s offerings have the effect of making people shake their head in pity, then why don’t “those with experience” simply scroll past whatever they don’t like?
Says it all.
