Can a fridge erm freeze chilled stuff?

UKtramp:

jakethesnake:
Spent the majority of my truck driving career doing fridges and it’s safe to say I don’t think I have ever done a manual defrost. I know you can and how just never have or see any reason why anyone would. Switch fridge on, set temp, set constant or stop start according to customer instructions and leave the ■■■■ thing alone to do what it does has always been my tactic

Nice to hear someone that knows what they are talking about.^^^^^^^

How do you have the patience UKT?

My point of a good fridge driver will never need to do manual defrosts in the first place, if you are doing manual defrosts regularly then either the unit has a fault or the driver is not adequately trained to be towing a reefer. the driver should check and report only. I have tried so hard to get this point across but as you can clearly read from certain members, it is difficult to drive this point home. You don’t get tanker drivers or car transport drivers just hopping into the cab and driving off with no training, at least I would hope not, but reefers seem to be an exception to training now. My opinion is drivers should not be allowed to tow reefers without knowing something about temperature control.

I agree. I thought it was the norm these days. Can’t do this without being trained , cant drive this without the course. It’s definitely a good idea although I remember driving fridges (briefly) in the 80’s in London and it was “fill it up with red” press this button, press that button and off you go! Changed days and changed controls!

Spent the majority of my truck driving career doing fridges and it’s safe to say I don’t think I have ever done a manual defrost. I know you can and how just never have or see any reason why anyone would. Switch fridge on, set temp, set constant or stop start according to customer instructions and leave the ■■■■ thing alone to do what it does has always been my tactic
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probably thats because you have always worked for decent legit operators and not the cowboy/hooligans/tang mafia mushroom mobs.

reality check here.
all the aforementioned google and spout churned out by fridge jesus and his shadow may all be very well in a cold store somewhere around the world.

assuming your in a factory ,your loaded and have a knakkered fridge and have to show -16 or 18 before the security cabbage will let you out the gate.

quite often theres no way the fridge will go down as far as that this side of christmas,so do a couple of defrosts back to back and its possible to eventually get that extra cpl of - degrees to get you out of the gate.
with the fridge set at the required temp,then run up the road at completely the wrong temperature,come over on the boat and tranship everything into a trailer that will go to the required low temp.
get it frozen down,deliver it get the signature and job done…the fact it may or may not be edible is someone elses problem and no penalty or insurance claim for rejection of load.

alternatively when you open the doors on a load of ambient and its frozen at minus 25,then back to the yard,empty the trailer,let it sit in the sun for a while,then deliver it late.same story and no penalty.
the only downside is a bit of botulism or dicky tummy for a random consumer. :slight_smile:

dieseldog999:
assuming your in a factory ,your loaded and have a knakkered fridge and have to show -16 or 18 before the security cabbage will let you out the gate.
alternatively when you open the doors on a load of ambient and its frozen at minus 25,then back to the yard,empty the trailer,let it sit in the sun for a while,then deliver it late.same story and no penalty.
the only downside is a bit of botulism or dicky tummy for a random consumer. :slight_smile:

I can only assume here that you are as usual talking rubbish, If you are having to do a couple of defrosts and expect to see -16 or 18 then it isn’t the fridge that’s knackered, it’s you’re procedure. Talking poppy ■■■■ here and what firm would use such reefers as well as any RDC allowing this cowboy tactic. I am sure you would be working to this standard but then I would expect no less. Fortunately reefers have to be serviced and maintain records to show it has been calibrated as well as fit for purpose. Try again.

UKtramp:

Franglais:
“The defrost cycle of hot gas obviously runs through both sets of coils regardless.”
Fascinating stuff…

Yes it is easily done, just reverse from heat to cool once again a good driver knows this trick, you don’t need to be an engineer to do this. During winter months we often defrost coils with either hot gas or by putting the fridge unit into a deep freeze. This will send super heated gas through the condenser coils.

Better and better.

Franglais:

UKtramp:

Franglais:
“The defrost cycle of hot gas obviously runs through both sets of coils regardless.”
Fascinating stuff…

Yes it is easily done, just reverse from heat to cool once again a good driver knows this trick, you don’t need to be an engineer to do this. During winter months we often defrost coils with either hot gas or by putting the fridge unit into a deep freeze. This will send super heated gas through the condenser coils.

Better and better.

Yes it most certainly is, are you suggesting that this isn’t the case or do you often write cryptic remarks? please enlighten us as I may be able to throw more light on this for you in a way that you might grasp it better .

Franglais:

Bigtruck3:

UKtramp:
Odd isn’t it when someone like me who is an Industrial refrigeration engineer and a consultant in this field that has worked world wide and highly regarded knows a lot less than someone who tows a reefer and is more of an expert. I have designed and worked on some of the most complex refrigeration plants on the planet, +4.0C is a very special temperature in refrigeration and as Franglais has pointed out that hydrogen bonding is in H2O. The human body is made up of 75% water, an awful lot of food stuffs hold water content and so the 4.oC magic number is very relevant.

Industrial refrigeration is my field and I can tell you anything you want to know about it. I even posted all of my refrigeration qualifications on here at one time including my gold card status and ammonia handling certs. Cold storage plants do indeed freeze from fresh in large blast freezers holding 20 pallets or more, then placed into the cold storage warehouse set at usually -20. The frozen pallets still hold heat and it takes a lot of energy to hold the huge amounts of pallets frozen.

If you place pallets in the cold storage warehouse at a less temperature than the set temperature then you get problems with imbalance and the compressors work harder than they should work and using huge amounts of energy to pull these pallets down to temp. All depends on the numbers here but it takes aprox 18 hrs to freeze a batch of 20 pallets of meat for example to freeze -18 to the core. Once again this all depends on water and salt content of the produce. I developed a way of freezing meat down to -10 which is the temp needed for factory cutters and slicers to effectively slice frozen meat. Any way carry on regardless with all your own theories, I am sure you will be right in your own ways.

Can you repost all that stuff again or share a link, just to confirm you are what you say

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Classic, especially the home made qualifications. :laughing:

I haven’t read all of this thread but there do seem to be two fundamental misunderstandings.

  1. Setting a thermostat, whether it is in your house, your fridge or a reefer trailer means that whatever system it’s connected to will do its best to get the area around the sensor to that setting (± a degree or two). If you set your house thermostat to 30 degrees when you get up on a cold morning, it won’t heat the house any faster than if it’s set at 22.

  2. The cold air in a fridge or a reefer trailer is NOT being sucked in from the outside. This is why people die in reefer trailers. The fan circulates the air in the trailer, cooling it a little each time it passes through until it reaches the set temperature. The cooled air is blown across the tops of the containers and returns under the pallets. If the load is too tall, or the pallets are not open at the bottom, the circulation will not work and problems will ensue.

As with most training drivers are only taught the basics. They are taught the basics in order to operate and the same goes with fridges I would imagine.
It’s not surprising to see the usual suspects embarrassing themselves. I have noticed on this forum before that some don’t like the fact that others have better knowledge of a subject.
Highly amusing. :laughing:

AndieHyde:
Classic, especially the home made qualifications. :laughing:

Ask him…

About the two occasions he was caught ‘pants pulled right down’ lying on here.

yourhavingalarf:

AndieHyde:
Classic, especially the home made qualifications. :laughing:

Ask him…

About the two occasions he was caught ‘pants pulled right down’ lying on here.

Grow up! and here is the man who says he has driven all over Europe towing a fridge. Yet has not got the first idea of refrigeration basics and then tells others that if you set your unit to +4 degrees the air will blow at +4 degrees. Even funnier that he then pops on and makes a statement of he knows what he is doing. Your name says it all on here, you really must be having a laugh.

Isn’t it amazing how the usual thread killers come out of the woodwork and completely spoil a perfectly sensible post with their childish antics. What always surprises me is how they cannot resist me and need me to to read their writing as though it even bothers me. A word of wisdom here, don’t ask why the clown keeps acting like a clown, rather ask why do you keep coming to the circus. If you think I am a clown, stay away.

Ok, a few genuine questions here, I’m NOT taking the ■■■■.

I’ve been on fridges a few years now and apparently like many others received no official training prior to being let loose. Why is it a bad thing to do a forced manual defrost? My thoughts have been that when I do one lots of water exits the fridge via the drains, I assumed that getting that water out would be a good thing? Obviously I’m open to being persuaded otherwise.

Also we do lots of multi drop work where I’m not on a bay but rather unloading in a yard with a pallet truck. In these circumstances I always switch the fridge off because all it seems that I’m achieving is creating ice on the floor etc. Am I correct in doing that whilst the delivery takes place?

Lastly regarding ice, as mentioned we lots of off bay multi drop and certain fridges end up with a large build up of thick ice on the floor at the front. My way of dealing with that has always been after my last delivery to set the temp as hot as it will go and “cook” the ice for a few hours to clear it. It’s certainly effective but am I in any way damaging the fridge by doing that?

Probably newbie questions, but if you don’t ask you don’t learn.

UKtramp:

dieseldog999:
assuming your in a factory ,your loaded and have a knakkered fridge and have to show -16 or 18 before the security cabbage will let you out the gate.
alternatively when you open the doors on a load of ambient and its frozen at minus 25,then back to the yard,empty the trailer,let it sit in the sun for a while,then deliver it late.same story and no penalty.
the only downside is a bit of botulism or dicky tummy for a random consumer. :slight_smile:

I can only assume here that you are as usual talking rubbish, If you are having to do a couple of defrosts and expect to see -16 or 18 then it isn’t the fridge that’s knackered, it’s you’re procedure. Talking poppy ■■■■ here and what firm would use such reefers as well as any RDC allowing this cowboy tactic. I am sure you would be working to this standard but then I would expect no less. Fortunately reefers have to be serviced and maintain records to show it has been calibrated as well as fit for purpose. Try again.[/quot

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your predictable reply really only confirms that you have absolutely no comprehension whatsoever of normal tactics to lift and deliver a frozen load in a trailer with a dodgy fridge motor.
as per usual all your going to do now is defend by attacking,deny,ignore,and bring in the jake type clones in a vain attempt to waffle through another load of pish until once again the inevitable lock comes along.
isnt it funny how all the posts regarding how you were proved to be a fraud and ousted several times seem to be ignored?

your just flogging another dead horse and yet again making a bigger fool of yourself,but dream on regardless.

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the maoster:
Ok, a few genuine questions here, I’m NOT taking the ■■■■.

I’ve been on fridges a few years now and apparently like many others received no official training prior to being let loose. Why is it a bad thing to do a forced manual defrost? My thoughts have been that when I do one lots of water exits the fridge via the drains, I assumed that getting that water out would be a good thing? Obviously I’m open to being persuaded otherwise.

Also we do lots of multi drop work where I’m not on a bay but rather unloading in a yard with a pallet truck. In these circumstances I always switch the fridge off because all it seems that I’m achieving is creating ice on the floor etc. Am I correct in doing that whilst the delivery takes place?

Lastly regarding ice, as mentioned we lots of off bay multi drop and certain fridges end up with a large build up of thick ice on the floor at the front. My way of dealing with that has always been after my last delivery to set the temp as hot as it will go and “cook” the ice for a few hours to clear it. It’s certainly effective but am I in any way damaging the fridge by doing that?

Probably newbie questions, but if you don’t ask you don’t learn.

Nice to see a genuine reply from someone that can discuss and debate without being childish and petty although not always willing to admit being wrong. :wink:

dieseldog999:
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your predictable reply really only confirms that you have absolutely no comprehension whatsoever of normal tactics to lift and deliver a frozen load in a trailer with a dodgy fridge motor.
as per usual all your going to do now is defend by attacking,deny,ignore,and bring in the jake type clones in a vain attempt to waffle through another load of pish until once again the inevitable lock comes along.
isnt it funny how all the posts regarding how you were proved to be a fraud and ousted several times seem to be ignored?

your just flogging another dead horse and yet again making a bigger fool of yourself,but dream on regardless.

Yes in you’re real world of driving substandard equipment and unlicensed food carriers is miles away from my world, you are right there. I wouldn’t lower myself to such antics. If I were paid 3 times as much as what I am paid now I wouldn’t be interested. But then I am more qualified and professional to make that decision than having to sink to such depths. You’re examples given are an absolute disgrace and disgusting to even consider. You must be very desperate for work is all that I can say. Now I am going to pop you on ignore as I find you the lowest of the low, I do not or cannot accept what you have stated goes on and certainly if it did would need be stamped out very quickly. I will be reporting you’re antics and comments in hoping that you are traced and prosecuted for these deliberate actions. You really are a disgrace.

the maoster:
Ok, a few genuine questions here, I’m NOT taking the ■■■■■

I’ve been on fridges a few years now and apparently like many others received no official training prior to being let loose. Why is it a bad thing to do a forced manual defrost? My thoughts have been that when I do one lots of water exits the fridge via the drains, I assumed that getting that water out would be a good thing? Obviously I’m open to being persuaded otherwise.

Also we do lots of multi drop work where I’m not on a bay but rather unloading in a yard with a pallet truck. In these circumstances I always switch the fridge off because all it seems that I’m achieving is creating ice on the floor etc. Am I correct in doing that whilst the delivery takes place?

Lastly regarding ice, as mentioned we lots of off bay multi drop and certain fridges end up with a large build up of thick ice on the floor at the front. My way of dealing with that has always been after my last delivery to set the temp as hot as it will go and “cook” the ice for a few hours to clear it. It’s certainly effective but am I in any way damaging the fridge by doing that?

Probably newbie questions, but if you don’t ask you don’t learn.

Excellent questions, and let me explain what you are asking and I apologise now for the long replies but it is important and you have raised some very important points that I can clear up and hopefully educate a few others that may have the same questions.

On the point of initiating manual defrosts, as I have said, there is a time and a place for them no question about that. It is not to be done as some have suggested whilst loading or unloading. Lets assume a few scenarios here where it would not be good practice.

Firstly lets say as per your example of frozen. Most loading bays that deal in both fresh and frozen will try to maintain a bay temp of 4 to 5 degrees. You rock up to the loading bay with your doors open and position yourself on the bay. In the summer months as the weather is now you will have a lot of dry ice flowing out of your trailer and onto the loading bay. Good for the temp issues on the loading bay but when you have 8 or more wagons doing the same thing, loading bays can resemble a scene from a horror movie with vast clouds of dry ice laying layers over the floor. Your frozen produce has started loading onto your lorry and the forklifts are flying in and out of your trailer. You will see the dry ice now swirling in and out of the back of the box. You now pop your box into defrost and the fans stop running. now more than ever you are getting more dry ice into your trailer as there is no positive blowing so this dry ice settles onto the floor and walls of your trailer. the temp warms up from the defrost and causes the dry ice to form water vapour which is now saturating the trailer. When the defrost cycle ends and you’re unit starts to pull down, your coils will be wet which is why the fans should have a delay whilst the liquid refrigerant is pumping around the coils to freeze this moisture before the fans kick in. because of the high moisture content now introduced into your trailer through the defrost cycle, you’re trailer will freeze this moisture making even more ice than you originally would have including the floor area. More chance of icing up the evap coils as well as any air vents much quicker. This is the original senario that someone commented on here as suggested doing. It would be much more beneficial to have defrosted the trailer before loading or if really necessary to leave the manual defrost until your load is fully loaded and the doors are shut and left for aprox an hour for the temp to stabalise. Then a manual defrost will do the least damage as far as your load temps and forming ice around the evap coils and chutes.

As for your query regards delivering multi drops and switching off your fridge unit whilst the doors are open, this is exactly the recommended procedure, also good practice whilst loading too for that matter.

You’re other point of after you’re last drop is to cook the ice and clear the unit is also a good practice, rather than a defrost by turning up the heat you will clear the ice and drains etc much better. The condenser coils in this instance can be a problem but depending on weather conditions will not be a real issue. The main thing to remember is NOT to initiate a defrost whilst loading frozen, also to keep the doors open to a minimum, when the doors are open, stop the fridge unit and start it up when the doors are closed. Keeping defrosts to a minimum is the key. Hope this helps and clears up any confusions regards manual defrosts. Leave defrosts to the auto pre programmed cycles and do what you’re doing now and you will have very little problems.

“Not always willing to admit to being wrong” :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

We’ve had hydrogen fusion, warm gases flowing through both coils, fridges put inside freezers, and now we have dry-ice inside a trailer!
This thread is wonderful!

Thank you for taking the time and the patience to answer UKT. I’m gonna bow out now before the inevitable bitchfight. Yeah I know I’m usually involved somewhere along the line :smiley: but I’m not in the mood for it today.

My bro put a coke can in his Renault fridge on Friday by Monday the can had split open :laughing: