A friend that waiting on her (talked tae him on FB) spoke tae one o their drivers that was on her said it was a rogue wave about half way out…………………as a local boy he said his first thoughts was what happened to the “princess Victoria” ferry in the 50s when it went down in a winter storm with few survivors
JIMBO47:
A friend that waiting on her (talked tae him on FB) spoke tae one o their drivers that was on her said it was a rogue wave about half way out…………………as a local boy he said his first thoughts was what happened to the “princess Victoria” ferry in the 50s when it went down in a winter storm with few survivors
I was thinking on those lines, 133 died on that occasion en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Princess_Victoria
I read in one report earlier that some people were trapped in their vehicles.
Wasn’t staying in the vehicle outlawed after the tragedy of the Herald?
DadsRetired:
I read in one report earlier that some people were trapped in their vehicles.Wasn’t staying in the vehicle outlawed after the tragedy of the Herald?
A frequently ignored rule on the shorter crossings
Driver error
waddy640:
JIMBO47:
A friend that waiting on her (talked tae him on FB) spoke tae one o their drivers that was on her said it was a rogue wave about half way out…………………as a local boy he said his first thoughts was what happened to the “princess Victoria” ferry in the 50s when it went down in a winter storm with few survivorsI was thinking on those lines, 133 died on that occasion en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Princess_Victoria
not a woman or child survived nor ships officers.
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It docked at the same berths as the Princess’s. One other point about the Dalriada was it could only carry twelve passengers so most of it’s cargo was unaccompanied trailers. Does that ring any bells?
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Its a little clearer in my mind now, I am reasonably sure it was the Galloway Princess, it may have had a stabiliser failure mid crossing during a storm which caused the wreckage in side which definitely included cars and passengers, the trailers & heavier vehicles ripped the elephants securing feet out of the deck.
One of the survivors of the Princess Victoria was a man I worked with quiet some years ago, Tony Mcquistin who was on the vehicle deck when the water swept in to the ship that night and some how he washed out into the sea to survive.
raymundo:
P & O pointy shoe brigade probably ‘advising’ the Captain to sail when the adverse weather conditions told him to stay in port, and yes I know full well that the master has the overriding decision on when to sail but it don’t work like that any more in many shipping companies …
Unlike in road haulage, where, a cording to some on here, the driver can simply refuse to do anything he deems either dangerous or against the rules. Unless the driver is a brown nosing bending over lube supplier…
dieseldog999:
this must be my week to buy a lottery ticket.
after doing 3 months work in 1 month cowboying my way around euroland,i came home last night cabbing the crossing with a bit of bumping and banging catching the earlyier ferry thanks to 2 cards and a magnet.
all we need to do now is wait and see if any of the excuses for not being on the boat can compare to the yearly contributions for missing the herald.
there was 3 of smiths on it empty instead of full as if they were on the way home,there would have been about 9000 live chickens running about the car deck.
i wouldnt think sawyers would be concerned about theirs being wrecked as it means that for once theres someone to blame apart from the driver as they get their fair share of normal carnage.
id imagine it might not be so easy to cab it for a kip on the p&o for a wee while now till the novelty wears off.
I’ve been wondering where you’ve been. I was really lucky with this one. I’d popped over from Oz to catch the ferry, but got held up on the way, so just missed it. I went back down to Hereford… you know where and got a nights kip there with me old mates. Oh and don’t talk to me about the Herald.
peterm:
dieseldog999:
this must be my week to buy a lottery ticket.
after doing 3 months work in 1 month cowboying my way around euroland,i came home last night cabbing the crossing with a bit of bumping and banging catching the earlyier ferry thanks to 2 cards and a magnet.
all we need to do now is wait and see if any of the excuses for not being on the boat can compare to the yearly contributions for missing the herald.
there was 3 of smiths on it empty instead of full as if they were on the way home,there would have been about 9000 live chickens running about the car deck.
i wouldnt think sawyers would be concerned about theirs being wrecked as it means that for once theres someone to blame apart from the driver as they get their fair share of normal carnage.
id imagine it might not be so easy to cab it for a kip on the p&o for a wee while now till the novelty wears off.I’ve been wondering where you’ve been. I was really lucky with this one. I’d popped over from Oz to catch the ferry, but got held up on the way, so just missed it. I went back down to Hereford… you know where and got a nights kip there with me old mates. Oh and don’t talk to me about the Herald.
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about 20 mins before it dcks at cairnryan the boat hangs a sharp right to enter the loch and my mate who was on it said it blew over about then,and came down the loch sideways.
if your heading the other way across to larne then its the same thing.
20 mins into the crossing it hangs a left,it usually lurches a good bit and all the car alarms go off cos of the bangs.
9 out of 10 times id be cabbing it for the crossing same as the birkenhead boat which is appealing as 8 hours in prison with the option of drowning.
if there was 50 trucks on that boat,you can bet your boots 40 of them were cabbing it in the bunk for the crossing.
dieseldog999:
peterm:
dieseldog999:
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about 20 mins before it dcks at cairnryan the boat hangs a sharp right to enter the loch and my mate who was on it said it blew over about then,and came down the loch sideways.if your heading the other way across to larne then its the same thing.
20 mins into the crossing it hangs a left,it usually lurches a good bit and all the car alarms go off cos of the bangs.9 out of 10 times id be cabbing it for the crossing same as the birkenhead boat which is appealing as 8 hours in prison with the option of drowning.
if there was 50 trucks on that boat,you can bet your boots 40 of them were cabbing it in the bunk for the crossing.
At the bottom of the loch, where the boats do a left/right turn, there’s a major conflict of currents which always causes some turbulence. It was there that the Princess Victoria’s problems started, and she sadly never recovered.
JIMBO47:
waddy640:
JIMBO47:
A friend that waiting on her (talked tae him on FB) spoke tae one o their drivers that was on her said it was a rogue wave about half way out…………………as a local boy he said his first thoughts was what happened to the “princess Victoria” ferry in the 50s when it went down in a winter storm with few survivorsI was thinking on those lines, 133 died on that occasion en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Princess_Victoria
not a woman or child survived nor ships officers.
Edited : I misread your post and wikip 
it says at the bottom “There were 44 survivors but notably none of the ship’s officers was among them.” So 44 men survived.
Reading a bit more of it the subsequent enquiry came to the conclusion that 2 big reasons for it happening were the safety door was not shut so the normal doors were burst open by the storm and the water that got on to the vehicle deck could not be dealt with. Sounds a bit familiar 
As Supatramp so rightly says the area outside the mouth of Loch Ryan is very turbulent with
several different currents meeting there. It is often referred to as a “Troubled Sea”.
Born and bred in Stranraer I remember the Princess Victoria disaster well. It was the most
bizarre of disasters. In effect the ship was never more than 10 miles from land and was in
constant contact with Portpatrick and the Royal Naval destroyer coming to it’s aid but in a
period of over 4 hours bobbing around in the North Channel it was never found by rescue
ships and sank alone with an appalling loss of life including all women and children onboard.
The best known of shipping disasters, the Titanic sank in 2 hours 20 minutes after hitting an
iceberg in the middle of nowhere. The Victoria sank 4hours 15 minutes after sending it’s first
call for aid and as previously stated was never more than 10 miles from land. Titanic didn’t have
anywhere enough lifeboat space, Victoria had more than ample. Percentage of those on board
lost on the Titanic was 70%, on the Victoria 75%.
To this day any mention of the Princess Victoria in a Stranraer pub will lead to a heated discussion
with all invloved putting forward different views and theories as to what happened.
To this day any mention of the Princess Victoria in a Stranraer pub will lead to a heated discussion
with all invloved putting forward different views and theories as to what happened.
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looks like its along similar lines to the online version in here then?
the only difference being that its only cyber handbags at dawn,and not someone getting glassed for gobbing off too much.
stranraer csi springs to mind … 
they were going to do a tv series of csi based there,but they cancelled it after they discvered that theres no dental records and everyone local has the same dna.
Supatramp:
At the bottom of the loch, where the boats do a left/right turn, there’s a major conflict of currents which always causes some turbulence. It was there that the Princess Victoria’s problems started, and she sadly never recovered.
Is there really ■■? Cant say I’ve noticed it and been in and out of there on various sized boats/ships and in some crap weather …
raymundo:
Supatramp:
At the bottom of the loch, where the boats do a left/right turn, there’s a major conflict of currents which always causes some turbulence. It was there that the Princess Victoria’s problems started, and she sadly never recovered.Is there really ■■? Cant say I’ve noticed it and been in and out of there on various sized boats/ships and in some crap weather …
Apparently it happens both ends of the Irish Sea where it meets the Atlantic Ocean and also affects the Fishguard - Rosslare ferries as well. I made quite a few trips on both routes and most of the time it was a pleasant experience, with one or two not so good trips.
dieseldog999:
they were going to do a tv series of csi based there,but they cancelled it after they discvered that theres no dental records and everyone local has the same dna.
Oldmannie would this make us friends??
Which end of toon are you from?
Dave…
Coronation Drive Dave, but I escaped in 1963 when I joined up.
oldmannie:
As Supatramp so rightly says the area outside the mouth of Loch Ryan is very turbulent with
several different currents meeting there. It is often referred to as a “Troubled Sea”.Born and bred in Stranraer I remember the Princess Victoria disaster well. It was the most
bizarre of disasters. In effect the ship was never more than 10 miles from land and was in
constant contact with Portpatrick and the Royal Naval destroyer coming to it’s aid but in a
period of over 4 hours bobbing around in the North Channel it was never found by rescue
ships and sank alone with an appalling loss of life including all women and children onboard.The best known of shipping disasters, the Titanic sank in 2 hours 20 minutes after hitting an
iceberg in the middle of nowhere. The Victoria sank 4hours 15 minutes after sending it’s first
call for aid and as previously stated was never more than 10 miles from land. Titanic didn’t have
anywhere enough lifeboat space, Victoria had more than ample. Percentage of those on board
lost on the Titanic was 70%, on the Victoria 75%.To this day any mention of the Princess Victoria in a Stranraer pub will lead to a heated discussion
with all invloved putting forward different views and theories as to what happened.
I’ve read a book on the Princess Victoria disaster, and although he bravely stayed at his post and perished along with the other officers, it is suggested that much of the time the radio officer was transmitting the wrong locations, and that along with the fact that the ship was in darkness, and the weather, contributed to the disiaster!!
raymundo:
Supatramp:
At the bottom of the loch, where the boats do a left/right turn, there’s a major conflict of currents which always causes some turbulence. It was there that the Princess Victoria’s problems started, and she sadly never recovered.Is there really ■■? Cant say I’ve noticed it and been in and out of there on various sized boats/ships and in some crap weather …
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every single time the feries come out of the loch and get exposed to the full brunt of the sea and weather then when your cabbing it you always feel the difference lying in your bed as apart from the few car alarms that went off and stopped as it left the berth,then theres plenty go off again even in fine weather so it must be a combination of the way the seas going combined with a left turn to head for belfast/larne.
you dont notice it much upstairs,but always noticable cabbing it.