Cab-Hopping and Cameras

robroy:

weeto:
If you’ve nothing to hide, you’ve nothing to worry about.
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Ahh the old chestnut that always comes up in this type of thread, and there it is. :smiley:
Well if you want to swallow that management type ■■■■■■■■ (that will just about apply to any old thing they chuck at us :bulb: ) I don’t.
I definitely have nothing to worry about in terms of texting, falling asleep, reading, when driving or any other recipe for disaster you can come up with to spin this gross encroachment of freedom and privacy that ‘‘they’’ are imposing on us…cos I don’t do any of them. :bulb:
That does not mean to say I am willing to be watched constantly by some arse hole in an office (who has evidently nothing better to do), because some crap drivers do all and more of these bad practices.

Btw mate, How far do you go with your ‘‘If you have nothing to worry about’’ mantra exactly? It could ( and does ) be used to justify any unfair treatment, or in this case any Orwellian management style method you could imagine, from regular rubber glove style body searches to tracking implants.
So I can just see you in the transport managers office bent over the desk with a jar of ky jelly in one hand and your clinic appointment card for your implant in the other nodding your head with the tm saying ‘‘Relax Weeto mate, if you have nothing to hide, you’ve nothing to worry about’’
As for me I reckon I would maybe show a bit of resistance…token at the very least.

Thing is robroy, management don’t get to see the footage off the cameras fitted, they are on a constant record and erase the oldest footage system and will only save data after an incident, drivers who think that management are sat at their desks watching or listening to there drivers constantly are miss informed by the numpties in RDC waiting rooms, if the employer can save a few quid on his insurance premiums and save on fraudulent claims by 3rd parties why worry about it.
Drivers are also very happy to pay for these cameras out of their own pocket just to cover their arses, whats the difference??

Evil8Beezle:

Conor:

F-reds:
You’ve been there 1000000 years Conor. Have you been offered 43k full time yet??

Not sure my back is up to going permanent. Been doing full time for the last few weeks and suffering because of it. Really narks me off.

With 43k a year couldn’t you afford a good Osteopath? :open_mouth:

would he not need to see a head from up your own ■■■ extraction specialist before the osteopath??

weeto:

robroy:

weeto:
If you’ve nothing to hide, you’ve nothing to worry about.
.

Ahh the old chestnut that always comes up in this type of thread, and there it is. :smiley:
Well if you want to swallow that management type ■■■■■■■■ (that will just about apply to any old thing they chuck at us :bulb: ) I don’t.
I definitely have nothing to worry about in terms of texting, falling asleep, reading, when driving or any other recipe for disaster you can come up with to spin this gross encroachment of freedom and privacy that ‘‘they’’ are imposing on us…cos I don’t do any of them. :bulb:
That does not mean to say I am willing to be watched constantly by some arse hole in an office (who has evidently nothing better to do), because some crap drivers do all and more of these bad practices.

Btw mate, How far do you go with your ‘‘If you have nothing to worry about’’ mantra exactly? It could ( and does ) be used to justify any unfair treatment, or in this case any Orwellian management style method you could imagine, from regular rubber glove style body searches to tracking implants.
So I can just see you in the transport managers office bent over the desk with a jar of ky jelly in one hand and your clinic appointment card for your implant in the other nodding your head with the tm saying ‘‘Relax Weeto mate, if you have nothing to hide, you’ve nothing to worry about’’
As for me I reckon I would maybe show a bit of resistance…token at the very least.

Thing is robroy, management don’t get to see the footage off the cameras fitted, they are on a constant record and erase the oldest footage system and will only save data after an incident, drivers who think that management are sat at their desks watching or listening to there drivers constantly are miss informed by the numpties in RDC waiting rooms, if the employer can save a few quid on his insurance premiums and save on fraudulent claims by 3rd parties why worry about it.
Drivers are also very happy to pay for these cameras out of their own pocket just to cover their arses, whats the difference??

Ok seems like we are talking at cross purposes here. I got the impression you were making a point of justifying an in cab all round surveillance camera, not an event camera for insurance, so I apologise to you for implying that you were one of the many ‘yes men’ in the job today.

I have one fitted in my truck as I mentioned (on this thread or the other one), but I am still not comfortable with it pointing at me, so I have it covered. When I first got it I taped it up just to make a point, being the arsey ■■■■■ that I am. :smiling_imp: :laughing:
After an argument and a compromise it is now covered by partly a pelmet and partly a sun visor, so it has the same effect, but not ‘purposely’ covered if you will.

The own pocket ones you mention are very different, as the driver determines who and what is seen by the appropriate party, so there is no chance of a driver being incriminated, I personally would not have a problem with that option as it is 100% in the driver’s favour, unlike the other types.

robroy:
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I have one fitted in my truck as I mentioned (on this thread or the other one), but I am still not comfortable with it pointing at me, so I have it covered. When I first got it I taped it up just to make a point, being the arsey ■■■■■ that I am. :smiling_imp: :laughing:
After an argument and a compromise it is now covered by partly a pelmet and partly a sun visor, so it has the same effect, but not ‘purposely’ covered if you will.

A PELMET! You big Nancy! You’ll be telling us you drive round with your tassle curtains half closed next… :wink:

Tris:
No way would I have a camera spying on me. I’d rather give up the job and become a fork truck driver on a set shift pattern. I’ve unplugged the company sat nav as I find the light distracting (it also monitors speeds). Reckon I’ve just about drained the battery now.

So you could still have cctv watching you for all your shift if you work in warehouse?

robroy:

weeto:
If you’ve nothing to hide, you’ve nothing to worry about.
.

Ahh the old chestnut that always comes up in this type of thread, and there it is. :smiley:
Well if you want to swallow that management type ■■■■■■■■ (that will just about apply to any old thing they chuck at us :bulb: ) I don’t.
I definitely have nothing to worry about in terms of texting, falling asleep, reading, when driving or any other recipe for disaster you can come up with to spin this gross encroachment of freedom and privacy that ‘‘they’’ are imposing on us…cos I don’t do any of them. :bulb:
That does not mean to say I am willing to be watched constantly by some arse hole in an office (who has evidently nothing better to do), because some crap drivers do all and more of these bad practices.

Btw mate, How far do you go with your ‘‘If you have nothing to worry about’’ mantra exactly? It could ( and does ) be used to justify any unfair treatment, or in this case any Orwellian management style method you could imagine, from regular rubber glove style body searches to tracking implants.
So I can just see you in the transport managers office bent over the desk with a jar of ky jelly in one hand and your clinic appointment card for your implant in the other nodding your head with the tm saying ‘‘Relax Weeto mate, if you have nothing to hide, you’ve nothing to worry about’’
As for me I reckon I would maybe show a bit of resistance…token at the very least.

Wholeheartedly agree. People who spout that phrase can’t see where it leads. It leads to a place where you’d no longer need to have something to hide, where if the powers that be want to they could take you out despite you doing no wrong. Sounds remote for us as Brits but exactly that has happened so many times over the centuries and is still going on today.

Don’t give away freedoms, because you will NEVER get them back

At the end of the day we can all argue the pros and cons of them but there is nothing any of us can do. They’re coming your way whether you like it or not I’m afraid!

Do I like the thought of it? Absolutely not.

Yes as some have we can all walk away and quit. Do you think you’ll be missed and begged to stay ? I don’t think so.

Drivers said they would quit when trackers came in - most never

Drivers said they would quit when the CPC came in - most never.

Drivers often say they will do a lot of things - most never do.

Like I said I don’t agree with them but who am I !

For those asking what will they prove, well I would have thought that’s obvious . Anything happens or a complaint from Jo public then it will be the first port of call. What can’t speak can’t lie as they say.
It could be anything but it would only be part of a puzzle.

For example cameras looked at first to see what driver was doing at the time ie on phone, not looking ahead , bending down that sort of thing. Then tacho,will be looked at for speed, drivers hours etc. your account the complainants, police, vosa s account and so on.

They will all be part of a bigger picture should the brown stuff hit the fan.

Tris:
No way would I have a camera spying on me. I’d rather give up the job and become a fork truck driver on a set shift pattern. I’ve unplugged the company sat nav as I find the light distracting (it also monitors speeds). Reckon I’ve just about drained the battery now.

engage brain first :unamused: :unamused:

Ok so you wouldn’t drive a wagon with a driver facing camera, yet you would jump ship to being a forky driver were they more than likely have cctv 24/7 watching you fooling around in the warehouse flipping pennies into bottles.

ezydriver:
I’ve just started a new job in which I’m also cab hopping, and where a few motors have inward facing cameras (we probably work for the same firm :smiley: ). I’ve had the pleasure of driving two such vehicles, and the psychological feeling it evoked was awful. However, I noticed the first camera had been cleverly turned around so as to record the A-pillar, and the second one was obscured by the tax-disc/operator’s disc holder, which I didn’t bend into position. I expect many drivers will remove trim and snip wires, so a lot of them probably won’t work. I don’t carry a tin of Vaseline around with me, but I hear some drivers do, as well as black marker pens. This camera malarkey is definitely the final nail in the coffin for me, mainly because of the implications. You’d only have to yawn and that’d be used as evidence you were too tired to be driving. Not only that, but I quite like to sip coffee and eat the occasional sandwich - something the encroaching Orwellian dystopia strongly disapproves of.

Another poster mentioned blocking the camera, but using his own. That might be worth considering, because you could control how it’s used, which lessens any negative psychological impact. But yeah, the job’s definitely going down the pan now.

We probably do, the ones at ours are on the near-side pillar, facing the driver’s seat. Supposedly they only record 20-second clips, and a high g-force incident will cause the camera to save the 20 seconds prior to it. It then takes around 6 hours to get to the compliance team’s computer screens, but a major incident can be pushed through to access in as little as an hour. The trucks at my depot don’t have them, but all of the other depots do, and it’s only a matter of time before my depot does.

What gets me, is that the footage a camera captures can be very subjective, and completely dependant on the opinion of the person who views it. It they really want to get you, they can do, it’s not a conspiracy theory, they can. If you have a bump, the compliance team can review the footage, and comment what they like; “He looked a bit unsure of himself”, “he looked like he hesitated about something”, “He wasn’t using his mirrors enough”, “he was sipping his coffee”, “he had a very loose grip on the wheel”, “he was slouched in his seat”, “he had his sunglasses on when it was a bit dark”, “he was eyeing up those birds”, “he had his radio on very loud”, the list goes on… It seems to me that it’s ridiculously easy for the management to blame an incident on a driver, unless he drives like he did on his test. It’s a horrible way to work.

I completely appreciate that some footage reviewers really won’t give a toss, but it’s food for thought. Pretty much anything can be bent and twisted into being seen as poor driving style. Some will just install them for the cheaper insurance, and probably never bother with them after the novelty runs out, but the firm I work for supposedly has a “compliance team”, who will get in touch with you regarding anything caught on camera. 1984-esque!

The same for living in fear, and daring not do something, in case the camera catches you. It’s working in fear. The firm, Corcra, who install the cameras advertise that they “positively effect driver behaviour”. To me, it just sounds dehumanising, like a dog wearing a shock collar. Again, it’s a horrible way to work.

As for putting your own camera in, I would happily put my own in, and in the unlikely event of an incident, I would happily supply it to the authorities, should they ask for it. By authorities, I mean the police, or possibly the insurers. It’s one’s own footage, what nobody else can see. I’d rather have that, than “Keith from compliance” sat watching my working day. Like Robroy says, the driver holds all the cards, not some are-wipe compliance manager.

On the topic of new technology, the ability to watch live footage has been going around for a while, and I can only presume that companies with cameras only use the non-live footage option because it’s cheaper. Someone mentioned earlier about their friend being able to watch his drivers on his phone, and as that form of technology becomes cheaper and more accessible, there will be much, much more to come. Live CCTV footage of drivers, on the manager’s screen. What a horrible thought!

One of the things that appealed to me when I decided to get into this game years ago was that to a certain degree once you were out on the road you were your own boss.

There are 3 main factors over the years that have changed this game massively as far as the driver is concerned,

  1. Mobile phones ( or cab phones as they started out as)

  2. Trackers

  3. now the camera roll out

Just glad I’ve had the best years out of the job!

switchlogic:

robroy:
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I have one fitted in my truck as I mentioned (on this thread or the other one), but I am still not comfortable with it pointing at me, so I have it covered. When I first got it I taped it up just to make a point, being the arsey ■■■■■ that I am. :smiling_imp: :laughing:
After an argument and a compromise it is now covered by partly a pelmet and partly a sun visor, so it has the same effect, but not ‘purposely’ covered if you will.

A PELMET! You big Nancy! You’ll be telling us you drive round with your tassle curtains half closed next… :wink:

Ok, fair cop guv,… Guilty as charged :blush: :blush: :smiley:

robroy:

weeto:
If you’ve nothing to hide, you’ve nothing to worry about.
.

Ahh the old chestnut that always comes up in this type of thread, and there it is. :smiley:
Well if you want to swallow that management type ■■■■■■■■ (that will just about apply to any old thing they chuck at us :bulb: ) I don’t.
I definitely have nothing to worry about in terms of texting, falling asleep, reading, when driving or any other recipe for disaster you can come up with to spin this gross encroachment of freedom and privacy that ‘‘they’’ are imposing on us…cos I don’t do any of them. :bulb:
That does not mean to say I am willing to be watched constantly by some arse hole in an office (who has evidently nothing better to do), because some crap drivers do all and more of these bad practices.

Btw mate, How far do you go with your ‘‘If you have nothing to worry about’’ mantra exactly? It could ( and does ) be used to justify any unfair treatment, or in this case any Orwellian management style method you could imagine, from regular rubber glove style body searches to tracking implants.
So I can just see you in the transport managers office bent over the desk with a jar of ky jelly in one hand and your clinic appointment card for your implant in the other nodding your head with the tm saying ‘‘Relax Weeto mate, if you have nothing to hide, you’ve nothing to worry about’’
As for me I reckon I would maybe show a bit of resistance…token at the very least.

Couldn’t have put it better myself. A few years ago (well before I worked there) our place put in a debrief office for every single driver at the end of their shift. "Why did you take a break here, why did you overnight there when such a place was more accessible, etc etc etc. They lost a good 10% of the drivers, maybe even double that.

Then the TM got buggered off, and the debrief team got challenged about staff turnover, by his replacement.

They said how much money they’d saved by not having drivers doing their own thing. So he asked the question about how much agency costs had risen.

Debrief was costing about 4 times as much to run as it was saving.

And the debrief team got moved over into the “getting things done” side of the office, and let’s just say, if there’s a lack of jobs kicking about, they may actually condone and even encourage “tossing it off” to keep drivers sweet.

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PaulNowak:

robroy:

weeto:
If you’ve nothing to hide, you’ve nothing to worry about.
.

Ahh the old chestnut that always comes up in this type of thread, and there it is. :smiley:
Well if you want to swallow that management type ■■■■■■■■ (that will just about apply to any old thing they chuck at us :bulb: ) I don’t.
I definitely have nothing to worry about in terms of texting, falling asleep, reading, when driving or any other recipe for disaster you can come up with to spin this gross encroachment of freedom and privacy that ‘‘they’’ are imposing on us…cos I don’t do any of them. :bulb:
That does not mean to say I am willing to be watched constantly by some arse hole in an office (who has evidently nothing better to do), because some crap drivers do all and more of these bad practices.

Btw mate, How far do you go with your ‘‘If you have nothing to worry about’’ mantra exactly? It could ( and does ) be used to justify any unfair treatment, or in this case any Orwellian management style method you could imagine, from regular rubber glove style body searches to tracking implants.
So I can just see you in the transport managers office bent over the desk with a jar of ky jelly in one hand and your clinic appointment card for your implant in the other nodding your head with the tm saying ‘‘Relax Weeto mate, if you have nothing to hide, you’ve nothing to worry about’’
As for me I reckon I would maybe show a bit of resistance…token at the very least.

Couldn’t have put it better myself. A few years ago (well before I worked there) our place put in a debrief office for every single driver at the end of their shift. "Why did you take a break here, why did you overnight there when such a place was more accessible, etc etc etc. They lost a good 10% of the drivers, maybe even double that.

Then the TM got buggered off, and the debrief team got challenged about staff turnover, by his replacement.

They said how much money they’d saved by not having drivers doing their own thing. So he asked the question about how much agency costs had risen.

Debrief was costing about 4 times as much to run as it was saving.

And the debrief team got moved over into the “getting things done” side of the office, and let’s just say, if there’s a lack of jobs kicking about, they may actually condone and even encourage “tossing it off” to keep drivers sweet.

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Hopefully this will happen with the cameras, putting people off driving, or forcing existing ones out. I don’t wish anyone personal misfortune, but I think the so called “managers” need a consequence for their actions. They can sit there, wondering why they can’t get arses on seats, their entire driver force being made up of agency drivers, foreigners, and the odd old-guard who are riding it out for their pension. The suits are ■■■■■■■ in their own bed as we speak, let’s hope soon they’ll have to lay in it!

I was listening to a few older drivers in a waiting room yesterday, talking about how it used to be. No tacho, phones, dashcams, runs to Turkey, all of that. It got me thinking how us lot will be talking in 20 years time, if we’re still in the job. I can imagine being in an RDC waiting room, locked in an individual cell “for our own safety”, dressed head-to-toe in hi-vis jumpsuit, as is industry requirements, wearing a gas mask in case of an ammonia leak. Talking to drivers in the cells next me, about how we remember the good old days when we didn’t have cameras in the cab, we could wear normal coloured clothes, and we could enter sites without being cavity searched at the gate house. The the Wincanton staff unlock you, dressed in full riot gear, in-case the 6-hour time it has taken to tip you causes you to feel a bit aggressive, and you are led to your truck with Rottweilers growling at you, just in case you should exit the pedestrian area. To start your truck, you have to insert an IV into your arm, as your engine won’t start unless your bodily critical functions are normal, your readings being constantly recorded by the machine, as installation of such a device reduced the firms insurance by 0.007p per year, a slight rise in blood glucose prior to an accident, following a prohibited Mars bar being enough to send a driver to prison for 70 years. Still, I’ve got nothing to hide! :wink:

weeto:

Evil8Beezle:

weeto:
So the outward facing dash cam is ok, but the driver one isn’t, even though both could prove the driver innocent in an incident.
It’s easy to see what type of driver would be the main ones to complain about truck mounted cameras by the way they drive their truck on the road.

Maybe your gaffer could fit some in your bedroom to ensure you’re getting enough rest as well mate…
How exactly can a camera facing you show you’re innocent in an accident?

How about the camera filming a driver collapsing at the wheel seconds before ploughing into the back of a line of stationary traffic on the motorway as 1 example.
The camera fitted to the truck I drive is only active when the ignition is on.

That isn’t going to help the dumpster driver who killed six in Glasgow a couple of years back… He slumped over his wheel just before impact. Those with him had no clue how to re-gain control of the vehicle, which smacks of “insufficient safety protocol”. The Train drivers are currently taking action citing “endangering passenger H&S” using a similar H&S argument. If you take a minimum-skilled driver to drive the truck, and put co-workers who don’t even drive in there with him - then disaster is going to beckon. No one seems to be talking about the way that the job of Sanitation Class 2 driver has been de-valued over the years. It’s all about “bums on seats for as little outlay as possible” nowadays. :frowning:

The rail firms would not DREAM of putting in, say an “Agency Train Driver” into one of their passenger locomotives. As far as I know, you don’t even get “Agency Train Drivers” taking empty stock back to sidings and depots at night as it stands!

A lot of people have already died - and will continue to die, because governments and firms continue to “look the wrong way”. Driver-facing Cameras on their own represent part of this “Looking the wrong way” culture as far as I’m concerned. I will drive a truck with a driver-facing camera only ONLY if it has the full-around Cameras on it as well. I want some kind of back-up for pedestrians running out in front of me, other drivers backing into me, and yobbos hurling stuff at my windscreen etc. “All capturable on forward-facing and side-mounted cameras”. It’s “All or None” for me then. :neutral_face:

Winseer:

weeto:

Evil8Beezle:

weeto:
So the outward facing dash cam is ok, but the driver one isn’t, even though both could prove the driver innocent in an incident.
It’s easy to see what type of driver would be the main ones to complain about truck mounted cameras by the way they drive their truck on the road.

Maybe your gaffer could fit some in your bedroom to ensure you’re getting enough rest as well mate…
How exactly can a camera facing you show you’re innocent in an accident?

How about the camera filming a driver collapsing at the wheel seconds before ploughing into the back of a line of stationary traffic on the motorway as 1 example.
The camera fitted to the truck I drive is only active when the ignition is on.

That isn’t going to help the dumpster driver who killed six in Glasgow a couple of years back… He slumped over his wheel just before impact. Those with him had no clue how to re-gain control of the vehicle, which smacks of “insufficient safety protocol”. The Train drivers are currently taking action citing “endangering passenger H&S” using a similar H&S argument. If you take a minimum-skilled driver to drive the truck, and put co-workers who don’t even drive in there with him - then disaster is going to beckon. No one seems to be talking about the way that the job of Sanitation Class 2 driver has been de-valued over the years. It’s all about “bums on seats for as little outlay as possible” nowadays. :frowning:

The rail firms would not DREAM of putting in, say an “Agency Train Driver” into one of their passenger locomotives. As far as I know, you don’t even get “Agency Train Drivers” taking empty stock back to sidings and depots at night as it stands!

A lot of people have already died - and will continue to die, because governments and firms continue to “look the wrong way”. Driver-facing Cameras on their own represent part of this “Looking the wrong way” culture as far as I’m concerned. I will drive a truck with a driver-facing camera only ONLY if it has the full-around Cameras on it as well. I want some kind of back-up for pedestrians running out in front of me, other drivers backing into me, and yobbos hurling stuff at my windscreen etc. “All capturable on forward-facing and side-mounted cameras”. It’s “All or None” for me then. :neutral_face:

It’s a similar thing with air hostesses, or hosts as many are nowadays. Supposedly they are trained to aid a pilot to land an aircraft, should one of the pilots become incapacitated. All it involves is them reading pre and post-landing checklists to the pilot, don’t worry, Lucy from Grimsby doesn’t take the reins of a Boeing 737! :grimacing:

The ones my firm has are front and driver-facing with audio. I’ve often thought that they have more chances catching the driver doing something incriminating, than they do in helping piece-together what actually happened in an accident. For example, someone banged into me from behind in the services yesterday. The cameras are activated by g-force, i.e from bumps, harsh braking, etc, even when the ignition is off, they run constantly. The dashcam wouldn’t have caught any footage, as I was rear-ended, and all the driver camera would have caught was myself lying on the bunk, eating a sandwich. All a dashcam can get is what happens in front of the truck, and all the driver camera can get is footage of the driver. What’s happening around the other 90% of the truck, and the footage what can actually give closure as to what actually happened in an accident is omitted!

But, it’s OK, as the dashcam might stop a few fraudulent insurance claims, such as full families claiming for whiplash, when actually only the driver was in the car, etc, and the driver camera easily puts any sort of blame on the driver, so the suits are happy. The motivation behind them must be money, and savings on insurance. 360 degree camera set-ups are probably just not viable, and at the moment, front and driver cameras are enough to save the boss a few quid, plus it gives Keith from compliance something else to do.

This public all-in mentality I spoke of - you do get members of the public when they’ve say, been in the wrong - “not believing you” when you say “I’ve got the footage stored remotely”. How many people when in the wrong notice the dashcam and REALLY say to plod when he turns up “My fault entirely officer. I’ll be admitting liability, and the insurance companies can deal with this issue.”

If I was plod, I’d still be on the look-out for a possible DD there, with such an amenable person admitting fault straight away - but then that’s my suspicious mind that rendered me “unsuitable for the police” many years ago when I applied.

What does the footage do for driver or collider in THIS circumstance then? The footage would suggest that the person in front rather than behind involved in the collision is the one at fault - but who really gets busted for “causing an accident” rather than “rear ending, automatically at fault” these days?

Conor:

Tris:
No way would I have a camera spying on me. I’d rather give up the job and become a fork truck driver on a set shift pattern.

So if a job at Howdens came up on £43k plus bonuses plus company pension plus company healthcare insurance came up you and the other halfwits would say you’re not interested because the trucks have cameras fitted?

Riiight.

But there are no companies jobs offering £43k + bonus + pension + healthcare are there. I have no objection to forward facing cameras, but will not accept inward facing cameras unless all the office staff are also under CCTV surveillance throughout the course of their working day. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

BILL1961:

Conor:

Tris:
No way would I have a camera spying on me. I’d rather give up the job and become a fork truck driver on a set shift pattern.

So if a job at Howdens came up on £43k plus bonuses plus company pension plus company healthcare insurance came up you and the other halfwits would say you’re not interested because the trucks have cameras fitted?

Riiight.

But there are no companies jobs offering £43k + bonus + pension + healthcare are there. I have no objection to forward facing cameras, but will not accept inward facing cameras unless all the office staff are also under CCTV surveillance throughout the course of their working day. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

But there are companies that pay £43k Howdens being one of them.

weeto:
So the outward facing dash cam is ok, but the driver facing one isn’t, even though both could prove the driver innocent in an incident.
It’s easy to see what type of driver would be the main ones to complain about truck mounted cameras by the way they drive their truck on the road.
It’s just something else forced on the many because of the actions of a few.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd0KQv57Rq0
If you’ve nothing to hide, you’ve nothing to worry about.
Oh and cab hopping as a tramper is a bit crap, but if others are going to be using it whilst your off, your best to empty all your gear out at the end of the week anyway as its likely to go missing, I wouldn’t worry to much about it if the money and vehicles are ok.
I have an allocated truck I use when on shift which will be used used by others when i’m off shift.

I would dispute that, having driven 25 years without so much as a “roundabout prang”. I see it as a gross invasion of privacy having “Driver Facing Only” cameras. I would consider “better wages and conditions” to be the proper way to make judgement on my actual driving - a completely separate issue. As far as tramping is concerned - it don’t pay enough for me to bother with it. I like to be paid for ALL the hours I’m at work - not just “when wheels are a’turnin…” :sunglasses: