Speaking of b/s and propaganda…I seem to remember a BBC documentary featuring a young boy making claims of sorts, who turned out to be in reality the son of some Hamas official…basically acting.
You are illustrating my point from before,.talking about situations of war, from the comfort of your living room, in the context of normal day to day life…and never served or been in that situation.
Neither have I, but I know a few who have,.and they all say the same thing (as above)
There are guys on here better qualified than me to comment on this…(or you) , but I am sure they will.tell you the same as what I am told.
Sometimes rules have to be broken (not referring specifically to this war) where the choice is gain an advantage or maybe end up dead.
It is like everything else in real life/realworld, getting caught is the problem with it.
You are beyond belief.
All of the vehicles were shot up. The vehicles and aid workers were all killed and found partially buried in sand at the roadside,
Surprise! The filming stopped when the owner of the phone was killed himself.
Unlike you, even the IDF now admits to the chain of events now accepted by everyone else in the world. They changed their story when this evidence was shown.
You are defending what the IDF admits was wrong.
Yes. Sometimes rules are broken out of necessity.
That is true.
That does not mean that rules can or should be broken all the time, with no consequences.
No, I disagree.
If rules are broken for good reason, or in the heat of a dangerous situation a poor choice is made, that is understandable.
But if, as above, unarmed civilians are shot on for no apparent reason, and knowing it was wrong a cover-up is attempted, then that is plain wrong.
“Getting caught” is not the issue. Being trigger happy is the problem.
Yep…course ya do.
i guess you havent watched it back just running your mouth with the offical jackonory story
first 19 seconds all you see and hear is arabic being spoken with 3 ambulances at the 12 second mark an unmarked unlit van appears in the bushes the video van is creaping along and clearly doesnt have blues and twos on at the very least. No shots heard no sirens heard.
at the 19 second mark a man jumps out with no uniform on and runs to the dark van. only then do you hear shots fired, he doesnt duck for cover he carries on running others run past the camera as well all with their faces covered. Then it is blured as the camera man starts running from about the 27 second mark a convoy comes across what we are supposed to belive is the same site where people are diffing with heavy machinery looking for the bodies.
if that doesnt convince you there is more… where the unmarked unlit van comes into shot there are two sky scrapers in the middle distance. funny thing is they arent in the rest of the video in day light. notice how the road at night was paved but not when it was day light oh and did you notice how the aid workers were all wearing hi vis and identifiable and there were no shots.
lastly the video title says “Video undermines Israel’s account of aid worker deaths - and suggests…” to bad the warning about upsetting video coverage says they were paramedics isnt it.
remind me not to get a lift from you with observation skills like that
Yes. With headlights and flashing beacons. Contrary to the IDF first claims that they were all unlit.
The well lit up convoy approaches a van stationary at the roadside. There is a figure wearing hi-viz orange on the left. It is illuminated by headlights of the camera vehicle.
How can that be known? The camera is not pointing at the vehicle the cameraman is in.
Even if true, we can see that some or all of the convoy vehicles are well lit. That proves the lie of the IDF. They said the whole convoy was unlit. They did not say some were lit and some weren’t.
I see two figures in dark clothing with faces open.
OK.
A film from a different camera shot from a different angle. However at 36sec there is a glimpse of the horizon and two tall buildings are there. The rest of the video is looking in close at the workers. Since it not showing the horizon it is hardly surprising that the blocks are not in plain sight. If you look at your feet you not see a tower.
The report clearly states that the attacked vehicles were pushed off the road and buried in sand by the Israelis.
So chuffing what?
Not shooting some aid workers, is not proof that all aid workers are safe.
Peter Sutcliffe did not kill over 20 million women. That is not proof he did not kill 13 or more of them.
the van off the road is unlit the stationary ambulances have blues and twos as i said. the video van only has headlights you can see them in the parked ambulance on the right. no blues and twos.
again no convoy noshots no nothing only people running in view of the camera are not in high vis as i said.
wrong again its the same angle or should be… the supposed wrechage being lifted is where the ambulance would of been with your bod in the hi viz. Only thing you can see in the distance is small buildings not gtwo bloody great sky scrapers in the middle ground.
… ill just leave that one there
that include the sky scrapers and the burnt out wreckage when they were only shot at. not to mention that it was a convoy that pulled up in the day time not the night time so they were on the road and you hear them get out the vehicle.
too bad the title said aid workers not paramedics as i said,
complete fail 0/10
warning for the lefties put on ya big girl pants truth about to be spoken.
man speaks the truth about greta thunberg claiming she was kidnapped…
Far better to wear that and be made fun of than to be despised in the playgound for wearing your favoured brown shirts and lederhosen.
nah ill leave the lederhosen for those that want to ban books hate the jews and distroy history and property because it offends them
The element of revenge was made absolutely clear in Harris’ speech.
True to his word the carpet bombing of German cities targetting civilians populations ramped up in 1943. Dresden was just another unlucky random target like all the rest.With the justified backing of the population at home.Which continued among that generation long after the war.
I grew up with that feeling of revenge of that generation obviously added to by personal loss of a Great Aunt and her young child to a German bombing raid which happened ‘after’ Harris’ speech.
My Grandfather then came very close to losing his own family, in addition to his sister and neice previously, to a V2 rocket attack, among other previous raids.
Sent by your, at that time supposedly on their knees calling for surrender, German Socialist Workers mates.
Bearing in mind the 1,000’s killed by V1 and V2 attacks and the over 16,000 casualties caused by those supposedly ‘on their knees’ krauts, to our forces, during the final battle for Northern Italy, in Spring of 1945.
On their knees indeed.
Socialists playing the victim card as a tactic of war nothing new there.
Have we got a veiled accusation of being a Nazi there no less’?
I’m ganna start a points system especially for the bleating lefties when they invariably throw accusations about, and labels when anybody says anything they don’t agree with or, anything slightly right of Karl Marx…
So if you get labeled you get points.
So 10 points for ‘‘Racist’’
…9 points ‘‘Far Right’’.
‘’‘’’ 8 points for actual ’ Right Wing’’
And a whopping 20 points for being labelled a ‘‘Nazi’’.
The last one does not count as it was an implication rather than an accusation…so bad luck Mr Cooper 
Think I’m sitting around the 40 point mark up to press… 
Way I see it it’ss an indication that if you upset the lefties you are doing summet right.
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i was thinking the same thing the other day… the terminology used is a kind of indicator about how true it is and we should have a points system. I do wonder how many have broken their computer or phone throwing it aside in distress
‘They’ seem to have typically tried to whitewash out the facts of the German Socialist Workers Party sharing the same pro Palestine and anti Israel anti Semitic line.
Also the Austrian wall paper hanger’s and his mate Musso’s political origins in German Socialism and Italian Communism respectively.
Also the German Socialist Workers Party’s alliance with the Soviet Union while we were at war against it.
Those Nazis they mean Rob.
Pro Palestine, anti Semitic, anti Israel, is on the Nazi ( German Socialist Workers Party ) and it’s Palestinian allies’ side of history.
Just like Soviet Socialism in 1967 and '73.
One of Trump’s nutters is doing summat nutty. “Which one this time?” you might ask:
RFK has sacked all the vaccine experts from the CDC (sort of US Ministry of Health)
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5341034-rfk-jr-fires-cdcs-independent-vaccine-advisors/
He says it is to “restore faith in vaccines”.
I guess it may please those who rely on faith rather than science, evidence based medicine, and actual facts.
So instead of members from the major US Universities, we will have ??? we don’t know yet?
Faith healers? Experts in holistic crystal therapy?
Nearly a week ago now, but Trump’s Press Sec had a pop at the BBC the other day. She accused them of not doing good research on stories.
Her source, which she seemed proud of, was a student activist on “X”.
Not all Americans are fooled by her and her boss of course, but some will be.
Article on HuffPost including the BBC Verify short video is here. BBC Hits Back At Karoline Leavitt's 'Repeatedly False' Attack On Its Gaza Coverage | HuffPost Latest News
Well you must admit, after the ott reaction to the last overblown bad flu epidemic you can see why…(or maybe YOU can’t after saying that.)
Yeah of course ‘we’ will.
Yep, and rightly so…they do not come anymore lefty biased than the BBC.
Or even maybe she watched BBC news reports herself and has seen what the rest of us see…well the ones they choose to reeport on anyway.
No but many naive Brits are eh? 
I’ll watch your link later if/when I can be arsed.(unless of course it includes that Northern imbecile you follow, he grinds my gears that bloke, irrespective of the content) …but past experience tells me it will be heavily biased towards a lefty agenda and in no way change my opinion…but as many times before, actually confirm it.
saw this on face ache
lefty winger: Do you trust trumps national security to keep americas war plans secret?
politician: Do you trust your mother to fix your hot pockets and turn your game station on every night? 
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