Busy Mr Trump

Look I aint getting into another long winded discussion with a loony lefty…especially about Gaza, who presumably is again towing the line and has a Palestinian flag flying in his back garden :roll_eyes:

Way I see things on this…
Palestine is a terrorist led state who committed an atrocity against young kids last year, bit off more than they can chew,.and are reaping the consequences…in a nutshell.

I wouldnt worry mate,.many will soon be heading over here in dinghys from France heading for their 4 star hotels.
Unless of course you have a bit of spare room in your gaff of course to welcome a couple of them.

Well YOU would say that wouldn’t you.
Or more a realist who speaks his mind without ambiguity, does not gaf if he offends certain types, and holds those types with the contempt they bring on themselves and deserve.
A bit in line with my way of thinking in fact.

A bit like some laugh out loud at you on here you mean?

Yep so can I …but not necessarilly in the same way.:joy:

At last. Something to agree with trump. Except he doesn’t go far enough. He should actually remove citizenship from any child of a mother who herself wasn’t born in the USA, applied consecutively and retrospectively.
That would even things up a lot, and when the first nations people take back control of their country, maybe America can be great again once more.

OK, lets compromise for a short while. You can have citizenship if born to a woman who has been a naturalised citizen for at least 10 years…

heh buddy, compare your link to mine. Mine gives a clear indication of content in two lines.
Your’s as usual for fake social, tells us absolutely nothing, zilch, nada. Which kind of makes it a useless post don’t you think. I have not, nor ever will go onto that fake social. (nor muskrat’s X)

Private criticism of Donald Trump
Barry made few public statements about her younger brother Donald Trump during his first term as president. She died before he was elected for a second term in 2024.[8] In August 2020, their niece Mary L. Trump revealed that she had surreptitiously audio-recorded 15 hours of discussions with Barry in 2018 and 2019. In those recorded discussions, Barry sharply criticized her brother.[8] Mary publicly released several transcripts and audio excerpts of the conversations, including content that did not previously appear in her 2020 book Too Much and Never Enough.[8]

In the recordings, Barry said of her brother, “All he wants to do is appeal to his base. He has no principles. None. His goddamned tweeting and lying… oh my god. I’m talking too freely, but you know. The change of stories. The lack of preparation. The lying. Holy ■■■■. […] It’s the phoniness of it all. It’s the phoniness and this cruelty. Donald is cruel.”[8] She added that he did not read books and had someone take the college entrance exam in his place.[8] In the recordings, Barry also criticized the first Trump administration’s controversial family separation policy for deported migrants, and the bankruptcies of her brother’s businesses, adding that “you can’t trust him”.[8][30][31]
Maryanne Trump Barry - Wikipedia

Quite damning really.

“You can’t trust him”

Totally agree, but mine has more links than yours and hilariously funny with what he comes out with

Bereft of those hilarious links, I shall have to remain a mardy arse then :slight_smile:

I would say that it is interesting to see what Trump is saying to his disciples.
Reading it, is the same as believing it, of course.

Sometimes I laugh at what he says.
Sometimes it is more a sad slow shake of the head, as I realise that some take it all seriously.

A realist? No. A gooby bare faced liar.
Nothing real in the figures he quoted according to independent observers.

Palestine did not make that awful raid.
Some extremists who support the ruling party did.

If some loonies who claim to support the SNP made a raid on the Carlisle would it be OK for the UK to starve all Scots? To bomb hospitals?
There may be a case to go in across borders and punish those responsible, but not to eliminate all of a country.

It looks very like Israel is committing war crimes by carrying out collective punishment of all Gazans.

The more Israel pushes Gazans out then yes, There will be more arriving here.
Trump has said he wants lots of Gazans to leave. He has not offered homes for them in the US.

Yep the Nazis started a whole world war.
The Germans at the end mostly innocent civilians suffered when their country ended up wrecked.
That is un pretty harsh real world stuff not lefty prissy naive ideaology mate.
Deal with it…instead of trying to patronise me with ridiculous analogies.
:roll_eyes:

Yes the Nazis started a world war. The UK and others tried to apply some rules of behaviour to that war.
Although kids were killed, and hospitals hit, those were not the targets being attacked.
Netanyahu is different. He is not just going after the guilty and the fighters he is trying to eliminate all Gazans.
His forces are preventing enough food to enter the country.

“Deal with it” well thank you Mr Roughy Toughy. About the level of constructive debate one would expect from you.

Well thank you Mr pathetic Bedwetter lefty..
About the level of servile rhetoric narrative we ALL expect from you.

So don t get into conversations with me… that would suit me fine.
But you kerp regurgitating lefty crap, I will re.act to it.

So again…Deal with it.

‘‘Thats how a forum works, have you not grasped it yet’’

You dont want gazans in america, they are awful in the uk

Sorry old boy, but yellow card for an error there. Israel didn’t like the previous party in Palestine, Yassar’s PLO/PNA, so they systematically attacked the structure of that party until the Palestinians themselves decided to boot them out. The Israeli security services had sown dissent, accusations that Yasser was both secretly conniving but also extremist, corrupt and living a life of luxury. A traitor to his people as they starved (they were far better off than then now) The Israelis secretly funded several opposing factions and eventually helped none other than Hamas to power.

Except Hamas turned out to be a deadly serious terrorist organisation and not the puppet Israel thought they’d created. Iran had been secretly right under Israeli noses actually running the useful idiots Hamas and guiding them into power. Not long after Hamas takes power, Israel realises it has goofed up yet again and created a monster with proven links to Iran who were prepared to actively fund it, unlike the PLO who had specifically declined funding from arab nations because the PLO and PNA actually wanted a free and independent Palestine, and could live with Israel as a neighbour. Hamas as actually led by Iran wanted to encircle Israel and erase it from history.

So technically, Palestine was responsible, as it did kind of elect Hamas to power, albeit after a campaign similar in deceit to that of erm… Trump, and Brexit to name a few. But the majority of Palestinians don’t support the erasing of Israel, they just want to get on with their own lives. Israel however have shown, oops, I mean the far right in power in Israel have proven that their aim is to eradicate Palestine and take that land for themselves. Nice bit of gas and oil under there too as a bonus, which may… or may not be influencing Trump, the same way he is with Ukraine.

Bottom line. In all wars, to find the guilty, just look at where the money is going. It’s always about the money.

Palestinians need to somehow despite having all of their administrative systems, let alone schools, hospitals etc, to organise themselves and boot Hamas out of power. But Israel’s actions prevent that. In a real sense, it’s like Israel keep handcuffing innocent Palestinians to a Hamas fighter, then telling the innocent to get out of the way before shooting the terrorist, except the innocent cannot get out of the way. And that proves Israel’s actions are tantamount to genocide.

If Israel was serious about only removing Hamas from power and allowing a peaceful Palestinian organisation taking civic control of the country, they’d stop bombing the ■■■■ out of the country, allow food in, and medical aid. You cannot seriously tell me that a country only 140 square miles that has been under consistent military control for decades by the Israelis, can somehow hide thousands of terrorists and their arms, leaving Israel only the nuclear option of carpet bombing the place.

It simply doesn’t add up. Tunnels you say. But Israel have some of the most advanced technology in the world, they lead in covert ops, intelligence gathering, spying technology. Other countries buy their secret service stuff from Israel. The claimed facts from Israel simply do not add up with what we are seeing. But then why am I bothering, if a blatantly obvious narcissist like trump can get away with gaslighting on a galactic scale, so too Israel and the same supporters of Trump will swallow the same lies from Israel.

And the old adage remains, the victorious write the history books.

I don’t want to dance on the head of a pin here…stop me if I am…but… some factions of Hamas were responsible for the unjustified attack on Israeli civilians, but not the Government and not the country of Palestine.

Yes. Agreed.

Agreed, a section of Israel, including Netanyatu, are resolute on pursuing what appears to be a criminal act of genocide.

Hopefully the you is not referring to me! :wink:

Israel (it’s current gov) is making more martyrs, and recruiting more Palestinian sympathisers every day. They are also making inroads into the West Bank.

It is an awful situation, with few totally innocent of blame, but the wrong doing is spiralling all the time.
The current Israeli actions will never produce a lasting peace.

It may feed the hunger for revenge and for valuable land among many but ultimately it is only a fix, not a true answer.

Regretfully, I can’t accept that such a large military scale operation like the raid into Israel could have been planned and executed without the knowledge and agreement of Hamas leaders, even if it was aided and abetted by Iran. Maybe individual government officers and representatives were out of the loop but it must have been a collective decision, else a wise leadership would have seen the cost benefit ratio of events, and rounded up the guilty few and handed them over to Israel for trial and if not prevented the following ongoing atrocity, then at least presented to the world the image of trying to keep it’s house in order making Israel look even more wrong for going to war.

The fact that Hamas leadership did not try to ameliorate the terrible situation has cost them their country.

But then again the nagging conspiracy remains that Israel, or rather extremists within the far right, acting as undercover agents actually guided Hamas into committing the initial atrocity.
Returning to the known facts.

Israel leads in covert surveillance.
Israel has had a considerable controlling military presence in Gaza for decades.
Israel has spent millions fortifying their borders precisely against this sort of large scale attack.
Israel had managed to plant bombs in Hezbollah pagers and walkie talkies years ago.
Israel has repeatedly used mobile phone tracking to guide missiles and drones to assassinate targets.

Given the superiority of Israeli military and intelligence, it is difficult to explain how Hamas could on such a large scale invade Israel and over 2 hours inflict such casualties before Israel with all it’s capability responded. Israel has to accept that observers seeing these facts will ask hard questions. Was it sheer hubris and incompetence that allowed Hamas such an easy initial win, or the greatest betrayal of innocent Israelis, by their leadership ever with a greater prize in sight.

What I don’t understand about the 7/10/23 attacks is how seemingly it went unnoticed for a long time period with a slow reaction time.

If Israel has best security and technology in the world, how become nobody saw the border line was being breached with multiple guard posts along the line?

The para gliders being used, no reaction.

In the television documentary on the Nova attack, the programme played the recordings of the civilians calling the police to get help,the police pretended to not understand what they were saying,they also were being deliberately unhelpful,and shunned away from coming out to the scene, the army took too long to arrive.

Good post…