Well I can honestly say I have never giggled so much at any thread on here before. All the different distorted views and silly opinions.
Piers Morgan is correct…The worlds gone NUTS. 
robroy:
muckles:
robroy:
Ffs
Why?
Only an idiot would think there was some direct corrolation between what is being advertised on a bus and it’s driver, or is it just me who can see the absurdity of all this ■■■■■■■■.If he had a Wonderbra advert on would you think he was a weekend transvestite?
If he had a ■■■■■■ advert would you think he had problems getting it up?
Jeez H.Please read it in context of the rest of it.
The examples you’ve given are commercial adverts, Gay Pride isn’t, it’s a social/political movement, formed to change opinions and laws.
Do you really believe those who have taken to twitter to defend the company and demand the driver is sacked, re-educated etc, would agree with you and defend the company if it had been a Brexit party or UKIP advert on the bus he refused to drive?
I personally don’t agree with, or understand why the driver refused to drive the bus, but some people have deeply held beliefs and provided they are not being offesive, which I don’t think just refusing to drive the bus is, then he should be allowed that point of view, however much you or I might disagree with it.
I still stand by what I said, far too many people are offended and concerned about things that just do not matter in the big picture.
There are far too many real issues to worry about.On a seperate note I was first on the scene of a death crash the other day, one of the victims was 15, it kinda puts things into perspective about what does and what does NOT matter in this life. :
Far too many people getting their thongs in knots over [zb] all.
Can’t disagree with that really, people getting offended by all sorts of things, but that’s both sides of this, the driver and those who’ve taken to the Twittershpere to condemn him because they’re offended by his views.
As I said this should have been settled in the office, not sure if the reason it wasn’t was due to the driver being a plonker and trying to make a point or the management not just going don’t want to drive this bus, then drive the one going to the Larkman, (for the sake of causing controversy from those living there. )
robroy:
Way I see it is live and let live, people have no control over how they were born in any way, being gay to them is as normal as being straight is to me.
I’ve personally no problem with gay people,…and why would I?I admit If I think about it, I maybe aint too keen on what they get up to behind closed doors, but I suppose that is what makes me straight,.and at the end of the day it has nothing to do with me anyway.
If any of my kids told me they were gay, I’m not saying I’d go out celebrating it I admit, …but I do know I would still love him/her and support them.
As for that bus driver, he just sounds like an attention seeking tool.
There are more important things in life to make a fuss about.
I know what you’re saying, I sympathise with those with gay feelings, but, as a Christian, I would have had to refuse to promote LGBT, for us, the Bible lays down the standard, it’s got plenty to say about homosexuality. All through the ages, ■■■■■■■ has been looked on as disgusting, I don’t hate LGBT people, and I don’t discriminate against them, but I can’t promote these things either
Sploom:
robroy:
Way I see it is live and let live, people have no control over how they were born in any way, being gay to them is as normal as being straight is to me.
I’ve personally no problem with gay people,…and why would I?I admit If I think about it, I maybe aint too keen on what they get up to behind closed doors, but I suppose that is what makes me straight,.and at the end of the day it has nothing to do with me anyway.
If any of my kids told me they were gay, I’m not saying I’d go out celebrating it I admit, …but I do know I would still love him/her and support them.
As for that bus driver, he just sounds like an attention seeking tool.
There are more important things in life to make a fuss about.I know what you’re saying, I sympathise with those with gay feelings, but, as a Christian, I would have had to refuse to promote LGBT, for us, the Bible lays down the standard, it’s got plenty to say about homosexuality. All through the ages, ■■■■■■■ has been looked on as disgusting, I don’t hate LGBT people, and I don’t discriminate against them, but I can’t promote these things either
Is driving that bus ‘promoting’ anything?
Or is it against discrimination?
If you take a ‘live and let live’ attitude, aren’t you against discrimination too?
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I’m not having at at you ir anyone else, of course.
Sploom:
robroy:
Way I see it is live and let live, people have no control over how they were born in any way, being gay to them is as normal as being straight is to me.
I’ve personally no problem with gay people,…and why would I?I admit If I think about it, I maybe aint too keen on what they get up to behind closed doors, but I suppose that is what makes me straight,.and at the end of the day it has nothing to do with me anyway.
If any of my kids told me they were gay, I’m not saying I’d go out celebrating it I admit, …but I do know I would still love him/her and support them.
As for that bus driver, he just sounds like an attention seeking tool.
There are more important things in life to make a fuss about.I know what you’re saying, I sympathise with those with gay feelings, but, as a Christian, I would have had to refuse to promote LGBT, for us, the Bible lays down the standard, it’s got plenty to say about homosexuality. All through the ages, ■■■■■■■ has been looked on as disgusting, I don’t hate LGBT people, and I don’t discriminate against them, but I can’t promote these things either
Tbh mate, once somebody starts quoting the Bible, the Khoran or any other work of fiction in any debate or conversation, I just lose interest fast.
Religion is the root of most of the problems in society and has been for centuries …and I want no part of it.
Yes, it could be viewed as discrimination.
But the driver was being asked to participate in promoting something which goes against his conscience, but if you look at the gay cake request that the Belfast Baker refused to make the cake, the court ruled in their favour. They didn’t have to make the cake for the gay couple
robroy:
Sploom:
robroy:
Way I see it is live and let live, people have no control over how they were born in any way, being gay to them is as normal as being straight is to me.
I’ve personally no problem with gay people,…and why would I?I admit If I think about it, I maybe aint too keen on what they get up to behind closed doors, but I suppose that is what makes me straight,.and at the end of the day it has nothing to do with me anyway.
If any of my kids told me they were gay, I’m not saying I’d go out celebrating it I admit, …but I do know I would still love him/her and support them.
As for that bus driver, he just sounds like an attention seeking tool.
There are more important things in life to make a fuss about.I know what you’re saying, I sympathise with those with gay feelings, but, as a Christian, I would have had to refuse to promote LGBT, for us, the Bible lays down the standard, it’s got plenty to say about homosexuality. All through the ages, ■■■■■■■ has been looked on as disgusting, I don’t hate LGBT people, and I don’t discriminate against them, but I can’t promote these things either
Tbh mate, once somebody starts quoting the Bible, the Khoran or any other work of fiction in any debate or conversation, I just lose interest fast.
Religion is the root of most of the problems in society and has been for centuries …and I want no part of it.
OK, fair enough
Franglais:
Sploom:
robroy:
Way I see it is live and let live, people have no control over how they were born in any way, being gay to them is as normal as being straight is to me.
I’ve personally no problem with gay people,…and why would I?I admit If I think about it, I maybe aint too keen on what they get up to behind closed doors, but I suppose that is what makes me straight,.and at the end of the day it has nothing to do with me anyway.
If any of my kids told me they were gay, I’m not saying I’d go out celebrating it I admit, …but I do know I would still love him/her and support them.
As for that bus driver, he just sounds like an attention seeking tool.
There are more important things in life to make a fuss about.I know what you’re saying, I sympathise with those with gay feelings, but, as a Christian, I would have had to refuse to promote LGBT, for us, the Bible lays down the standard, it’s got plenty to say about homosexuality. All through the ages, ■■■■■■■ has been looked on as disgusting, I don’t hate LGBT people, and I don’t discriminate against them, but I can’t promote these things either
Is driving that bus ‘promoting’ anything?
Or is it against discrimination?
If you take a ‘live and let live’ attitude, aren’t you against discrimination too?
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I’m not having at at you ir anyone else, of course.
If you are going to start twisting, analysing and scrutinising my points and choice of words there’s only one answer to that bud…‘‘Whatever’’ . 
robroy:
Franglais:
Sploom:
robroy:
Way I see it is live and let live, people have no control over how they were born in any way, being gay to them is as normal as being straight is to me.
I’ve personally no problem with gay people,…and why would I?I admit If I think about it, I maybe aint too keen on what they get up to behind closed doors, but I suppose that is what makes me straight,.and at the end of the day it has nothing to do with me anyway.
If any of my kids told me they were gay, I’m not saying I’d go out celebrating it I admit, …but I do know I would still love him/her and support them.
As for that bus driver, he just sounds like an attention seeking tool.
There are more important things in life to make a fuss about.I know what you’re saying, I sympathise with those with gay feelings, but, as a Christian, I would have had to refuse to promote LGBT, for us, the Bible lays down the standard, it’s got plenty to say about homosexuality. All through the ages, ■■■■■■■ has been looked on as disgusting, I don’t hate LGBT people, and I don’t discriminate against them, but I can’t promote these things either
Is driving that bus ‘promoting’ anything?
Or is it against discrimination?
If you take a ‘live and let live’ attitude, aren’t you against discrimination too?
.
I’m not having at at you ir anyone else, of course.If you are going to start twisting, analysing and scrutinising my points and choice of words there’s only one answer to that bud…‘‘Whatever’’ .
I was questioning Sploom…
But…whatever…
Many interesting views on this post so far, mine probably isn’t but I’m going to say it anyway.
Some of these interesting views come as a surprise, many don’t.
The argument of age and being brought up in a different age are complete rubbish, you either have an open mind or you don’t. Your age is irrelevant. I’m only a few years behind dozy but have very different views about it, and yes you could reasonably accuse me of being biased, but my point about age still stands.
Many years ago we had laws against homosexuality and lesbianism that were based on the religious bias of our society, we moved on when we realised that such is a ridiculous basis for making laws that effect everyone. If you want a good example of a sector of society forcing their views down your throats look no further than organised religion.
To those who register such disgust at homosexuals please consider that one of the people largely responsible for your freedom to express such views was him self gay, and in a time when it was still illegal. Our society turned a blind eye while he was cracking the German enigma code which helped to enable us to win WW2, and then went after him once that was achieved.
For many years in our lifetimes (the older ■■■■■ amongst us) the LGB sector of society was harassed, abused and generally treated like crap. The T part was even more underground.
Society moved on and after a long painful and very costly fight LGB eventually won the right to coexist without harassment and within the law. Trans took a lot longer to take up that fight, it is only recently that the WHO have reclassified transgender as NOT being a mental health illness.
The problem as I have seen it is in recent years as the trans sector of society have found their voice and a need to fight for legal recognition and wanting to be able to live without fear of persecution then so has another sector of society mostly found on mumsnet and in the letter pages and editorials of The Times and The Mail.
TERF is an acronym I don’t imagine many are familiar with, but no doubt some of the more Neanderthal on here will totally agree with.
Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists point blank refuse to accept any trans female as female, although oddly they couldn’t care about trans men.
As the extreme elements of the TERF movement have become more vocal, more in the public eye so have a section of the trans community grown more extreme to counter them.
Personally I’m of the belief that it is these extreme trans activists that are actually causing as many problems in our society as the TERFs.
It was on my local news a few nights ago that reported trans hate crimes have increased by a silly amount in the last few years, some of these will be genuinely abusive hate crimes, but many aren’t. There is now growing advice within the trans community to report any and all incidents, someone looks at you in an odd way, report it, someone says something behind your back as you walk past, report it. I find it quite astonishing where all this is going.
Rather than helping it is harming the trans community, never will you gat society in general to accept you if they only do so by being scared of being reported.
I came out to the world as trans a good few years ago, and I did it within the transport industry, if I had reported every ‘trans hate crime’ then this industry would really have a driver shortage by now. Of course I didn’t, I got no worse than any other driver who was slightly different to the stereotype truck driver, too fat, too thin, too tall, bald, hair too long, wearing a high viz while driving, choosing your own company while parked in a layby and on and on. All things that have been used to point out one human beings differences over another’s.
I couldn’t care less what drivers call each other, just as I couldn’t care less what people say behind my back, or even to my face. I would obviously have an issue with physical violence but I’d be more likely to report it as a crime on the basis that I’m now visibly physically disabled and think it wouldn’t exactly be a fair fight.
It does sadden me that I can actually understand and have sympathy for some of the less than politically correct views, the extreme trans activists are now shouting anyone down who dares to have a different view, they are doing a great amount of damage to our cause.
A recent example is the discussion about trans women’s competing in Olympic events, whatever they say the harsh reality is they don’t want anyone to say that a natal male body is generally speaking so much stronger and more powerful than a natal females body, even after years of HRT this massive difference will still exist to a point, but still the pro trans extreme activists will shout anybody who dares disagree and accuse those who do as being anti trans and claim trans hate crime. It’s very sad.
Just for the record, all any trans man or woman wants to do is live their life with the same privileges and safety as any other person in our society.
They don’t want to jump into bed with you, they’re not going to try it on with you, and they really don’t need snide comments.
They are actually some of the mentally strongest members of our society, don’t believe me, then go out dressed as the opposite ■■■ in a serious attempt to be treated as such, i.e. Not as a comedy drag act.
Tgtrucker:
Just for the record, all any trans man or woman wants to do is live their life with the same privileges and safety as any other person in our society.
They don’t want to jump into bed with you, they’re not going to try it on with you, and they really don’t need snide comments.
They are actually some of the mentally strongest members of our society, don’t believe me, then go out dressed as the opposite ■■■ in a serious attempt to be treated as such, i.e. Not as a comedy drag act.
Great post but this bit especially. Goes for gay people too. What people don’t realize is you don’t just come out and everything is fine and dandy and that box is ticked off. You come out continually throughout your life and it’s not always easy, esp when you come up against the likes of some on this thread like Bewick who seemingly hate you because of something you had no choice over. More alarming when you consider he was an employer too. Why people like him have such strong views over something that seemingly has no bearing on their lives baffles me. They don’t realise the serious damage their words can do. Thankfully we live in ever more enlightened times and the likes of that are slowly dying away. While LGBT+ kids are still killing themselves over bullying and LGBT+ people get attacked in the street there will be a need for Pride
switchlogic:
Tgtrucker:
Just for the record, all any trans man or woman wants to do is live their life with the same privileges and safety as any other person in our society.
They don’t want to jump into bed with you, they’re not going to try it on with you, and they really don’t need snide comments.
They are actually some of the mentally strongest members of our society, don’t believe me, then go out dressed as the opposite ■■■ in a serious attempt to be treated as such, i.e. Not as a comedy drag act.Great post but this bit especially. Goes for gay people too. What people don’t realize is you don’t just come out and everything is fine and dandy and that box is ticked off. You come out continually throughout your life and it’s not always easy, esp when you come up against the likes of some on this thread like Bewick who seemingly hate you because of something you had no choice over. More alarming when you consider he was an employer too. Thankfully we live in ever more enlightened times and the likes of that are slowly dying away. While LGBT+ kids are still killing themselves over bullying and LGBT+ get attacked in the street there will be a need for Pride
+1
switchlogic:
Tgtrucker:
Just for the record, all any trans man or woman wants to do is live their life with the same privileges and safety as any other person in our society.
They don’t want to jump into bed with you, they’re not going to try it on with you, and they really don’t need snide comments.
They are actually some of the mentally strongest members of our society, don’t believe me, then go out dressed as the opposite ■■■ in a serious attempt to be treated as such, i.e. Not as a comedy drag act.Great post but this bit especially. Goes for gay people too. What people don’t realize is you don’t just come out and everything is fine and dandy and that box is ticked off. You come out continually throughout your life and it’s not always easy, esp when you come up against the likes of some on this thread like Bewick who seemingly hate you because of something you had no choice over. More alarming when you consider he was an employer too. Why people like him have such strong views over something that seemingly has no bearing on their lives baffles me. They don’t realise the serious damage their words can do. Thankfully we live in ever more enlightened times and the likes of that are slowly dying away. While LGBT+ kids are still killing themselves over bullying and LGBT+ people get attacked in the street there will be a need for Pride
One of the saddest realities that society has such a long way to go, amazing that in 2019 you were put into a position having to highlight this…and for me is the key point behind why there are gay parades/ a token few colours on a bus number…because straight people do not get this prejudice period…I have personally ostracized numerous people who I previously thought were sound when they bullied/ demonstrated true hatred of lgbtq . …even in other “professions”, I have seen and still see how they are treated/ prevented promotion way worse than if they are women…ironically one such married “gentleman” was later found charged with cottaging …which gets to the point …bullies are often way more insecure than the victim and therefore perhaps the vocal gay bashers are by default ironically trying to suppress their latent feelings…
Franglais:
Tonymcg:
Just say the driver is catholic and follows his religious beliefs surely he has every right to refuse. So the company is now against his white Male religion.So if he is a Muslim and feels that his religion is also against homosexuality you would support him equally?
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What if he said his religion meant he couldn’t carry women on his bus unless they wore headscarves?
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Ah, your right, I didn’t think of that.
Surely the obvious thing for the bus company to do would have been to allocate the bus to a driver who was already “on the other bus”, so to speak. You have to wonder if they made a deliberate decision to allocate it to the driver least likely to be enamoured of the sentiment simply because that’s what certain managements seem to enjoy doing, or they were possibly looking for a reason to get rid of him.
Harry Monk:
Surely the obvious thing for the bus company to do would have been to allocate the bus to a driver who was already “on the other bus”, so to speak.
Surely the obvious thing would be for the driver to state his objection to the company rather than gobbing off to the customers about it (which, I suspect, is the real reason he was suspended).
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Excellent post Tgrucker.Excellent.
Religous belief is the trump card in being a biggot! My book written nearly 2000 years ago by nomadic goat herders tells me ‘X’ is a sin, therefore, I won’t think about the issue, I’ll just hate them as I’ve been told…
In my book your beliefs are no more important than your choice favourite colour, bloody religion, it’s a cancer of the human race that needs to die so we can evolve!
noisycarl:
Religous belief is the trump card in being a biggot! My book written nearly 2000 years ago by nomadic goat herders tells me ‘X’ is a sin, therefore, I won’t think about the issue, I’ll just hate them as I’ve been told…
In my book your beliefs are no more important than your choice favourite colour, bloody religion, it’s a cancer of the human race that needs to die so we can evolve!
+1
Most religion is based on one thing …The fear of death. 
So they tell themselves if they believe in whatever has been written in whatever guide book, that after death they will…(fill in the blank)
An adult’s version of telling a kid of the rewards he will get if he believes in Santa and The Tooth Fairy.
Most religion is based on one thing …The fear of death.
I am not getting into any religious argument but what an absolute load of twaddle.What an utterly naive comment. You obviously ain’t done any research on religion.