I was looking at a job , taut work , building material , building sites , merchants & farms , so farms , I can see if there building something , but not very often , or not like builders merchants , daily
Nb jobs tramping so waste of time , pity as local
dozy:
I was looking at a job , taut work , building material , building sites , merchants & farms , so farms , I can see if there building something , but not very often , or not like builders merchants , daily
Nb jobs tramping so waste of time , pity as local
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Really■■? “No jobs tramping, so waste of time” Why is day work a waste of time? if local it aint gonna be too early start and most merchants and farms wont want anything after 3 or 4 in the afternoon. If the money is right It sounds far better than 9000hrs a week, parking in a dodgy layby and missing the friday steak dinner for Stobarts.
Fuzrat:
Really■■? “No jobs tramping, so waste of time” Why is day work a waste of time? if local it aint gonna be too early start and most merchants and farms wont want anything after 3 or 4 in the afternoon. If the money is right ANY ZB THING sounds far better than 9000hrs a week, parking in a dodgy layby for Stobarts.
FTFY.
It must be Friday, as Dozy is looking for another job, because he won’t be home for his steak dinner…
This is becoming soooo tedious every Friday. 
Fuzrat:
Why is day work a waste of time?
Because you won’t make decent money without any tax free allowances. Maybe just enough to cover your living costs, the rest is taken away by HMRC. I used to not understand trampers but now I see why they do what they do 
ETS:
Fuzrat:
Why is day work a waste of time?Because you won’t make decent money without any tax free allowances. Maybe just enough to cover your living costs, the rest is taken away by HMRC. I used to not understand trampers but now I see why they do what they do
But your tax free allowance is to pay for your meals and expenses etc etc. Not to be used to feather out your wages!
msgyorkie:
But your tax free allowance is to pay for your meals and expenses etc etc. Not to be used to feather out your wages!
Oh but of course 
ETS:
Fuzrat:
Why is day work a waste of time?Because you won’t make decent money without any tax free allowances. Maybe just enough to cover your living costs, the rest is taken away by HMRC. I used to not understand trampers but now I see why they do what they do
That would apply if night out money had moved with the times and with inflation, if so we would/should be on about 40quid a night…but we ain’t.
I just do nights out as I’ve always seen it as just ‘part of the job’ since I started, I know nothing else, I certainly don’t look upon them as a wage booster, the money is there to subsidise my living exs whilst away, or if I go out for an evening meal somewhere.
In regards to tramping and night money it reads like that there is day men not getting a meal allowance, if some day men are what would be the difference between the two, 15 quid meal allowance for days, 25 quid for night out money, that would seem very unfair
robroy:
ETS:
Fuzrat:
Why is day work a waste of time?Because you won’t make decent money without any tax free allowances. Maybe just enough to cover your living costs, the rest is taken away by HMRC. I used to not understand trampers but now I see why they do what they do
That would apply if night out money had moved with the times and with inflation, if so we would/should be on about 40quid a night…but we ain’t.
I just do nights out as I’ve always seen it as just ‘part of the job’ since I started, I know nothing else, I certainly don’t look upon them as a wage booster, the money is there to subsidise my living exs whilst away, or if I go out for an evening meal somewhere.
This ^^
I usually use the £25 we get to pay for a decent meal in the evening, breakfast in the morning and a coffee at lunchtime. What left over is just that …I never view it as a “wage”
Why would you look for another job when you say you already earn the big money, just no pleasing some [emoji848]
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ETS:
Fuzrat:
Why is day work a waste of time?Because you won’t make decent money without any tax free allowances. Maybe just enough to cover your living costs, the rest is taken away by HMRC. I used to not understand trampers but now I see why they do what they do
Ah I see, 100 quid extra a week for 4 nights eating a ginsters, a manky orange and a warm can of lilt for tea in Dozy land. I’ll stick to my 55-60hrs a week, sleeping in my own bed, eating a home cooked tea every night and get 47k a year for the privilege 
robroy:
Fuzrat:
Really■■? “No jobs tramping, so waste of time” Why is day work a waste of time? if local it aint gonna be too early start and most merchants and farms wont want anything after 3 or 4 in the afternoon. If the money is right ANY ZB THING sounds far better than 9000hrs a week, parking in a dodgy layby for Stobarts.FTFY.
Fuzrat:
Ah I see, 100 quid extra a week for 4 nights eating a ginsters, a manky orange and a warm can of lilt for tea in Dozy land. I’ll stick to my 55-60hrs a week, sleeping in my own bed, eating a home cooked tea every night and get 47k a year for the privilege
How much of that 47 will you get to keep? A notch or two over 30k? And that’s for 55-60hrs a week. i was referring to the noght out PLUS daily meal allowance which Stobart have to compensate for their minimum wage hourly rates. If you can get 15 for food per shift + 25 night money elsewhere on top of your (average or decent) hourly rate you’re going to be taking home more in total and per hour worked compared to a day/night job. Yes, served meals cost more but you don’t have to commute to work and back every day etc. That’s of course if you can stomach the tramping lifestyle in the first place, and since OP is already tramping hence why I think is what he meant by day work is a waste of time. Maybe I thought wrong
ETS:
That’s of course if you can stomach the tramping lifestyle in the first place,
Love the way you put that, some of you day men do have a very distorted view of what it must be like to be a tramper. 
It’s like anything else in life mate, it can be as good or as bad as YOU make it.
I personally could not think of anything worse than doing a 13 hour shift, or worse a 15 hour max, having to drive home to take basically not enough time off, just to drive back in again, and start the whole routine over again…just to say the old day man’s mantra ‘‘I sleep in me OWN bed me’’ 
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If it was a ‘proper job’ like everyone else’s, where you did 8 or 9 hours a day, then and only then I’d consider it.
After saying that,.2 weeks of dozy style craplife tramping would tip me over the edge, if that guy actually is for real, he deserves every penny he makes.
robroy:
ETS:
That’s of course if you can stomach the tramping lifestyle in the first place,
It’s like anything else in life mate, it can be as good or as bad as YOU make it.
I personally could not think of anything worse than doing a 13 hour shift, or worse a 15 hour max, having to drive home to take basically not enough time off, just to drive back in again, and start the whole routine over again…just to say the old day man’s mantra ‘‘I sleep in me OWN bed me’’
If it was a ‘proper job’ like everyone else’s, where you did 8 or 9 hours a day, then and only then I’d consider it.
After saying that,.2 weeks of dozy style craplife tramping would tip me over the edge, if that guy actually is for real, he deserves every penny he makes.
Sure, tramping is preferable to a 12hr+ daily shift but I’d personally have neither. The thought of having to find a place - any place, forget about a ‘decent’ one whatever that means, to park for the night EVERY night is giving me itches, anxiety and stomach cramps. Nothing an envelope with £200 in cash per week couldn’t solve, though 
ETS:
robroy:
ETS:
That’s of course if you can stomach the tramping lifestyle in the first place,
It’s like anything else in life mate, it can be as good or as bad as YOU make it.
I personally could not think of anything worse than doing a 13 hour shift, or worse a 15 hour max, having to drive home to take basically not enough time off, just to drive back in again, and start the whole routine over again…just to say the old day man’s mantra ‘‘I sleep in me OWN bed me’’
If it was a ‘proper job’ like everyone else’s, where you did 8 or 9 hours a day, then and only then I’d consider it.
After saying that,.2 weeks of dozy style craplife tramping would tip me over the edge, if that guy actually is for real, he deserves every penny he makes.Sure, tramping is preferable to a 12hr+ daily shift but I’d personally have neither. The thought of having to find a place - any place, forget about a ‘decent’ one whatever that means, to park for the night EVERY night is giving me itches, anxiety and stomach cramps. Nothing an envelope with £200 in cash per week couldn’t solve, though
Ok…a ‘‘decent’’ parking place is somewhere near town facilities, and/or absolutely nowhere near a lay by or an MSA. , but the latter is good enough to stop for a shower. 
You find these places by experience, but you never find them if you start looking 5 minutes before your time is up, or if you are not prepared to go slightly off route.
No offence but you guys who condemn tramping usually are the ones who have only had 1 maybe 2 nights out, parked in a lay by, rolled out their sleeping bag, in a random truck with no home comforts, and started to eat the dodgy sarnie they have bought half an hour earlier at an MSA for their tea, then slept in their ‘tin box’ as you guys call it, for 9 hours,.and off again.
That ain’t ‘tramping’ it’s a roughing it endurance excercise.
Like you I would also prefer to have neither, but it’s a living.