BREXIT.

[carryfast]

wheelnutt:
How many people do your think can comfortably handle a 10% jump in their cost of living? I mentioned in an earlier post 17 million working people, that is half of the working population have less than a 100 quid left at the end of the month, they couldn’t handle a 10% increase in their cost of living, they would have to do without certain things.

If it’s supposedly just the result of a fall in the value of the pound why are you conveniently not factoring in wage increases.IE domestic price increases without equivalent domestic wage increases isn’t what would be expected of prices increasing because of a currency fall/correction.More like more of the same old spiral of hidden price led inflation without wage increases to compensate to keep the runaway EU gravy train,that keeps the Germans rich at our expense,on the rails.

[the-snowman]

wheelnutt:
The cheap tat just went up in price by 20% and so did a loaf of bread and a spag boll, what do you thing the priorities are going to be??

Cheap tat from China was great when it was just that, cheap. Now that everything is going up in price including that cheap tat it is now longer just a laugh, a joke, a bit of fun, something you could live with or without, it is now eating into your food budget, that cheap tat is becoming a luxury item, a total unnecessary expense.

Take it easy man. Im just joshing with you, trying to lighten things up before you have a meltdown

[wheelnutt]

Carryfast:
If it’s supposedly just the result of a fall in the value of the pound why are you conveniently not factoring in wage increases.IE domestic price increases without equivalent domestic wage increases isn’t what would be expected of prices increasing because of a currency fall/correction.More like more of the same old spiral of hidden price led inflation without wage increases to compensate to keep the runaway EU gravy train,that keeps the Germans rich at our expense,on the rails.

Conveniently forgetting? There won’t be a wage increase the CBI/BOE today released a report that 27,000 companies would go belly up because of Brexit, the cost of each and every companies’ raw materials just went up by 20%, fuel is going to get hit hard, what makes you think that anybody is going to get a pay rise in the next 10 or even 15 years?

Are you paying any attention? Everybody is going to stuggle to make ends meet, companies are doing whatever they can to just survive and you think that a crash in the pound and increased inflation is going to give us a pay rise? Seriously?

This is not about a runaway EU gravy train, this is our pocket book. Forget the EU and Germany, we are in survival mode.

Let me tell you again.

17 million working people have 100 quid left at the end of the month, that has just evaporated.

If we started a poll here I bet you the majority of people here have nothing left at the end of the month and they are juggling the bills just as the paycheck hits the account and they won’t have a lot left when it does.

Now, these people are going to get hit with a 20% increase in their bills, and their employers will be hit with more. What makes you think that the employees are going to be happy as larry because they got rid of the Federalist and what makes you think that the employers are going to swallow that huge increase in their cost so they can pay their employees a little more while they see the demand of their services or products decline?

Again, you are living in cloud cuckoo land CF, this is not how the real world works.

Prices are going up, demand is going down, there isn’t a lot of stretch left in that rubber band.

Forget about these lofty ideals you are still going on about, this is reality. We are all going to get hit by increased prices and a reduced demand for our services and products.

I haven’t even covered the reduction of tax revenue that all of this means and what the government is going to have to do to deal with that aspect…

[carryfast]

wheelnutt:

Carryfast:
We’ve got an opportunity here to reverse our industrial decline by re aligning our trading relationship with the EU,ironically in this case kicked off by a trade war which they want to start because they don’t like us leaving,together with the win win that we can also control the labour supply outside of EU immigration free movement rules.If there is any problem in that it’s that we’ve unfortunately got an ideologically free markets Conservative government playing draughts with the EU when we need a proper anti free markets Eurosceptic Labour government playing chess.Remaining not being an option in either case.

They are not starting a trade war, they don’t have to.

I thought we’re discussing a supposed currency fall caused by fear of Merkel having been told by her puppets among the German bankers to punish us with trade tarrifs for the crime of secession.To which as expected the reply from remainer May is silence.Or have I missed something.

[wheelnutt]

Carryfast:

wheelnutt:

Carryfast:
We’ve got an opportunity here to reverse our industrial decline by re aligning our trading relationship with the EU,ironically in this case kicked off by a trade war which they want to start because they don’t like us leaving,together with the win win that we can also control the labour supply outside of EU immigration free movement rules.If there is any problem in that it’s that we’ve unfortunately got an ideologically free markets Conservative government playing draughts with the EU when we need a proper anti free markets Eurosceptic Labour government playing chess.Remaining not being an option in either case.

They are not starting a trade war, they don’t have to.

I thought we’re discussing a supposed currency fall caused by fear of Merkel having been told by her puppets among the German bankers to punish us with trade tarrifs for the crime of secession.To which as expected the reply from remainer May is silence.Or have I missed something.

We are not discussing your fairy tale ideas, we are stating facts, this is what is going on right now, today. Forget all your BS spouting rubbish about your ideal government and how everyone in Europe is out to get us.

We voted out, done. Now we are living with the consequences. Real life, not some utopia in the back of your shrivelled up brain, this is what is happening to us, now, here.

The pound has crashed and is still crashing I am just sharing with you what that means for us mere mortals living here in the today, the here and now.

Lofty ideas are behind us, we are dealing and living the fallout. Who gives a hoot about Federalists, puppets and fear of Merkel.

Nobody has done anything to us (yet), we voted and that’s all we did, we haven’t left, we didn’t trigger any bloomin article, but freakin heck we are paying for it, we are seeing that the project Fear was actually pretty subdued, as always real life is a lot harder and tougher.

We are talking about feeding our kids, keeping a roof over our head and the security of our jobs. That EU and Federalist crap, all that was fine for the arguments when we voted. We did, now we are seeing what it looks like on the other side of the glass, and so far it ain’t very pretty.

You are so far removed from reality I am starting to wonder what meds you are on and whether you are still taking them.

[the-snowman]

The-Snowman:
[ Im just joshing with you, trying to lighten things up

wheelnutt:
Conveniently forgetting? There won’t be a wage increase the CBI/BOE today released a report that 27,000 companies would go belly up because of Brexit, the cost of each and every companies’ raw materials just went up by 20%, fuel is going to get hit hard, what makes you think that anybody is going to get a pay rise in the next 10 or even 15 years?

Are you paying any attention? Everybody is going to stuggle to make ends meet, companies are doing whatever they can to just survive and you think that a crash in the pound and increased inflation is going to give us a pay rise? Seriously?

This is not about a runaway EU gravy train, this is our pocket book. Forget the EU and Germany, we are in survival mode.

Let me tell you again.

17 million working people have 100 quid left at the end of the month, that has just evaporated.

If we started a poll here I bet you the majority of people here have nothing left at the end of the month and they are juggling the bills just as the paycheck hits the account and they won’t have a lot left when it does.

Now, these people are going to get hit with a 20% increase in their bills, and their employers will be hit with more. What makes you think that the employees are going to be happy as larry because they got rid of the Federalist and what makes you think that the employers are going to swallow that huge increase in their cost so they can pay their employees a little more while they see the demand of their services or products decline?

Again, you are living in cloud cuckoo land CF, this is not how the real world works.

Prices are going up, demand is going down, there isn’t a lot of stretch left in that rubber band.

Forget about these lofty ideals you are still going on about, this is reality. We are all going to get hit by increased prices and a reduced demand for our services and products.

I haven’t even covered the reduction of tax revenue that all of this means and what the government is going to have to do to deal with that aspect…

And failing miserably it would seem…

[wheelnutt]

The-Snowman:

The-Snowman:
[ Im just joshing with you, trying to lighten things up

wheelnutt:
Conveniently forgetting? There won’t be a wage increase the CBI/BOE today released a report that 27,000 companies would go belly up because of Brexit, the cost of each and every companies’ raw materials just went up by 20%, fuel is going to get hit hard, what makes you think that anybody is going to get a pay rise in the next 10 or even 15 years?

Are you paying any attention? Everybody is going to stuggle to make ends meet, companies are doing whatever they can to just survive and you think that a crash in the pound and increased inflation is going to give us a pay rise? Seriously?

This is not about a runaway EU gravy train, this is our pocket book. Forget the EU and Germany, we are in survival mode.

Let me tell you again.

17 million working people have 100 quid left at the end of the month, that has just evaporated.

If we started a poll here I bet you the majority of people here have nothing left at the end of the month and they are juggling the bills just as the paycheck hits the account and they won’t have a lot left when it does.

Now, these people are going to get hit with a 20% increase in their bills, and their employers will be hit with more. What makes you think that the employees are going to be happy as larry because they got rid of the Federalist and what makes you think that the employers are going to swallow that huge increase in their cost so they can pay their employees a little more while they see the demand of their services or products decline?

Again, you are living in cloud cuckoo land CF, this is not how the real world works.

Prices are going up, demand is going down, there isn’t a lot of stretch left in that rubber band.

Forget about these lofty ideals you are still going on about, this is reality. We are all going to get hit by increased prices and a reduced demand for our services and products.

I haven’t even covered the reduction of tax revenue that all of this means and what the government is going to have to do to deal with that aspect…

And failing miserably it would seem…

Yup. CF is so far removed from reality you wonder what bloody planet he is living on or what chemically enhanced state he is experiencing.

I know; attack the post not the poster…

[carryfast]

wheelnutt:

Carryfast:
If it’s supposedly just the result of a fall in the value of the pound why are you conveniently not factoring in wage increases.IE domestic price increases without equivalent domestic wage increases isn’t what would be expected of prices increasing because of a currency fall/correction.More like more of the same old spiral of hidden price led inflation without wage increases to compensate to keep the runaway EU gravy train,that keeps the Germans rich at our expense,on the rails.

Conveniently forgetting? There won’t be a wage increase the CBI/BOE today released a report that 27,000 companies would go belly up because of Brexit, the cost of each and every companies’ raw materials just went up by 20%, fuel is going to get hit hard, what makes you think that anybody is going to get a pay rise in the next 10 or even 15 years?

Are you paying any attention? Everybody is going to stuggle to make ends meet, companies are doing whatever they can to just survive and you think that a crash in the pound and increased inflation is going to give us a pay rise? Seriously?

This is not about a runaway EU gravy train, this is our pocket book. Forget the EU and Germany, we are in survival mode.

Let me tell you again.

17 million working people have 100 quid left at the end of the month, that has just evaporated.

If we started a poll here I bet you the majority of people here have nothing left at the end of the month and they are juggling the bills just as the paycheck hits the account and they won’t have a lot left when it does.

Now, these people are going to get hit with a 20% increase in their bills, and their employers will be hit with more. What makes you think that the employees are going to be happy as larry because they got rid of the Federalist and what makes you think that the employers are going to swallow that huge increase in their cost so they can pay their employees a little more while they see the demand of their services or products decline?

Again, you are living in cloud cuckoo land CF, this is not how the real world works.

Prices are going up, demand is going down, there isn’t a lot of stretch left in that rubber band.

Forget about these lofty ideals you are still going on about, this is reality. We are all going to get hit by increased prices and a reduced demand for our services and products.

I haven’t even covered the reduction of tax revenue that all of this means and what the government is going to have to do to deal with that aspect…

By your own ideas the country would obviously have ended up an economic basket case going from the pre EEC 2.5 Swiss Francs to the figure of 1.46.I make that a bit more than 20%.To which your answer is more EU.No surprise the remainers can gloss over the issue when it suits them.

As for reduced demand since when did a fall in the value of the currency mean less demand for exports as opposed to more.

[wheelnutt]

Carryfast:

wheelnutt:

Carryfast:
If it’s supposedly just the result of a fall in the value of the pound why are you conveniently not factoring in wage increases.IE domestic price increases without equivalent domestic wage increases isn’t what would be expected of prices increasing because of a currency fall/correction.More like more of the same old spiral of hidden price led inflation without wage increases to compensate to keep the runaway EU gravy train,that keeps the Germans rich at our expense,on the rails.

Conveniently forgetting? There won’t be a wage increase the CBI/BOE today released a report that 27,000 companies would go belly up because of Brexit, the cost of each and every companies’ raw materials just went up by 20%, fuel is going to get hit hard, what makes you think that anybody is going to get a pay rise in the next 10 or even 15 years?

Are you paying any attention? Everybody is going to stuggle to make ends meet, companies are doing whatever they can to just survive and you think that a crash in the pound and increased inflation is going to give us a pay rise? Seriously?

This is not about a runaway EU gravy train, this is our pocket book. Forget the EU and Germany, we are in survival mode.

Let me tell you again.

17 million working people have 100 quid left at the end of the month, that has just evaporated.

If we started a poll here I bet you the majority of people here have nothing left at the end of the month and they are juggling the bills just as the paycheck hits the account and they won’t have a lot left when it does.

Now, these people are going to get hit with a 20% increase in their bills, and their employers will be hit with more. What makes you think that the employees are going to be happy as larry because they got rid of the Federalist and what makes you think that the employers are going to swallow that huge increase in their cost so they can pay their employees a little more while they see the demand of their services or products decline?

Again, you are living in cloud cuckoo land CF, this is not how the real world works.

Prices are going up, demand is going down, there isn’t a lot of stretch left in that rubber band.

Forget about these lofty ideals you are still going on about, this is reality. We are all going to get hit by increased prices and a reduced demand for our services and products.

I haven’t even covered the reduction of tax revenue that all of this means and what the government is going to have to do to deal with that aspect…

By your own ideas the country would obviously have ended up an economic basket case going from the pre EEC 2.5 Swiss Francs to the figure of 1.46.I make that a bit more than 20%.To which your answer is more EU.No surprise the remainers can gloss over the issue when it suits them.

As for reduced demand since when did a fall in the value of the currency mean less demand for exports as opposed to more.

Who gives a hoot about the Swissy, we live in the UK and get paid in the Queens shilling.

Exports have to be manufactured, they aren’t plucked from the air, the cost of raw materials have gone up, we are only exporting now because we are getting rid of our inventory, once we start having to pay 20% more for importing our raw materials and then have to pay more fuel to transport it to our factories, then have to produce it with more expensive energy, using other more expensive imported components and materials in a building that saw an increase in business rates last month and then have to transport it back to the ports in lorries that burn more expensive fuel and then ship it overseas in dollar valued ships that cost us more in pounds, our domestically produced widget isn’t so competitive anymore. We haven’t even talked about building the bloomin factory in the first place as we are a service driven economy.

[carryfast]

wheelnutt:
Yup. CF is so far removed from reality you wonder what bloody planet he is living on or what chemically enhanced state he is experiencing.

I know; attack the post not the poster…

Let’s get this right the EEC/EU has seen us go from a net exporter to Europe to a net importer and the value of the pound from 2.5 CHF to less than 1.5,huge transfer of our industrial wealth creating sectors to Europe especially Germany.People looking for food in food banks because they don’t earn enough to feed themselves together with examples like Greece.In addition to loss of sovereignty and democratic accountability.To which your answer is more zb EU.On that note what bleeding galaxy are you living in because it certainly ain’t this one.

[wheelnutt]

Carryfast:

wheelnutt:

The-Snowman:

The-Snowman:
[ Im just joshing with you, trying to lighten things up

wheelnutt:
Conveniently forgetting? There won’t be a wage increase the CBI/BOE today released a report that 27,000 companies would go belly up because of Brexit, the cost of each and every companies’ raw materials just went up by 20%, fuel is going to get hit hard, what makes you think that anybody is going to get a pay rise in the next 10 or even 15 years?

Are you paying any attention? Everybody is going to stuggle to make ends meet, companies are doing whatever they can to just survive and you think that a crash in the pound and increased inflation is going to give us a pay rise? Seriously?

This is not about a runaway EU gravy train, this is our pocket book. Forget the EU and Germany, we are in survival mode.

Let me tell you again.

17 million working people have 100 quid left at the end of the month, that has just evaporated.

If we started a poll here I bet you the majority of people here have nothing left at the end of the month and they are juggling the bills just as the paycheck hits the account and they won’t have a lot left when it does.

Now, these people are going to get hit with a 20% increase in their bills, and their employers will be hit with more. What makes you think that the employees are going to be happy as larry because they got rid of the Federalist and what makes you think that the employers are going to swallow that huge increase in their cost so they can pay their employees a little more while they see the demand of their services or products decline?

Again, you are living in cloud cuckoo land CF, this is not how the real world works.

Prices are going up, demand is going down, there isn’t a lot of stretch left in that rubber band.

Forget about these lofty ideals you are still going on about, this is reality. We are all going to get hit by increased prices and a reduced demand for our services and products.

I haven’t even covered the reduction of tax revenue that all of this means and what the government is going to have to do to deal with that aspect…

And failing miserably it would seem…

Yup. CF is so far removed from reality you wonder what bloody planet he is living on or what chemically enhanced state he is experiencing.

I know; attack the post not the poster…

Let’s get this right the EU has seen us go from a net exporter to Europe to a net importer and the value of the pound from 2.5 CHF to less than 1.5,huge transfer of our industrial wealth creating sectors to Europe especially Germany.People looking for food in food banks because they don’t earn enough to feed themselves together with examples like Greece.In addition to loss of sovereignty and democratic accountability.To which your answer is more zb EU.On that note what bleeding galaxy are you in because it certainly ain’t this one.

Seriously■■?

Muppet.

[carryfast]

wheelnutt:

Carryfast:
Yup. CF is so far removed from reality you wonder what bloody planet he is living on or what chemically enhanced state he is experiencing.

I know; attack the post not the poster…

Let’s get this right the EU has seen us go from a net exporter to Europe to a net importer and the value of the pound from 2.5 CHF to less than 1.5,huge transfer of our industrial wealth creating sectors to Europe especially Germany.People looking for food in food banks because they don’t earn enough to feed themselves together with examples like Greece.In addition to loss of sovereignty and democratic accountability.To which your answer is more zb EU.On that note what bleeding galaxy are you in because it certainly ain’t this one.

Seriously■■?

Muppet.
[/quote]
Yes seriously.No surprise that the typically expected remain level of intelligence has to resort to personal attacks because it can’t put up an intelligent argument to back its bs position.That’s why your lot lost the referendum get over it.

[carryfast]

wheelnutt:
Who gives a hoot about the Swissy, we live in the UK and get paid in the Queens shilling.

I was actually referring to the difference in the value of the pound v Swiss Franc pre v post EEC/EU membership which you’ve obviously conveniently missed.But we can also use the US dollar if you want still 2.4 pre EEC v 1.5 in 2010.Strange how you’re so keen to make the point of the present situation of a supposed falling pound because of supposed Brexit in that regard while ignoring anything which doesn’t suit.Like the fact that EEC/EU membership turned us into a banana republic to keep the Krauts happy and rich and pay for zb’d up US foreign policy.

[dolph]

Carryfast:

The-Snowman:

Carryfast:
As I said how do we possibly lose in a situation in which they hit our fewer exports to them with tarrifs and we hit their massively more exports to us with quotas in return.Thereby creating a protected domestic market for domestic producers which more than compensates for any supposed lost exports.

Sounds a bit like cutting off your nose to spite your face to me. In my opinion, you hit the exports with huge tarrifs, they stop buying them. Hit their imports to us with quotas, the price rises due to shortage. Im no economist but that sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.
I think our PM is going about it the right way. Try to do things as amicable as possible rather than “[zb] with us and we’ll [zb] with you” mentality.

It’s ‘them’ who want to start a trade war buy hitting ‘our’ few ‘exports’ ‘to’ ‘them’ with tarrifs for the crime of secession.In which case how is ‘retaliating’ in the form of quotas on ‘their’ ‘exports’ ‘to’ ‘us’ supposedly cutting off ‘our’ nose to spite ‘our’ face.It won’t cause shortages it will just create pressures for domestic industry to meet the shortfall in German imports.How do we supposedly lose in that trading environment.

I keep reading this “crime of succession”, thats not true. You are the one who always wanted more privileges then others, you voted for brexit, and now are scared to trigger article 50.
EU doesnt want to punish you, but to keep its economy stronger. You decided to leave a club, but want to keep the membership goodies(access to EU market), EU is telling you - its not happening. You cant pick and choose which EU founding principles to follow. Either you are a member or not, if not then “hard” Brexit and be done with it. Where are your balls…
Go trade with the whole world, find new horizon, deport us all, put 350 mil back to NHS, stop buying German cars and French wine

But what you(UK Gov) did today with Montenegro is a spit in the face, again you prove as selective and untrustworthy member. Then you wonder why Europeans dont like you…

[carryfast]

Dolph:
I keep reading this “crime of succession”, thats not true. You are the one who always wanted more privileges then others, you voted for brexit, and now are scared to trigger article 50.
EU doesnt want to punish you, but to keep its economy stronger. You decided to leave a club, but want to keep the membership goodies(access to EU market), EU is telling you - its not happening. You cant pick and choose which EU founding principles to follow. Either you are a member or not, if not then “hard” Brexit and be done with it. Where are your balls…
Go trade with the whole world, find new horizon, deport us all, put 350 mil back to NHS, stop buying German cars and French wine

But what you(UK Gov) did today with Montenegro is a spit in the face, again you prove as selective and untrustworthy member. Then you wonder why Europeans dont like you…

On the issue of any state having voted to leave the EU both sides are as bad as each other in this case.Not surprisingly the Germans don’t want to let us go without a fight while the UK government’s commitment to implementing the referendum vote varies between Bob Hope and No hope.Which is why Cameron made sure that a remainer ended up as MP and second in command.While at best we’ve got a so called ‘Leave’ group that is equally committed to dragging the whole thing out for as long as possible probably because they aren’t as committed in that regard as they pretend to be.As for Montenegro why would the EU wish to involve the UK government in the decision or subject it to the result of it.

IE the problem is with article 50 in having obviously been drafted to make it easier for any state government to defy any referendum vote to leave the EU where that government disagrees with the electorate’s decision,by not making it compulsory to invoke it immediately in the event of any referendum vote to leave.Or for that matter the issue of any member state not taking part in or being bound by,EU decisions and treaties from that point.

As for the issue of access to the so called single market as a non EU member as I said that’s a different matter of EU blackmail of trade for sovereignty which needs to be smashed.In this case preferably with us tearing up article 50,walking away and then joining EFTA then negotiating EFTA access to the EU single market no strings attached.That’s nothing to do with EU rules or preferential treatment at that point.It’s common sense for all concerned.But if Germany really wants a trade war at that point you’re right May certainly won’t have the balls or even the wish to give them one.Which is why at best we’ll be lumbered with EEA membership status which is what this whole remain agenda is about.In which case the bs Montengro issue is obviously just a pretend diversion for domestic consumption which the FO has no intention of going through with and put up by May to fool the naive wavering so called ‘Leave’ Cons.Bearing in mind that they could have just said we’ve got no objection to letting Montenegro join but we obviously won’t be subject to any free movement regards same as part of our article 50 submission made at the same point in time.

[winseer]

wheelnutt:

OVLOV JAY:
The pound is fluctuating with every murmur, as it’s controlled by the very same money people who want to safeguard their lifestyles and stay in. Same happened with the erm, it happens every time there’s a general election, it happened before and after the vote, it’s happened with the announcement of a date for article 50, and it will sure as hell happen in march. It always levels back out, and will continue in the future. The money men are just playing a massive game of chicken with the government. Hoping to force a u turn. I was always one of the realist brexiteers. And still am. I know it’ll be tough for a good 5 years, but up to now, even with devaluation etc, I’ve not noticed a change in how far my money goes. I think life will always be hard for anyone lazy enough to want everything at a convenience. Book the whole holiday at Thomas Cook, do all the shopping in Tesco etc. If you’re thrifty with a pound, you’ll be ok. No buyers remorse here, and still the same optimism I had before the vote. It’s gonna be a long bumpy road, but the final destination will all be worth it

Fluctuate a bit? It is at an 168 year low against the basket and 37 year low against the dollar, the currency market is a 5 trillion dollar market per DAY and you think that money men just push it down for the heck of it?

This drop against the dollar from 1.50 to 1.22 has caused trillions to flow out of the pound into the dollar. EVERY commodity in the world no matter where it is grown/found or dug up is priced in dollars and against the dollar we just dopped 20%, that makes everything we buy in pounds 20% more expensive in just 100 days… go think about that one a bit before you say it is just fluctuation, or just the money men…

You can’t just sell a pound, you need to exchange it for something else, in this case mostly dollars, so how would a money man profit from it? This is an escape from Armageddon, nobody with a right mind will want to hold pounds right now, that means there is no money flowing into the country, no investments.

Have a look at the M3 money supply and the Target2 data and you wont just brush it away as minor fluctuation and money men trying to enrich themselves.

Let me state it again, 168 year low, that is not fluctuation.

No one worries about the pound falling 2% each first friday of the month when “another good non-farm payrolls” number is released in America.
I’m sick of seeing falls in the pound NOW considered “something more than usual” when the pound was lower (basket) in 1992 after black wednesday, and actually reached parity with the dollar when Nigel Lawson was chancellor back in the 80’s.

The comeback in sterling after it reached parity - was down to the property market boom, followed by a stock market crash, and Labour remaining unelectable.

Since Politicians are showing no real interest in getting Brexit done (or don’t know how…) it is the public’s duty to limit the damage.
This can be done by weaning oneself off overtly foreign goods, having staycations rather than now-more-expensive holidays abroad, and refusing to let anyone rip you off using “Brexit” as an excuse.

“Make do and Mend” has become “Put up and shut up” or “It’s done. Now get on with it”.
Remoaners get another chance at the next election, where they can show their disdain for our Tory government by electing the gorilla that escaped from London Zoo yesterday.

[wheelnutt]

UK on verge of losing reserve currency status. Oh yeah all is well in the UK post brexit.

But heh let’s compare us to the Swiss in the 80’s and keep our heads stuck in the sand.

telegraph.co.uk/business/201 … brexit-ha/

And for those that do care, Gilts dropping below 127 and yields highest since June. So not only is the pound crashing it is now a lot more expensive to borrow for the government.

And don’t forget 800% of our current account receipts worth of debt is due for refinancing in the next 12 months. Of course that is all now at a higher cost also. So not only are we facing inflation both on the input and the output cycle, the cost of our debt is increasing and it is costing us a lot more to refinance what is coming due.

[dolph]

So much for trading with the commonwealth

Australia’s trade minister has told the UK that any post-Brexit trade deal between the nations will have to wait for his country to complete parallel negotiations with the European Union.

Steven Ciobo said it would most likely be at least two-and-a-half years before formal Australia-UK talks could begin, as Britain would have to complete its exit from the EU before this happened.
theguardian.com/politics/20 … even-ciobo

[the-snowman]

Wheelnutt & Dolph -
Will you two calm down for ■■■■■ sake.
No one expected this to be smooth. No one thought it would be done over night. No one expected all other countries to be showing their hand and offering sweetheart deals to trade with them. No one thought it would be all rosy and peachy immedietly after the vote. No one expected the pound to rocket. No one expected to be £2K a month better off four months after the result
The way you two are carrying on is pretty pathetic.
Wheelnutt sounds like he’s one more bit of bad news away from roaming the streets with a sandwich board round his neck and ringing a bell and Dolph seems to be furious that no one from this site has secured any deals with other countries and is blaming us for it

[ovlov_jay]

The-Snowman:
Wheelnutt & Dolph -
Will you two calm down for [zb] sake.
No one expected this to be smooth. No one thought it would be done over night. No one expected all other countries to be showing their hand and offering sweetheart deals to trade with them. No one thought it would be all rosy and peachy immedietly after the vote. No one expected the pound to rocket. No one expected to be £2K a month better off four months after the result
The way you two are carrying on is pretty pathetic.
Wheelnutt sounds like he’s one more bit of bad news away from roaming the streets with a sandwich board round his neck and ringing a bell and Dolph seems to be furious that no one from this site has secured any deals with other countries and is blaming us for it

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Calm down dears