anon84679660:
Exclusive: leaked recording shows what Theresa May really thinks about BrexitSecret audio of Goldman Sachs talk in May shows she feared businesses would leave and wanted the UK to take a lead in Europe
Big shock May is a Europhile remainer.Yes we knew that before and during the EU referendum campaign.You do know that we’ve since had the referendum and remain lost it. 
I ended up having a debate in a local shop with some guy who i don’t know, about Brexit, all started by the weak pound , and him blaming Brexit,
He also thinks that the banking industry pays the most in income tax,really i thought as I’m sure that most hide their wealth away in offshore accounts and are paying nowhere near what they should be paying into the pot,
And he has bought into the scare stories that prices will go up and we will be worse off after Brexit, I pointed out that we won’t be paying billions into the EU club every day and getting little back for it, he then piped up about EU investment in some UK cities like Liverpool and in the north east, and then whined about Nissan leaving the UK , yadda yadda so he basically confirmed what i had said about us paying in more a lot more than we get back from the EU,And then told him that he had fallen for the msm propaganda about brexit that the establishment would like everyone to believe, and the longer we remain the worse it is going to be
tommy t:
I ended up having a debate in a local shop with some guy who i don’t know, about Brexit, all started by the weak pound , and him blaming Brexit,
He also thinks that the banking industry pays the most in income tax,really i thought as I’m sure that most hide their wealth away in offshore accounts and are paying nowhere near what they should be paying into the pot,
And he has bought into the scare stories that prices will go up and we will be worse off after Brexit, I pointed out that we won’t be paying billions into the EU club every day and getting little back for it, he then piped up about EU investment in some UK cities like Liverpool and in the north east, and then whined about Nissan leaving the UK , yadda yadda so he basically confirmed what i had said about us paying in more a lot more than we get back from the EU,And then told him that he had fallen for the msm propaganda about brexit that the establishment would like everyone to believe, and the longer we remain the worse it is going to be
Remainers are just using bs economic arguments to cover their real agenda which is a liking for dictatorial Federal government.On that note tell them that you’d support remain on the condition of a Confederal Europe that transfers powers from the commissioners to the MEP’s and removes qualified majority Federal vote in favour of national opt out and substitution and then see what they say. 
Even now, at this late stage - The EU, most of the rest of the world, and Remainers still think we should be “Punished” for “attempting” to leave the EU.
I always imagined that attempting to leave NATO would be like this, but not some expensive-to-be-in trading club that makes a fortune for our trading partners, but costs us a packet that needs ever-more QE to plug the gap of.
What happened in Greece tells us what happens to Britain if we think for one minute that going down on our knees, and resuming our proverbial oral administrations to the wider international community - would actually benefit Britain beyond the top 1%.
A lot of us in the transport industry “work in jobs that were supposed to be under threat if we did Brexit”.
I dunno about the rest of you folks - but things have actually got a lot BETTER in the months since the referendum…
Even if this is only “Temporary” like so many threaten - I’m quite happy to lap up every drop of such “disappearing prosperity” that I can get - and cross the “doom and gloom” bridge when I come to it.
I’ve not been abroad for my holidays for over a decade - so the weak pound doesn’t affect me at all.
My job isn’t going, despite Cleggy saying that “For 3-4m of us working in the EU import businesses - it would”.
It would not cost the EU financially if we genuinely had a free trade arrangement. Trouble is for them, it WOULD cost politically - since if we got “no downside” from Brexit - every other “more prosperous” of the EU nations would ALSO want to quit the EU, on the basis that they, too, would benefit from such independence. That would leave just Germany paying in for the other net-taking-out states, and the entire EU politic collapses.
SO they try and “Punish us” for doing what is obviously the right thing for Britain to do.
What continues to motivate those Remainers who did NOT actually benefit from being IN I wonder?
It makes sense for those getting an EU subsidy to be on that side - but what about those who are not actually affected one way or the other? - Or those who thought they would lose out if we left, but have clearly since been proven wrong? - WHY hasn’t their opinion changed as of yet?
Winseer:
Even now, at this late stage - The EU, most of the rest of the world, and Remainers still think we should be “Punished” for “attempting” to leave the EU.
What continues to motivate those Remainers who did NOT actually benefit from being IN I wonder?
It’s obvious that their problem is an ideological preference for dictatorial Federal rule and with it an abhorrence of the idea of secession.IE the economic arguments put up by the remainers are a red herring to cover their real agenda.The remain agenda having the grubby paw prints of US foreign policy and dirty tricks all over it for obvious domestic reasons.
Carryfast:
Winseer:
Even now, at this late stage - The EU, most of the rest of the world, and Remainers still think we should be “Punished” for “attempting” to leave the EU.
What continues to motivate those Remainers who did NOT actually benefit from being IN I wonder?It’s obvious that their problem is an ideological preference for dictatorial Federal rule and with it an abhorrence of the idea of secession.IE the economic arguments put up by the remainers are a red herring to cover their real agenda.The remain agenda having the grubby paw prints of US foreign policy and dirty tricks all over it for obvious domestic reasons.
That’s like saying “I want to be murdered by a bona-fide escaped convicted murderer” rather than run through by some random boy racer in an argument about "who’s spoilers look best?
It galls me that the only people who can understand the merits of “a system that does nothing for you personally” is a complete idiot.
“Idiocy” is therefore the growth industry in this country now. Ignore that trend at your peril!
It’s on our job adverts already:
“Commute at cost to a job that pays so low that you’ll lose money going to work each week.”
Winseer:
Carryfast:
Winseer:
Even now, at this late stage - The EU, most of the rest of the world, and Remainers still think we should be “Punished” for “attempting” to leave the EU.
What continues to motivate those Remainers who did NOT actually benefit from being IN I wonder?It’s obvious that their problem is an ideological preference for dictatorial Federal rule and with it an abhorrence of the idea of secession.IE the economic arguments put up by the remainers are a red herring to cover their real agenda.The remain agenda having the grubby paw prints of US foreign policy and dirty tricks all over it for obvious domestic reasons.
That’s like saying “I want to be murdered by a bona-fide escaped convicted murderer” rather than run through by some random boy racer in an argument about "who’s spoilers look best?
It galls me that the only people who can understand the merits of “a system that does nothing for you personally” is a complete idiot.
To a Federalist it’s the Federal government system that is the goal and is their idea of ‘doing something for them personally’.In just the same way that local government and local democracy is the goal and doing something personally for an anti Federalist.IE this isn’t an economic argument this is an ideological one.
As we’ve seen in the case of the SNP and LibDems Federalists are prepared to lie,by pretending to support local democracy,to further their actual Federal government agenda.Whether it be Sturgeon taking advantage of local democracy to over turn a national referendum decision in order to impose EU Federal rule.
Or the MP for ■■■■■■■ taking advantage of local issues like airport expansion in the South East in order to over turn a National referendum decision for Brexit and in support of EU Federal rule.While obviously having no interest in the local issues which he pretends to support.
UK GDP numbers just came out for last quarter, they are just preliminary but still beat expectations.
Looks like we are muddling through. Finally a bit of good news.
Let’s ignore the Vauxhall announcement for a bit though, don’t want to be doom and gloom all over again…
More good news as Nissan commit to producing the new qasquai here too
OVLOV JAY:
More good news as Nissan commit to producing the new qasquai here too
Almost. Our unelected PM promised/paid Nissan compensation. That is our tax revenue used to prop up a foreign owned car manufacturer.
If I were a foreign owner I would be starting to take to social media/ local rags too and get some money out of the government. Even better, get your own PM/President from your home country to write a letter to May and leak it to the broadsheets.
Where is this going to end? We are on a slippery slope now.
OVLOV JAY:
More good news as Nissan commit to producing the new qasquai here too
great we are doing this in Sunderland rather than Spain, but apart from that …
more cars, more pollution, more conjestion, more fat people, more health problems, more turning the earths precious resources into unnecessary junk before we realise it was all pointless plastic tat and dig it back into the ground as landfill.
wheelnutt:
OVLOV JAY:
More good news as Nissan commit to producing the new qasquai here tooAlmost. Our unelected PM promised/paid Nissan compensation. That is our tax revenue used to prop up a foreign owned car manufacturer.
Better than our tax revenue being used(by an unelected eu) to prop up a foreign company in a foreign country
All waffle and hypothetical arguments aside, my biggest concern is that the British government (it really doesn’t matter which colour of tie they wear, they are all rich ■■■■■ out for securing cushy jobs on the boards of giant corporations before they are anything else) is in charge of either sorting out leaving or sorting out staying.
Either way, leave or stay, don’t matter.
This is British government, the organisation specifically in charge of running our country… who can’t manage to get a power station or airport built to save their lives, but can plough ahead with a very-slightly-faster train line than we have already got.
If that doesn’t scare the pants off you, please give me some of whatever you’re taking!
Swedish Finance Minister holding out the olive branch.
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Unsurprisingly there appears to be silence so far from the media regarding the WTO U-turn regarding Brexit and trade. I wonder if they will ever report it, let alone give it prominence.
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Nick Boles is a remainer who has my utmost respect. Unlike the vast majority of the sulking remainers’ he is full square behind the decision of the British people, and what’s more, hugely critical of those who pay lip service to the referendum result.
The Brexit Committee is finally sorted. 12 of the 21 members will be Remainers and the Chair will be a Remainer - not bad to say Remain lost the referendum.
Eight out of the ten seats the Conservatives were allocated went to Leavers but, as a mark of socialist respect to the electorate, all four of the Labour Party’s members are remainers!
wheelnutt:
UK GDP numbers just came out for last quarter, they are just preliminary but still beat expectations.Looks like we are muddling through. Finally a bit of good news.
Let’s ignore the Vauxhall announcement for a bit though, don’t want to be doom and gloom all over again…
Pound is down again today - so guess what news the market is following.
It’s sitting in the middle of the road - that weakens the pound.
It’s about time we got on with Brexit, and stopped fluffing about feeling as if we have to ask the EU’s permission to do anything and everything.
The EU is broken, and it’s hell-bent on taking us down with it. We need that last lifeboat off this titanic - before another country like France takes it instead, and our banking system collapses for “coming second” in the EU Exit face. “Fruxit” is our main competitor by this point now!
Stanley Knife:
NICK BOLES: Why even Remain voters like me find MiliClegg's attempt to block Brexit so utterly nauseating | Daily Mail OnlineNick Boles is a remainer who has my utmost respect. Unlike the vast majority of the sulking remainers’ he is full square behind the decision of the British people, and what’s more, hugely critical of those who pay lip service to the referendum result.
Ironically I can understand the LibDems acting true to form in being lying Federalists opportunistically taking advantage of local democracy to further their undemocratic Federal aims.
However bearing in mind the total incompatibility of the two opposing ideologies of Federalist v anti Federalist it’s difficult to believe anyone who says they have either changed from a remain to a Brexit position.Or who says that they are happy to go along with the decision of the electorate when they were happy enough for that same electorate to be drowned out by the EU Federal government system previously.Sadly all the signs are that the remainers are on course to overturn the vote either in the form of remain or EEA because Federalists by definition don’t do democracy.
wheelnutt:
OVLOV JAY:
More good news as Nissan commit to producing the new qasquai here tooAlmost. Our unelected PM promised/paid Nissan compensation. That is our tax revenue used to prop up a foreign owned car manufacturer.
If I were a foreign owner I would be starting to take to social media/ local rags too and get some money out of the government. Even better, get your own PM/President from your home country to write a letter to May and leak it to the broadsheets.
Where is this going to end? We are on a slippery slope now.
Hopefully, the deal was “Offset double your losses against your tax”. If Nissan don’t then lose any money - it costs the UK taxpayer nothing.
That’s not so much of a “Guarantee” - rather a “Underwriting Stroke of Genius”.
I could sit here and offer Heart Attack insurance at £100 a pop with a payout of £million should you then die of a heart attack within 48 hours of taking out the policy.
Think about it: 2/365ths of a year of cover at odds of a measly 10,000/1 After you’ve taken in say, 25000 premiums, someone finally croaks the same day.
You’ve still made money, on a statistical frequency like that. 