So are we still attributing everything to Brexit? I see the potential war in Ukraine got a mention.
Not convinced the UK has a great relationship with Russia though. Or how Brexit benefits the Russians.
whisperingsmith:
Not quite Brexit, but one of the benefits of our current Tory Govt is their sponsorship from Russian Oligarchs.So whilst the EU is likely spooked by Russia in Ukraine, we in the UK are lucky that thanks to Brexit and our Russian friends supporting our Govt. and funding the Brexit campaign we should be safe.
The EU spooked? only because it’s largest economy is now going to face an energy crisis.
Did you hear Corbyn in the commons those nasty Russians would all retreat if only NATO stopped being so aggressive Yep things would be so much better if he had won 
Mazzer2:
whisperingsmith:
Not quite Brexit, but one of the benefits of our current Tory Govt is their sponsorship from Russian Oligarchs.So whilst the EU is likely spooked by Russia in Ukraine, we in the UK are lucky that thanks to Brexit and our Russian friends supporting our Govt. and funding the Brexit campaign we should be safe.
The EU spooked? only because it’s largest economy is now going to face an energy crisis.
Did you hear Corbyn in the commons those nasty Russians would all retreat if only NATO stopped being so aggressive Yep things would be so much better if he had won
Great strategy: talk about an ex-leader of an out of power party.
If you can only talk about an ex-leader you are even less relevant than he is!
Why not talk about the party that holds the levers?
“We will slap wrists of a few small banks and minor players today”…"and if you dont behave we will do more later" (So, youve got a while to get prepared and make plans now)
So how much better is that than your favourite boogeyman?
Are the EU going to suffer? Yep, sure they are.
Nord Stream is on hold, and who knows for how long? Energy prices will rise in the EU and worldwide.
So what? Its crap, and its crap for everyone except Putin himself.
If the EU wasn`t spooked they would be mad.
Monkey241:
Franglais:
Monkey241:
whisperingsmith:
Not quite Brexit, but one of the benefits of our current Tory Govt is their sponsorship from Russian Oligarchs.So whilst the EU is likely spooked by Russia in Ukraine, we in the UK are lucky that thanks to Brexit and our Russian friends supporting our Govt. and funding the Brexit campaign we should be safe.
You have undisputed proof that Russia funded the campaign?
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You have “undisputed proof” that the world is round?
A long way of you saying no?
That’s you all over.
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“A long way of saying no”?
More a short way of saying you are talking complete nonsense.
Of course there is not “Undisputed proof”, that is almost non existent anywhere, and expecting it is being unrealistic.
There is this:
docs.google.com/a/independent.g … Y3NjM0OWFl
Held back until after the 2019 election, then published the day after when the press were doing other things.
UK government failed to investigate evidence of successful interference in democratic processes
‘Credible open-source commentary’ suggesting Russia sought to influence Scottish independence referendum
Russian influence in the UK is ‘the new normal’
Links between Russian elite and UK politics
Intelligence community ‘took its eye off the ball’ on Russia
UK’s paper-and-pencil voting system makes direct interference harder
Defending UK’s democratic processes is a ‘hot potato’
Errors in Salisbury poisoning and weapons watchdog hack do not diminish Moscow threat
New legislation needed to replace outdated spy laws.
And note:
Since the government had not authorised any investigation into the matter, the committee found no evidence that Russian interference had affected the Brexit referendum. Any such attempt without specific authorisation was not within the purview of British intelligence services as any such actions by the security services themselves could be seen as interference, itself undermining democracy
You wont find any evidence if you dont look for it.
Franglais:
Monkey241:
Franglais:
Monkey241:
whisperingsmith:
Not quite Brexit, but one of the benefits of our current Tory Govt is their sponsorship from Russian Oligarchs.So whilst the EU is likely spooked by Russia in Ukraine, we in the UK are lucky that thanks to Brexit and our Russian friends supporting our Govt. and funding the Brexit campaign we should be safe.
You have undisputed proof that Russia funded the campaign?
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You have “undisputed proof” that the world is round?
A long way of you saying no?
That’s you all over.
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“A long way of saying no”?
More a short way of saying you are talking complete nonsense.
Of course there is not “Undisputed proof”, that is almost non existent anywhere, and expecting it is being unrealistic.There is this:
docs.google.com/a/independent.g … Y3NjM0OWFlHeld back until after the 2019 election, then published the day after when the press were doing other things.
UK government failed to investigate evidence of successful interference in democratic processes
‘Credible open-source commentary’ suggesting Russia sought to influence Scottish independence referendum
Russian influence in the UK is ‘the new normal’
Links between Russian elite and UK politics
Intelligence community ‘took its eye off the ball’ on Russia
UK’s paper-and-pencil voting system makes direct interference harder
Defending UK’s democratic processes is a ‘hot potato’
Errors in Salisbury poisoning and weapons watchdog hack do not diminish Moscow threat
New legislation needed to replace outdated spy laws.And note:
Since the government had not authorised any investigation into the matter, the committee found no evidence that Russian interference had affected the Brexit referendum. Any such attempt without specific authorisation was not within the purview of British intelligence services as any such actions by the security services themselves could be seen as interference, itself undermining democracyYou won
t find any evidence if you dont look for it.
You confuse evidence with proof.
You talk about nonsense…then post a series of largely unrelated comments.
The problem with you is that you are led by emotion and ideology You see evidence in the most tenuous of links.
But thanks for illustrating my comment.
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whisperingsmith:
Give up trying to talk to him Franglais - a hopeless case & lost cause
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You could at least have used British uniform [emoji1787]
You don’t get the monkey thing do you?
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Monkey241:
You confuse evidence with proof.
You talk about nonsense…then post a series of largely unrelated comments.The problem with you is that you are led by emotion and ideology You see evidence in the most tenuous of links.
But thanks for illustrating my comment.
What? More word soup from the CarryFast kitchen.
Everything (in your opinion) supports your position.
Sticking your fingers in your ears and closing your eyes…if only you would go for the full set.
ebay.co.uk/itm/294593448617?
A Gov report is “the most tenuous of links”.?
Franglais:
Monkey241:
You confuse evidence with proof.
You talk about nonsense…then post a series of largely unrelated comments.The problem with you is that you are led by emotion and ideology You see evidence in the most tenuous of links.
But thanks for illustrating my comment.
What? More word soup from the CarryFast kitchen.
Everything (in your opinion) supports your position.Sticking your fingers in your ears and closing your eyes…if only you would go for the full set.
ebay.co.uk/itm/294593448617?A Gov report is “the most tenuous of links”.?
If you think that was word soup I’d politely suggest more diligence at school would have been of value to you
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But - to keep it simple just for you - where is the evidence (let alone proof) that Russia funded the Brexit victory.
Yet again you fling a pile of ■■■■ based simply on what you believe
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Brexiters thought it was all about their 1 quid per hour more pay in weak and devauled currency.
I have always been saying it’s all about geopolitics.
Germany’s sanctions have been a much bigger blow to Russia than what the White Mop has proposed so far.
Anyone surprised?
Torries are awash with Russian cash, the same money that supported weakenig of the UK, by convincing the stupidiest part of the population, that Brexit is actualy going to be good for them.
Now, we have a war in Ukraine, and guess what it is not going to be stopping there, and it will cost more money and British (yes British) lives lost than any dreamed of benefits of Brexit.
Now look for spelling mistakes in my post.
Go on, you know you want to do it and you need it to try discredit my post, as you have nothing of any value to add to this thread.
Monkey241:
But - to keep it simple just for you - where is the evidence (let alone proof) that Russia funded the Brexit victory.Yet again you fling a pile of [zb] based simply on what you believe
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A UK Gov report not good enough for you?
Same school as Johnson, Trump, and Putin.
Keep repeating nonsense and ignoring or dismissing everything else as false or lies or whatever.
Waste of time.
Franglais:
Monkey241:
But - to keep it simple just for you - where is the evidence (let alone proof) that Russia funded the Brexit victory.Yet again you fling a pile of [zb] based simply on what you believe
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A UK Gov report not good enough for you?
Same school as Johnson, Trump, and Putin.
Keep repeating nonsense and ignoring or dismissing everything else as false or lies or whatever.Waste of time.
Tell me… what did the govt report ACTUALLY say about funding?
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Maybe Monkey can answer this:-
Do Brexiteers support Russia in Ukraine as a thank you for funding the Brexit Campaign.
Or do they support the EU in opposing the Russian invasion of Ukraine ■■?
whisperingsmith:
Maybe Monkey can answer this:-Do Brexiteers support Russia in Ukraine as a thank you for funding the Brexit Campaign.
Or do they support the EU in opposing the Russian invasion of Ukraine ■■?
Is it ONLY the EU opposing the invasion?
Remind me what defence supplies UK has despatched to Ukraine as opposed to German donations.
As a collective has the EU had military advisers and trainers on the ground to assist Ukrainian preparations for defence? The supposedly isolationist UK did.
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I know Monkey hates to answer questions (or more likely just can’t) - But I Repeat:-
Do Brexiteers support Russia in Ukraine as a thank you for funding the Brexit Campaign.
Or do they support the EU in opposing the Russian invasion of Ukraine ■■?
This a really easy one that most HGV drivers can answer - a simple yes or no
whisperingsmith:
I know Monkey hates to answer questions (or more likely just can’t) - But I Repeat:-Do Brexiteers support Russia in Ukraine as a thank you for funding the Brexit Campaign.
Or do they support the EU in opposing the Russian invasion of Ukraine ■■?This a really easy one that most HGV drivers can answer - a simple yes or no
Actually it isn’t a simple yes or no - since you’ve asked 2 questions.
And it’s clear you’re attempting to elicit a response that you can make play of.
Now, since we’ve established that a simple yes or no answer here is as foolish as demanding a simple yes or no response to the question ‘have you stopped beating your wife’ we can move onto a reasonable response.
I’ve asked for proof Russia funded the Brexit victory- a question that even the slightly-less-lightweight than you Franglais has utterly failed to provide. In this scenario that question is redundant and deliberately vexatious.
As for condemning the Russian invasion - of course I support the British position. Who knows? My Reserve liability may even come into play. As usual in matters of European defence (note the European rather than EU) the British position is at the forefront of the European response.
Plus ca change
(Look at that! Even the ‘just can’t’ jibe is put to bed. Now that’s value for money [emoji1787])
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Franglais:
Mazzer2:
whisperingsmith:
Not quite Brexit, but one of the benefits of our current Tory Govt is their sponsorship from Russian Oligarchs.So whilst the EU is likely spooked by Russia in Ukraine, we in the UK are lucky that thanks to Brexit and our Russian friends supporting our Govt. and funding the Brexit campaign we should be safe.
The EU spooked? only because it’s largest economy is now going to face an energy crisis.
Did you hear Corbyn in the commons those nasty Russians would all retreat if only NATO stopped being so aggressive Yep things would be so much better if he had wonGreat strategy: talk about an ex-leader of an out of power party.
If you can only talk about an ex-leader you are even less relevant than he is!
Why not talk about the party that holds the levers?
“We will slap wrists of a few small banks and minor players today”…"and if you dont behave we will do more later" (So, youve got a while to get prepared and make plans now)
So how much better is that than your favourite boogeyman?
Are the EU going to suffer? Yep, sure they are.
Nord Stream is on hold, and who knows for how long? Energy prices will rise in the EU and worldwide.
So what? Its crap, and its crap for everyone except Putin himself.
If the EU wasn`t spooked they would be mad.
Nord stream on hold yep not even in use the other three main pipelines are not running at capacity so things can continue as they are without Nordstream.
As for the comments about Corbyn if you think they are irrelevant that is fine however they are held by many in his party which quite possibly could form the next government so maybe not so irrelevant.
Sanctions? Those announced are on top of those already in place could remaining ones be put in place quicker probably
For years the West has appeased Putin with EU members at the forefront remember the difficulty May had in getting sanctions for the Skripal poisonings? Since coming to power Putin has watched EU countries decrease their defence spending while he increased Russia’s he watched the EU do nothing serious over previous breaches of international law in Eastern Europe so having continually pushed the smaller boundaries he now pushes a major one as the ex ambassador to Russia said on the radio if the conflict ends swiftly then in a few months Europe will just move on and nothing will change
The likes of the Baltic states and Poland have not been so blind and were much more aware of the the threat and have gladly accepted military assistance from the UK ( that’ll be isolationist Brexit UK). The UK had up until very recently miltary teams in the Ukraine traing Ukrainian soldiers how to use anti tank launchers that the UK had given them perhaps the Germans had training teams there too showing the Ukrainians how to put a helmet on.
whisperingsmith:
Maybe Monkey can answer this:-Do Brexiteers support Russia in Ukraine as a thank you for funding the Brexit Campaign.
Or do they support the EU in opposing the Russian invasion of Ukraine ■■?
No to the first and yes to the second I support all those who oppose the invasion European or otherwise bit of a bone question really. Being out of the EU has not moved the UK out of Europe since 2015 the UK has sent 1,300 troops to the Ukraine to help train Ukrainian military personnel more than any EU country.
Should the UK support the EU in any course of action it takes yes in the same way it supports American action a united front is required Putin is an expert at exploiting weakness which is why we are where we are now continued appeasement has enboldened him to think he can do as he pleases
Mazzer2:
whisperingsmith:
Maybe Monkey can answer this:-Do Brexiteers support Russia in Ukraine as a thank you for funding the Brexit Campaign.
Or do they support the EU in opposing the Russian invasion of Ukraine ■■?No to the first and yes to the second I support all those who oppose the invasion European or otherwise bit of a bone question really. Being out of the EU has not moved the UK out of Europe since 2015 the UK has sent 1,300 troops to the Ukraine to help train Ukrainian military personnel more than any EU country.
Should the UK support the EU in any course of action it takes yes in the same way it supports American action a united front is required Putin is an expert at exploiting weakness which is why we are where we are now continued appeasement has enboldened him to think he can do as he pleases
Would now be a good time to mention the bolstering by UK military assets in NATO states in the Ukraine area?
Take for example the bolstering of the battlegroup in Estonia making it effectively a Brigade minus?
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Monkey241:
Mazzer2:
whisperingsmith:
Maybe Monkey can answer this:-Do Brexiteers support Russia in Ukraine as a thank you for funding the Brexit Campaign.
Or do they support the EU in opposing the Russian invasion of Ukraine ■■?No to the first and yes to the second I support all those who oppose the invasion European or otherwise bit of a bone question really. Being out of the EU has not moved the UK out of Europe since 2015 the UK has sent 1,300 troops to the Ukraine to help train Ukrainian military personnel more than any EU country.
Should the UK support the EU in any course of action it takes yes in the same way it supports American action a united front is required Putin is an expert at exploiting weakness which is why we are where we are now continued appeasement has enboldened him to think he can do as he pleasesWould now be a good time to mention the bolstering by UK military assets in NATO states in the Ukraine area?
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I think it is difficult for some to see that leaving the EU does not mean leaving Europe or the ceasing UK’s commitments to the defence of Europe and that as falsely prophesied by the remain campaign the UK has not become isolationist in it’s outlook on the world stage when it comes to global matters