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A common thread amongst Brexiteers is that the EU is disliked across Europe and the breakup of the EU is imminent.
However, there has been little evidence to support this view.

This has been further shown to be false by the latest Dutch election results, where The Dutch prime minister, Mark Rutte, will begin talks on forming a new coalition government after shrugging off setbacks to gain a comfortable win in a national election marked by a surge in support for progressive and pro-European forces.

With 80% of votes counted, Rutte’s liberal-conservative People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy (VVD) was on course for 35 seats in the 150-seat Dutch parliament, two more than in the previous 2017 poll, securing him a fourth successive term.

It should also change the coalition dynamic and may even make the hardline Netherlands – one of the “frugal” group of four fiscally conservative EU member states opposed to a common European budget and collective debt – a little more conciliatory in Europe.

Pro-Europeans were also heartened by the performance of Volt, a pan-European party launched in 2017, which won four seats. The big losers, though, were the left-leaning parties, which analysts now expect to be forced into major changes.

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whisperingsmith:
A common thread amongst Brexiteers is that the EU is disliked across Europe and the breakup of the EU is imminent.
However, there has been little evidence to support this view.

This has been further shown to be false by the latest Dutch election results, where The Dutch prime minister, Mark Rutte, will begin talks on forming a new coalition government after shrugging off setbacks to gain a comfortable win in a national election marked by a surge in support for progressive and pro-European forces.

With 80% of votes counted, Rutte’s liberal-conservative People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy (VVD) was on course for 35 seats in the 150-seat Dutch parliament, two more than in the previous 2017 poll, securing him a fourth successive term.

It should also change the coalition dynamic and may even make the hardline Netherlands – one of the “frugal” group of four fiscally conservative EU member states opposed to a common European budget and collective debt – a little more conciliatory in Europe.

Pro-Europeans were also heartened by the performance of Volt, a pan-European party launched in 2017, which won four seats. The big losers, though, were the left-leaning parties, which analysts now expect to be forced into major changes.

Look for independent opinion polls and most Europeans seem more content than not with the EU.
Read the screaming headlines of the Express and Mail, and it’s seems a marvel there isn’t a war in Europe already.

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Mazzer2:

Franglais:
New one on me: current load from Fr to UK has a certificate for the wooden pallets used…
I haven’t checked whether this is overkill, or the new normal? Anyone sitting at home wanting an occupation?

They need to be stamped to say that they have been heat treated or in your case a certificate to say the same, I assume the treatment sterilises the pallets, so clean pallets from the UK yet you can move pallets around Europe that have had rats and the like run over them and crap on them and that is ok :question:

You could move pallets that have had rats run on them from Wales, though England into Scotland, because they are part of a unified group of nations who cooperate on trade without border controls

Likewise you can move pallets from Italy, through France into the Netherlands… because they are part of a unified group of nations who cooperate on trade without border controls

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chrisdalott:

Mazzer2:

Franglais:
New one on me: current load from Fr to UK has a certificate for the wooden pallets used…
I haven’t checked whether this is overkill, or the new normal? Anyone sitting at home wanting an occupation?

They need to be stamped to say that they have been heat treated or in your case a certificate to say the same, I assume the treatment sterilises the pallets, so clean pallets from the UK yet you can move pallets around Europe that have had rats and the like run over them and crap on them and that is ok :question:

You could move pallets that have had rats run on them from Wales, though England into Scotland, because they are part of a unified group of nations who cooperate on trade without border controls

Likewise you can move pallets from Italy, through France into the Netherlands… because they are part of a unified group of nations who cooperate on trade without border controls

None of our Euro pallets going to the UK are stamped and I’m pretty well sure they haven’t been steam cleaned

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Franglais:

whisperingsmith:
A common thread amongst Brexiteers is that the EU is disliked across Europe and the breakup of the EU is imminent.
However, there has been little evidence to support this view.

This has been further shown to be false by the latest Dutch election results, where The Dutch prime minister, Mark Rutte, will begin talks on forming a new coalition government after shrugging off setbacks to gain a comfortable win in a national election marked by a surge in support for progressive and pro-European forces.

With 80% of votes counted, Rutte’s liberal-conservative People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy (VVD) was on course for 35 seats in the 150-seat Dutch parliament, two more than in the previous 2017 poll, securing him a fourth successive term.

It should also change the coalition dynamic and may even make the hardline Netherlands – one of the “frugal” group of four fiscally conservative EU member states opposed to a common European budget and collective debt – a little more conciliatory in Europe.

Pro-Europeans were also heartened by the performance of Volt, a pan-European party launched in 2017, which won four seats. The big losers, though, were the left-leaning parties, which analysts now expect to be forced into major changes.

Look for independent opinion polls and most Europeans seem more content than not with the EU.
Read the screaming headlines of the Express and Mail, and it’s seems a marvel there isn’t a war in Europe already.

I see that in the interest of “balance” the MSN newsfeed is now using the Express, so on MSN now it’s a bit like having a choice between Pravda and the Volkischer Beobachter hardly the way forward :frowning:

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Mazzer2:
I see that in the interest of “balance” the MSN newsfeed is now using the Express, so on MSN now it’s a bit like having a choice between Pravda and the Volkischer Beobachter hardly the way forward

Won`t we all have a different “personalized” newsfeed? Depending on our internet cookie settings and of course our search history?

One of feeds keeps pushing Express, Mail and Telegraph articles at me. Not because I am a particular fan of those sites, but because I do follow links this from this, and other, sites. Click on an article about a truck crash and they will offer the click-bait photos of celebs, articles about immigrants, dole scammers etc etc. Whether one believes all that is there or not it does from a backdrop to ones view of the world. Read an article about excess immigration and you wont be offered a contrary view for balance, but a similar viewpoint. Read 2 or 3 and the balance will become more extreme. Without care ones center of balance will move, and normally away from the center. Youre right IMHO to notice a move away from the balanced middle.

I have had a few very dodgy suggestions from YouTube too after viewing some of the videos suggested on posts in Bullys. Someone viewing my search history might have me down as a borderline nutter!

If they viewed my posts too, all doubt would be removed

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It seems The House Of Lords is saying we could yet have a “No Deal” Brexit:
theguardian.com/politics/20 … tions-sour
Remembering that the current, rushed and last minute, deal hasnt yet been signed, the actions of Johnson etc to already consider breaking it, doesnt seem too clever.
Why sign a deal that has already been welched on?

"While no one expects the deal to be ripped up, … breakdown of trust between the UK government and the EU”.

“the joint consultative working group (JCWG) on the protocol was not up and running 14 months after it was mandated…Michael Gove, recently wrote to him to reveal the JCWG had “convened briefly for the first time” on 29 January “to adopt its rules of procedure”. But its co-chairs and its members are yet to be confirmed.”

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Franglais:
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Look for independent opinion polls and most Europeans seem more content than not with the EU.
:frowning:

During all the hoo-ha surrounding Brexit there were various opinion polls in the UK, one of which asked UK residents whether they considered themselves British or European? A sufficiently large enough percentage answered European for this to be commented upon in the press at the time.

In view of the lamentable and pathetic vaccine procurement and roll out in Europe, I just wonder how many still hold the same opinion?
I would also challenge the contention that the latest polls do or will continue to support the view that most Europeans seem more content with the EU.

My apologies if I have attributed the quote to the wrong poster.

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cav551:

Franglais:
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Look for independent opinion polls and most Europeans seem more content than not with the EU.
:frowning:

During all the hoo-ha surrounding Brexit there were various opinion polls in the UK, one of which asked UK residents whether they considered themselves British or European? A sufficiently large enough percentage answered European for this to be commented upon in the press at the time.

In view of the lamentable and pathetic vaccine procurement and roll out in Europe, I just wonder how many still hold the same opinion?
I would also challenge the contention that the latest polls do or will continue to support the view that most Europeans seem more content with the EU.

My apologies if I have attributed the quote to the wrong poster.

Well, the British Isles are in Europe, so it`s good to see we do have an educated population. :smiley:

But that wasn`t your point, of course.

Personally I consider myself, a Sotonian, Hampshire Hog, English, British, European, citizen of the World. But I don`t stress much about any of those labels, because I am an unique individual too.

And again, maybe that wasn`t your point.
But I will comment that I daresay some papers will have commented about the British “feeling” European was somehow bad, but some will have thought it good.

Are all Eu citizens happy with the EU handling of the Covid vaccine roll-out?
I don`t know. But if they are I would be amazed. It is truly awful with numerous IMHO faux pas at national and EU level. Awful.

Does that mean that any citizens unhappy at this would automatically want out of the EU? I would doubt that too. The national leadership in many EU countries is as bad as the EU itself.

I will also say that the Johnson Gov backing a winner in the Astra-Zeneca vaccine doesnt wipe out its series of ■■■■-ups in handling lock-downs too late, Brexit lies, blocking freedom of speech, cronyism, etc etc etc.
Just because we currently have a shambloic Gov doesn`t mean I no longer call myself British.

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Good move by UK Border Force here. If that doesn’t scare them off and cause them to turn their floating bin lid around nothing will

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-56467933

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Franglais:

cav551:

Franglais:
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Look for independent opinion polls and most Europeans seem more content than not with the EU.
:frowning:

During all the hoo-ha surrounding Brexit there were various opinion polls in the UK, one of which asked UK residents whether they considered themselves British or European? A sufficiently large enough percentage answered European for this to be commented upon in the press at the time.

In view of the lamentable and pathetic vaccine procurement and roll out in Europe, I just wonder how many still hold the same opinion?
I would also challenge the contention that the latest polls do or will continue to support the view that most Europeans seem more content with the EU.

My apologies if I have attributed the quote to the wrong poster.

Well, the British Isles are in Europe, so it`s good to see we do have an educated population. :smiley:

But that wasn`t your point, of course.

Personally I consider myself, a Sotonian, Hampshire Hog, English, British, European, citizen of the World. But I don`t stress much about any of those labels, because I am an unique individual too.

And again, maybe that wasn`t your point.
But I will comment that I daresay some papers will have commented about the British “feeling” European was somehow bad, but some will have thought it good.

Are all Eu citizens happy with the EU handling of the Covid vaccine roll-out?
I don`t know. But if they are I would be amazed. It is truly awful with numerous IMHO faux pas at national and EU level. Awful.

Does that mean that any citizens unhappy at this would automatically want out of the EU? I would doubt that too. The national leadership in many EU countries is as bad as the EU itself.

I will also say that the Johnson Gov backing a winner in the Astra-Zeneca vaccine doesnt wipe out its series of ■■■■-ups in handling lock-downs too late, Brexit lies, blocking freedom of speech, cronyism, etc etc etc.
Just because we currently have a shambloic Gov doesn`t mean I no longer call myself British.

As I have said before i voted Brexit yet I see myself as a European. Its the European Union federal superstate that I didnt like.

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Franglais:
I will also say that the Johnson Gov backing a winner in the Astra-Zeneca vaccine doesnt wipe out its series of ■■■■-ups in handling lock-downs too late, Brexit lies, blocking freedom of speech, cronyism, etc etc etc.
Just because we currently have a shambloic Gov doesn`t mean I no longer call myself British.

Agree 100%

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Fergie47:

Franglais:
I will also say that the Johnson Gov backing a winner in the Astra-Zeneca vaccine doesnt wipe out its series of ■■■■-ups in handling lock-downs too late, Brexit lies, blocking freedom of speech, cronyism, etc etc etc.
Just because we currently have a shambloic Gov doesn`t mean I no longer call myself British.

Agree 100%

Except for most idiot voters the whitewashing has already begun. Boris and this laughable shambolic governments poll numbers are insane. Well, it they would be laughable if they weren’t the cause of so many deaths. The latest tactic is pointing out as good news ‘we aren’t the worst in Europe for deaths now’ like that’s any sort of achievement.

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> switchlogic:
> Except for most idiot voters the whitewashing has already begun. Boris and this laughable shambolic governments poll numbers are insane. Well, it they would be laughable if they weren’t the cause of so many deaths. The latest tactic is pointing out as good news ‘we aren’t the worst in Europe for deaths now’ like that’s any sort of achievement.

My Take on Boris with a little help from Photoshop

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switchlogic:

Fergie47:

Franglais:
I will also say that the Johnson Gov backing a winner in the Astra-Zeneca vaccine doesnt wipe out its series of ■■■■-ups in handling lock-downs too late, Brexit lies, blocking freedom of speech, cronyism, etc etc etc.
Just because we currently have a shambloic Gov doesn`t mean I no longer call myself British.

Agree 100%

Except for most idiot voters the whitewashing has already begun. Boris and this laughable shambolic governments poll numbers are insane. Well, it they would be laughable if they weren’t the cause of so many deaths. The latest tactic is pointing out as good news ‘we aren’t the worst in Europe for deaths now’ like that’s any sort of achievement.

Until Labour gets it’s act together the Tories have an open goal, Starmer has a long way to go to make Labour electable again.

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switchlogic:

Fergie47:

Franglais:
I will also say that the Johnson Gov backing a winner in the Astra-Zeneca vaccine doesnt wipe out its series of ■■■■-ups in handling lock-downs too late, Brexit lies, blocking freedom of speech, cronyism, etc etc etc.
Just because we currently have a shambloic Gov doesn`t mean I no longer call myself British.

Agree 100%

Except for most idiot voters the whitewashing has already begun. Boris and this laughable shambolic governments poll numbers are insane. Well, it they would be laughable if they weren’t the cause of so many deaths. The latest tactic is pointing out as good news ‘we aren’t the worst in Europe for deaths now’ like that’s any sort of achievement.

I agree, I think the Corbyn government would of lacked a spine though.
Imagine if Corbyn tried to close the borders in January/February 2020?
That’s what was needed.
No one was for it though.

I still remember that huge operation to ‘bring home’ people from China. They landed in a airfield and were all taken in buses to quarantine.
All while people were coming here via indirect flights from China lol.

Or the mask situtation.
“There is no scientific evidence that masks help with covid”.
When in reality they were just completely unprepared so they didnt want the public to buy up all the masks.

The list of ■■■■ ups is long lol.

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Corbyn lacking a spine is a bit comical! :smiley:

I’m certainly no fan and never voted for Labour while he was in charge but calling him spineless when we are struggling through a government that’s so bendy it doesn’t have a bond in its morbidly obese body. Always hilarious when people make out Corbyn is weak- he’s had more s**t lobbed his way than likes of Boris would have to put up with if he lived ten lives.

But, why does EVERYTHING go back to a man not even in the party now let alone leading it. The election happened, the scruffy blond t**t won, stop engaging in Corbyn what if’s .

We’ve got a moron in charge who’s way way way out of his depth, Corbyn couldn’t have been worse even if he wanted to be

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Data shows collapse of UK food and drink exports post-Brexit

Whisky, cheese and chocolate producers have suffered the biggest post-Brexit export losses in the food and drink sector, new figures from HMRC have shown.

Analysis of the figures by the Food and Drink Federation (FDF) shows that cheese exports in January plummeted from £45m to £7m year on year, while whisky exports nosedived from £105m to £40m. Chocolate exports went from £41.4m to just £13m, a decline of 68%.

Exports of some other goods such as salmon and beef almost stopped altogether, with declines of 98% and 92% respectively, but by value they were the 7th and 4th biggest losers of the top 10 exports to the EU.

Overall trade in fish dropped by 79%.

The figures come hot on the heels of data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) showing trade between the UK and EU had been hit hard in January, with overall exports down by 40.7% in January compared to December.

Reports available on some of the few remaining independant News Media

Guardian is one Data shows collapse of UK food and drink exports post-Brexit | Food & drink industry | The Guardian

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switchlogic:
Corbyn lacking a spine is a bit comical! :smiley:

I’m certainly no fan and never voted for Labour while he was in charge but calling him spineless when we are struggling through a government that’s so bendy it doesn’t have a bond in its morbidly obese body. Always hilarious when people make out Corbyn is weak- he’s had more s**t lobbed his way than likes of Boris would have to put up with if he lived ten lives.

But, why does EVERYTHING go back to a man not even in the party now let alone leading it. The election happened, the scruffy blond t**t won, stop engaging in Corbyn what if’s .

We’ve got a moron in charge who’s way way way out of his depth, Corbyn couldn’t have been worse even if he wanted to be

I dont think Corbyn himself lacks a spine. In fact I think he is one of the few politicans who actually respect. His views have been pretty consistent throughout his life. Unlike Boris who is just a popularist and doesnt really hold any strong political views he will just jump on whatever is popular.
I think I actually voted for Corbyn.

I think the issue was his front bench were very hostile to him even when he was in power and never had his back. His own party was against him as well. So when I say his government lacks a spine I mean the government. Like it was no secret that Corbyn was a euro-spectic. Yet, his party made him push to promise another referendum.

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Priti Patel said Brexit would make us more secure.
Does this Lord’s report back that up?

bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-56529359