What makes a judgement Pythonesque etc may be subjective…?
Possibly…but telling a terror suspect WHY he has been refused entry to UK has implications even you must grasp.
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Monkey241:
A court makes a judgement BASED on the calculation of evidence involved.I think you fail to grasp how judgements are arrived at.
As for your defence of comments on farce: it reads like poor justification of what you actually said.
Victims of the ECJ? Chip on shoulder?
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A judgment may be based on calculations. That doesn`t make it anything other than a judgment.
Im not defending any comments I made on farce. I dont need to.
I am pointing to your manifest lack of comprehending the differences between an isolated farcical instance, and an institution that is intrinsically farcical.
Franglais:
Monkey241:
A court makes a judgement BASED on the calculation of evidence involved.I think you fail to grasp how judgements are arrived at.
As for your defence of comments on farce: it reads like poor justification of what you actually said.
Victims of the ECJ? Chip on shoulder?
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A judgment may be based on calculations. That doesn`t make it anything other than a judgment.
I
m not defending any comments I made on farce. I dont need to.
I am pointing to your manifest lack of comprehending the differences between an isolated farcical instance, and an institution that is intrinsically farcical.
Of course it’s still a judgement…but that wasn’t your original argument [emoji1787]
As for farce, a fair observation on the state of your argument: you compared the ECJ with the state of our own courts… and then backpedalled.
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Monkey241:
Franglais:
Monkey241:
A court makes a judgement BASED on the calculation of evidence involved.I think you fail to grasp how judgements are arrived at.
As for your defence of comments on farce: it reads like poor justification of what you actually said.
Victims of the ECJ? Chip on shoulder?
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A judgment may be based on calculations. That doesn`t make it anything other than a judgment.
I
m not defending any comments I made on farce. I dont need to.
I am pointing to your manifest lack of comprehending the differences between an isolated farcical instance, and an institution that is intrinsically farcical.Of course it’s still a judgement…but that wasn’t your original argument [emoji1787]
As for farce, a fair observation on the state of your argument: you compared the ECJ with the state of our own courts… and then backpedalled.
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So? What do you contend was my original argument?
I said
Franglais:
The ECJ isn’t the only source of judicial farce. Our own UK courts can give those foreigner courts a run for their money you know.
And I am not “backpedaling”. I stand by that post. Both the ECJ and UK courts are potentially sources of farce. That doesnt mean they are institutionally farcical. If a police force has one corrupt copper, does that mean the police as an institution are corrupt? If a judge makes one dodgy decision mean the court system is bad? If you make one good post does that mean youre clever?
Clearly 3 nuls there, then. 
Franglais:
Monkey241:
Franglais:
Monkey241:
A court makes a judgement BASED on the calculation of evidence involved.I think you fail to grasp how judgements are arrived at.
As for your defence of comments on farce: it reads like poor justification of what you actually said.
Victims of the ECJ? Chip on shoulder?
Just a keen observer of their less than inspirational performanceSent from my SM-G981B using Tapatalk
A judgment may be based on calculations. That doesn`t make it anything other than a judgment.
I
m not defending any comments I made on farce. I dont need to.
I am pointing to your manifest lack of comprehending the differences between an isolated farcical instance, and an institution that is intrinsically farcical.Of course it’s still a judgement…but that wasn’t your original argument [emoji1787]
As for farce, a fair observation on the state of your argument: you compared the ECJ with the state of our own courts… and then backpedalled.
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So? What do you contend was my original argument?
I said
Franglais:
The ECJ isn’t the only source of judicial farce. Our own UK courts can give those foreigner courts a run for their money you know.And I am not “backpedaling”. I stand by that post. Both the ECJ and UK courts are potentially sources of farce. That doesn
t mean they are institutionally farcical. If a police force has one corrupt copper, does that mean the police as an institution are corrupt? If a judge makes one dodgy decision mean the court system is bad? If you make one good post does that mean youre clever?Clearly 3 nuls there, then.
If only it were one judge making one bad judgement.
That isn’t the case as regards the ECJ.
Given the status and composition of the ECJ when judgements are made, can you give me:
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What you consider the comparable court is in the UK
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An example of a farcical judgement made by said court
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Monkey241:
If only it were one judge making one bad judgement.That isn’t the case as regards the ECJ.
Given the status and composition of the ECJ when judgements are made, can you give me:
What you consider the comparable court is in the UK
An example of a farcical judgement made by said court
I have said that courts make judgments. It is everyone`s right to agree or disagree with those judgments. So we can find any judgment wise or farcical. So, evidently all courts:
Franglais:
The ECJ isn’t the only source of judicial farce. Our own UK courts can give those foreigner courts a run for their money you know.
All down to personal interpretation.
I`m not going to give examples, as it is the general case I made, and still defend.
If you want to list any particular instances, or keep a score card then carry on!
I again never said that any one UK court was the equivalent of the ECJ. I made the case as quoted above “UK courts” vs “foreigner courts”.
Oh, and just what did you say my original argument was?
Franglais:
Monkey241:
If only it were one judge making one bad judgement.That isn’t the case as regards the ECJ.
Given the status and composition of the ECJ when judgements are made, can you give me:
What you consider the comparable court is in the UK
An example of a farcical judgement made by said court
I have said that courts make judgments. It is everyone`s right to agree or disagree with those judgments. So we can find any judgment wise or farcical. So, evidently all courts:
Franglais:
The ECJ isn’t the only source of judicial farce. Our own UK courts can give those foreigner courts a run for their money you know.All down to personal interpretation.
I`m not going to give examples, as it is the general case I made, and still defend.
If you want to list any particular instances, or keep a score card then carry on!
I again never said that any one UK court was the equivalent of the ECJ. I made the case as quoted above “UK courts” vs “foreigner courts”.Oh, and just what did you say my original argument was?
Courts make a judgement on the evidence available and the letter of the law. This also periodically requires a legal interprtetation of the spirit of the law… that is what was the law intended to achieve, hence precedent is set.
It is less a personal judgement, than a judgement based on evidence, explicit legal requirement and the requirements of justice.
Disagree or agree is irrelevant unless you have a legally trained argument which holds water.
The issue arises when politics enters the legal arena. I disagreed with the Gina Miller case but as a point of law she was correct.
Sadly the ECJ is very much a political court… and it’s legal judgements do NOT emanate from a single judge.
The fact you refuse to answer inconvenient points illustrates your paucity of argument.
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Interrupting our discourse on the different courts of our ‘Learned Friends’ for a moment.
I’m hearing that there are growing problems in sourcing urgent/routine spares for VOR situations.
Where once upon a time - is it only 2 months ago? - spares could be sourced from mainland Europe in 24hrs,
in our Brave New ■■■■■■■■ World, 24hr parts sourcing has ended & trucks can be off the road for days/weeks
whilst parts are sourced under our new 3rd Country relationship with the EE.
Anyone experienced this yet ■■
> Monkey241:
> Sadly the ECJ is very much a political court… and it’s legal judgements do NOT emanate from a single judge.
Personally I like the idea of 1 judge from each member state, sounds quite democratic to me. 
whisperingsmith:
Interrupting our discourse on the different courts of our ‘Learned Friends’ for a moment.I’m hearing that there are growing problems in sourcing urgent/routine spares for VOR situations.
Where once upon a time - is it only 2 months ago? - spares could be sourced from mainland Europe in 24hrs,
in our Brave New ■■■■■■■■ World, 24hr parts sourcing has ended & trucks can be off the road for days/weeks
whilst parts are sourced under our new 3rd Country relationship with the EE.Anyone experienced this yet ■■
This link from the O/D section
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=167909#p2737576
whisperingsmith:
Interrupting our discourse on the different courts of our ‘Learned Friends’ for a moment.I’m hearing that there are growing problems in sourcing urgent/routine spares for VOR situations.
Where once upon a time - is it only 2 months ago? - spares could be sourced from mainland Europe in 24hrs,
in our Brave New ■■■■■■■■ World, 24hr parts sourcing has ended & trucks can be off the road for days/weeks
whilst parts are sourced under our new 3rd Country relationship with the EE.Anyone experienced this yet ■■
The fleet at my place is about 70 strong. Largely Volvo or DAF.
Not seen an issue so far
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whisperingsmith:
> Monkey241:
> Sadly the ECJ is very much a political court… and it’s legal judgements do NOT emanate from a single judge.Personally I like the idea of 1 judge from each member state, sounds quite democratic to me. [emoji38] [emoji38] [emoji38]
How quaint…almost as if you think each judgement is made by a panel of judges from each member [emoji1787]
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whisperingsmith:
Interrupting our discourse on the different courts of our ‘Learned Friends’ for a moment.I’m hearing that there are growing problems in sourcing urgent/routine spares for VOR situations.
Where once upon a time - is it only 2 months ago? - spares could be sourced from mainland Europe in 24hrs,
in our Brave New ■■■■■■■■ World, 24hr parts sourcing has ended & trucks can be off the road for days/weeks
whilst parts are sourced under our new 3rd Country relationship with the EE.Anyone experienced this yet ■■
We have FASSI lorry loaders that are built in italy and some spare parts are sourced direct from their factory. Last week we had a spare part brought over inside 24 hours. …so in answer, no!
Put a sock in it your like a load of cackling old women …and stop the Brexitshit…it makes you stupid with no argument
Here’s a good article in the Guardian…
theguardian.com/politics/20 … -envies-us
No pay wall.
This is how this Brexit government keeps lying to the British people, paying for it with our own money, instead of spending the money on NHS, for example
Government Drive Brexit Propaganda Campaign in Media
Boris Johnson’s government have taken to use public money to take out huge advertisements in mainstream newspapers masquerading as brexit news articles. This is literally using our taxes to pay to try and convince us of the benefits of a scheme designed to shrink our economy and waste even more of our taxes.
youtube.com/watch?v=0tUUntQ8f8Y
…and there’s some more good news on Brexit front:
More Brexit Panic for the Bank of England
After the initial panic at the realisation that the EU are not going to be granting widespread equivalence for financial services, there seems to be some desperation from the governor, Andrew Bailey, about the potential loss of up to 89 trillion pounds worth of European derivatives from the City of London. Brexit seems to be the gift that just keeps on taking right now.
Communists being Communists.
The EU are not communists lol. Do you use the word communist to describe anything you dont like?
Was the USA acting like communists when all the USA states join the union and created the USA?
But it is obvious, more now than ever. For the EU to succeed it needs to model itself after the USA.
Because at the moment you can have a single EU country like Hungary completely halt any major policy.
It is frankly stupid that all 28 countries have to agree on any major decision by the EU and all 28 can veto.
Now. Is it a good idea? Probably not. But that’s the path the EU is going down. They want further integration.
> anon84679660:
> This is how this Brexit government keeps lying to the British people, paying for it with our own money, instead of spending the money on NHS, for example news on Brexit front
Nail on Head anon84679660 !!
If anyone needed definitive proof that Brexit Is A Disaster, need look no further than the Govt paying for Advertorials attempting to show Brexit as a success.
adam277:
The EU are not communists lol. Do you use the word communist to describe anything you dont like?
Was the USA acting like communists when all the USA states join the union and created the USA?But it is obvious, more now than ever. For the EU to succeed it needs to model itself after the USA.
Because at the moment you can have a single EU country like Hungary completely halt any major policy.
It is frankly stupid that all 28 countries have to agree on any major decision by the EU and all 28 can veto.Now. Is it a good idea? Probably not. But that’s the path the EU is going down. They want further integration.
Yep it’s all the ideology of the collective.
The collective is a bad thing whether its the US version or Bismark’s version or Lenin’s version or Tito’s version.
Gerrymandering a political majority across sovereign state borders isn’t democracy.
Let alone the predisposition of a Collective of former sovereign states to being hijacked by despots ( like Stalin, Hitler, even Tito and I’ll also put Lincoln in with that ).
So there’s a larger majority in China than the EU you’re saying that you want Europe to be ruled by Beijing ?.
Your ideology is all based on the idea that the largest fish in the Ocean has the god given right to rule the world in a one size fits all nightmare.
The idea crashed with the Soviet Union and it should stay that way hopefully now Biden’s hijack of the US will mean a return of the Secessionist cause there too.
As you’ve rightly pointed out US Federalism is what’s propping up the EUSSR nightmare and being used to justify it.
It’s just a much larger version of the Yugoslav project and nightmare.That ended well.
Nationalism and national sovereignty by definition means the right of self determination of people’s deal with it.