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Franglais:

robroy:
Btw you say Farage and Johnson will say whatever just to gain votes…
You have just described the nature of the beast of every politician at every level since time immemorial and counting, so why single those two out just because YOU detest one and have entirely different opposing views to the other.

“Detest” is your expression of my emotions. Not a word I have used.
I try not to tell you what you are thinking, so please try not to tell me what is going on inside my head…again!

I dont like Johnson. That isnt because of his views on Brexit.
That is because he puts himself and his own ambition above the interests of anyone who surrounds him, his party, and especially above the good of the country. He said many times that the UK was better in the EU, then saw a tactical advantage (for himself) in backing Brexit.
That is why I don`t like him.

I happen not to like serial liars, cheats, and lazy, selfish, whinging cowards.
Hey! Apologies but that is the type of guy I am.

There are some who supported Brexit for honourable reasons. I have nowt against them. Im not a natural Tory, but see Johnson not as a true Tory but as a fellow traveller of theirs. Using that party for his own ends. I think many Tories feel the same. Pity they didnt speak up sooner though.
Many were fooled by the lies and false stories over the years. Teeling silly stories about bent/straight bananas etc. Telling stories about how good we really are and how we are being held back by the EU. All convenient excuses for national bad governance. Blame “them” never us.

Many were sold on the dream of a brighter future.
Who doesn`t want a better tomorrow? But the over simplified stories are now losing their shine for many.

Dont try the "Theyre all the same" argument.
The illegal prorouguing of Parliament, the series of breaches of ministerial codes, the deliberate misleading, the series of scandals, the fraud under furlough not even being investigated are unprecedented.
We have had scandals before, of course we have, but never so many, so serious, and so close together.
They are not “all the same”.

Ffs man, there you go again. :unamused:
The latest passionate rant. :unamused:

Firstly why do you bear so much importance to what strangers on the internet think about you or interpret about you,.especially when you lay yourself wide open to it by some of your views,.some radical, some positively strange, then kick off when people come to their own interpretations and opinions of you.

I have had all sorts of names, opinions,.and analysis of me on here by many people, so what?.. I sincerely could not GAF what they say or think about me…I notice you say the same about not caring, but display the exact opposite trait in reality.

As for your opinions stated on BJ, ok much of it is true, but one of those bizzare traits I mentioned that you display is why is it so ■■■■■■■ important to you?
You constantly go off on ott rants about him, so obviously it comes across as hatred.
It all ‘bothers’ me as far as maybe thinking '‘Ah right that’s a bit much’ or words to that effect, then switch off and get on with my OWN life and problems, I have no intention of accrediting soo much importance to it all as you do,.and getting all hot and bothered. :unamused:

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robroy:

Franglais:

robroy:
Btw you say Farage and Johnson will say whatever just to gain votes…
You have just described the nature of the beast of every politician at every level since time immemorial and counting, so why single those two out just because YOU detest one and have entirely different opposing views to the other.

“Detest” is your expression of my emotions. Not a word I have used.
I try not to tell you what you are thinking, so please try not to tell me what is going on inside my head…again!

I dont like Johnson. That isnt because of his views on Brexit.
That is because he puts himself and his own ambition above the interests of anyone who surrounds him, his party, and especially above the good of the country. He said many times that the UK was better in the EU, then saw a tactical advantage (for himself) in backing Brexit.
That is why I don`t like him.

I happen not to like serial liars, cheats, and lazy, selfish, whinging cowards.
Hey! Apologies but that is the type of guy I am.

There are some who supported Brexit for honourable reasons. I have nowt against them. Im not a natural Tory, but see Johnson not as a true Tory but as a fellow traveller of theirs. Using that party for his own ends. I think many Tories feel the same. Pity they didnt speak up sooner though.
Many were fooled by the lies and false stories over the years. Teeling silly stories about bent/straight bananas etc. Telling stories about how good we really are and how we are being held back by the EU. All convenient excuses for national bad governance. Blame “them” never us.

Many were sold on the dream of a brighter future.
Who doesn`t want a better tomorrow? But the over simplified stories are now losing their shine for many.

Dont try the "Theyre all the same" argument.
The illegal prorouguing of Parliament, the series of breaches of ministerial codes, the deliberate misleading, the series of scandals, the fraud under furlough not even being investigated are unprecedented.
We have had scandals before, of course we have, but never so many, so serious, and so close together.
They are not “all the same”.

Ffs man, there you go again. :unamused:
The latest passionate rant. :unamused:

Firstly why do you bear so much importance to what strangers on the internet think about you or interpret about you,.especially when you lay yourself wide open to it by some of your views,.some radical, some positively strange, then kick off when people come to their own interpretations and opinions of you.

I have had all sorts of names, opinions,.and analysis of me on here by many people, so what?.. I sincerely could not GAF what they say or think about me…I notice you say the same about not caring, but display the exact opposite trait in reality.

As for your opinions stated on BJ, ok much of it is true, but one of those bizzare traits I mentioned that you display is why is it so ■■■■■■■ important to you?
You constantly go off on ott rants about him, so obviously it comes across as hatred.
It all ‘bothers’ me as far as maybe thinking '‘Ah right that’s a bit much’ or words to that effect, then switch off and get on with my OWN life and problems, I have no intention of accrediting soo much importance to it all as you do,.and getting all hot and bothered. :unamused:

“Passionate rant”, “OTT rant” you and I seem to have differing ideas what that all means. Is listing or explaining someones flaws a "rant"? Everything I have said about Johnson is without any adjectives, isnt it?
You just keep up with your own drama queen hyper-bollox and I will try to ignore it in the future. :smiley:

You honestly dont care if somebody repeatedly lies to you, and takes you for a fool? We all get taken in sometimes, no shame in that. Allowing charlatans to get off free doesnt seem a very good idea to me.

Its a lovely sunny day, and Im sat in the shade in a cool breeze, so not hot and bothered at all.
As it happens though I see nothing wrong if someone passionately believes in “doing the right thing” or does get “hot and bothered” about nasty liars.
They have my admiration. :smiley:

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You just keep on concerning yourself then mate and righting wrongs, ever the moral crusader. :smiley:

And btw…I maybe like being a drama queen, so don’t be making observations about me and forming opinions…I’m easily hurt you know. :laughing:

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Franglais:

robroy:
Btw you say Farage and Johnson will say whatever just to gain votes…
You have just described the nature of the beast of every politician at every level since time immemorial and counting, so why single those two out just because YOU detest one and have entirely different opposing views to the other.

“Detest” is your expression of my emotions. Not a word I have used.
I try not to tell you what you are thinking, so please try not to tell me what is going on inside my head…again!

I dont like Johnson. That isnt because of his views on Brexit.
That is because he puts himself and his own ambition above the interests of anyone who surrounds him, his party, and especially above the good of the country. He said many times that the UK was better in the EU, then saw a tactical advantage (for himself) in backing Brexit.
That is why I don`t like him.
I don’t like Boris much neither, but backed him in 2019 because of the “Get Brexit Done” stance. Since he’s now gone, and Brexit has yet to be completed - I can’t stand him now at ALL.

I happen not to like serial liars, cheats, and lazy, selfish, whinging cowards.
Boris was right when he declared “The public don’t care a jot about that.”. I judge someone by what they DO rather than what they Say.
The only “Lies” that upset me are the ones about “Getting Brexit Done” when he couldn’t wait to abandon it and pick up the Covid Scam gauntlet instead upon winning a decent majority in December 2019.
Hey! Apologies but that is the type of guy I am.

There are some who supported Brexit for honourable reasons. I have nowt against them. Im not a natural Tory, but see Johnson not as a true Tory but as a fellow traveller of theirs. Using that party for his own ends. I think many Tories feel the same. Pity they didnt speak up sooner though.
ANYONE could have picked up the Brexit Gauntlet - and got to be PM over it. The Parliamentary Labour Party prevented Corbyn from doing just that when Cameron came out for Remain ahead of the Referendum. If Corbyn had been a proper leader of the opposition and gone for Brexit at THAT point, then not only would there have been no Boris later, but no May in between as well! (Corbyn would have beaten her in 2017, and ruled as a minority government, forcing his own party to back him as part OF that essentialy weak government, that could only stay in office - by quickly completing Brexit…
There was no reason a deal couldn’t be done for Britain to “cease paying in” but permitted ongoing access to the single market "to help EU exporters TO Britain out rather more than Britain gets helped by being allowed to buy overpriced food mountains FROM the EU as Imports…

Many were fooled by the lies and false stories over the years. Teeling silly stories about bent/straight bananas etc. Telling stories about how good we really are and how we are being held back by the EU. All convenient excuses for national bad governance. Blame “them” never us.
Lies are not as important as “What got done”. Blair lied, and killed over 100,000 innocent Iraqi civilians, and yet he’s not even been cautioned for mass murder, let alone faced a lawsuit for that many counts of “Unlawful Killing”… Boris lied, and then got busted out of office before delivering on his promises, making those lies too… There’s little to be respected there, but if anyone thinks people like me are going to bow down at the feet of Keir Starmer to make it stop - has got another thing coming!
The only way the main parties can hope to keep power at any future elections - is by making sure no OTHER parties are ever allowed onto ballot papers - again!
Check out the upcoming By-elections, for example… Are the “Three” going to be facing the usual half dozen “lord buckethead” types IN those by-elections?

Many were sold on the dream of a brighter future.
Who doesn`t want a better tomorrow? But the over simplified stories are now losing their shine for many.
If the Government truly pursue a “Better tomorrow” for anyone other than for themselves - then they’d better order the bank of England to quit this re-run of the 1992 House Repossession crash that started soon after the Black Wednesday event, when we allowed Soros to tell 4m people who lost their homes during this period that “This was the Tory’s Fault” (no, it was the Centerist’s Fault signing up to Maastrict and the ERM) who then passed over to Blair in 1997, despite him being “more of the same”…

Dont try the "Theyre all the same" argument.
The illegal prorouguing of Parliament, the series of breaches of ministerial codes, the deliberate misleading, the series of scandals, the fraud under furlough not even being investigated are unprecedented.
We have had scandals before, of course we have, but never so many, so serious, and so close together.
They are not “all the same”.

Back to Boris’ words “The public don’t give a jot about that” - and we still don’t.
The only ones who want Boris gone over “Wallpapergate”, or “Partygate” or “casual lies” are the same ones that never considered voting for him in the FIRST place.

I’m quite worried that our entire government, involving the highest elected offices in our land - are all easy to push around with allegations of “Bullying” made - just to stop unelected, all-powerful civil servants being bought to book for this constant BLOCKING of the very policy implementations that got the government elected in the FIRST place.

Clearly - Bravermann, Patel, and the other so-called “Right WIngers”- are not being anywhere near authoritarian ENOUGH - if they let the foul swamp creatures of Whitehall push them about as much as they have been already…

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Working towards a rainbow effect are we Winny? Are you trying to tell us you’re a homosexual? Apt being pride month. Welcome to the other side

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robroy:
Cat & Pigeons scenario ?

In the unlikely event some kind of alliance and/or new party does come off… Will it have any effect,.or at least send a message to those in power who are merely going through the motions in a half arsed way, to try and make it look as if they ARE carrying out the will of the democratic vote…(quite unsuccessfully to those who have open eyes and can see what is really going on btw.)
youtu.be/s-4ElfoiVfw

Will Johnson join a party with Farage?

Answer 1
Depends how much you pay him!
For enough money he will do anything.

Answer 2
I doubt it.
His ego wont stand the thought of standing for Parliament and being defeated. That seems to be why he resigned as an MP: he thinks he is about to be, after following all the stages, recalled and have to stand for re-election in his present seat. He is far from guaranteed to be returned there again, and is rumoured to be looking for a new seat. Having done all of 3 or 4 days Parliamentary work this year, I dunno who would want him? Sure he has some very strong (fanatical) fans, but are there enough to vote him in? Then again in some seats "a pigs bladder on a stick would be voted in, if it wore a blue rosette".

Answer 3
Although he has already run away from the Commons, it seems it is still possible that the Standards Committees report might still have some power. Seems that the report will be read tomorrow? Weds 14th. It is possible that the report could be debated, maybe next week. If so, then a motion of censure could be added and could be voted on. That could mean that Johnson is prohibited from standing as an MP ever again. I dont know how likely that is. Seems a lot of “ifs” and “maybes” involved, but outside of his supporters, few seem neutral about him, and it strikes me his current actions are damaging the Tory party, and he will have more than a few from the party who would like him gone permanently.

I reckon 2 is most likely,
He stands to make money on the lecture circuit giving talks as the famous PM who was “hounded from office, by jealous opponents” etc…
So long as he isnt defeated in an election he can sell himself as a champion. He can continue to play the "Im a martyr" act. That will keep his ego intact and the fawning audiences will continue to cough up cash.

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switchlogic:
Working towards a rainbow effect are we Winny? Are you trying to tell us you’re a homosexual? Apt being pride month. Welcome to the other side

It is difficult to get away from “Rainbows” this month at least…

To White, British-born Straight Working Class “no rights” people - it is “Keep your head down month” of course… :unamused:

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Franglais:

robroy:
Cat & Pigeons scenario ?

In the unlikely event some kind of alliance and/or new party does come off… Will it have any effect,.or at least send a message to those in power who are merely going through the motions in a half arsed way, to try and make it look as if they ARE carrying out the will of the democratic vote…(quite unsuccessfully to those who have open eyes and can see what is really going on btw.)
youtu.be/s-4ElfoiVfw

Will Johnson join a party with Farage?

Answer 1
Depends how much you pay him!
For enough money he will do anything.

Answer 2
I doubt it.
His ego wont stand the thought of standing for Parliament and being defeated. That seems to be why he resigned as an MP: he thinks he is about to be, after following all the stages, recalled and have to stand for re-election in his present seat. He is far from guaranteed to be returned there again, and is rumoured to be looking for a new seat. Having done all of 3 or 4 days Parliamentary work this year, I dunno who would want him? Sure he has some very strong (fanatical) fans, but are there enough to vote him in? Then again in some seats "a pigs bladder on a stick would be voted in, if it wore a blue rosette".

Answer 3
Although he has already run away from the Commons, it seems it is still possible that the Standards Committees report might still have some power. Seems that the report will be read tomorrow? Weds 14th. It is possible that the report could be debated, maybe next week. If so, then a motion of censure could be added and could be voted on. That could mean that Johnson is prohibited from standing as an MP ever again. I dont know how likely that is. Seems a lot of “ifs” and “maybes” involved, but outside of his supporters, few seem neutral about him, and it strikes me his current actions are damaging the Tory party, and he will have more than a few from the party who would like him gone permanently.

I reckon 2 is most likely,
He stands to make money on the lecture circuit giving talks as the famous PM who was “hounded from office, by jealous opponents” etc…
So long as he isnt defeated in an election he can sell himself as a champion. He can continue to play the "Im a martyr" act. That will keep his ego intact and the fawning audiences will continue to cough up cash.

There’s a possibility that Boris continuing in his old Uxbridge seat - was doomed to failure, as both sides of the Commons already know that seat is no longer “Safe”, meaning that the chances of Boris advancing to run over Sunak at any point ahead of Christmas 2024 are pretty much zero as he doesn’t have the support of his own party any longer.

IF Boris has this “Martyr” or “Churchillian” thing for real - then he might find it easier at this point to run on an “Underdog” ticket, knowing in advance where local law enforcement (loyal to him in any particular town) would need to be placed to catch vote riggers (the deep-state approved variety) red-handed, so that (for example) you don’t see a single ballotbox with 10,000 votes for RP going to the Leftist-Union run local incinerator plant on the day after the Peterborough By-election last time around…

Boris Johnson could become an incredibly dangerous “Traitor” to the Tories - IF he finds the draw of “Public Hero” more to his liking, than leaving as a manufactured “Pariah” which is the way it looks at present.

In politics, someone as experienced as Johnson - doesn’t do things for “no reason at all”. Far from it, I suspect… :bulb:

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Winseer:

switchlogic:
Working towards a rainbow effect are we Winny? Are you trying to tell us you’re a homosexual? Apt being pride month. Welcome to the other side

It is difficult to get away from “Rainbows” this month at least…

To White, British-born Straight Working Class “no rights” people - it is “Keep your head down month” of course… :unamused:

You’ve got ‘no rights’? That’s absolutely comical. You just get prissy that the rest of us are lifted to the same level of rights you’ve always enjoyed

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Franglais:

robroy:
Cat & Pigeons scenario ?

In the unlikely event some kind of alliance and/or new party does come off… Will it have any effect,.or at least send a message to those in power who are merely going through the motions in a half arsed way, to try and make it look as if they ARE carrying out the will of the democratic vote…(quite unsuccessfully to those who have open eyes and can see what is really going on btw.)
youtu.be/s-4ElfoiVfw

Will Johnson join a party with Farage?

Answer 1
Depends how much you pay him!
For enough money he will do anything.

Answer 2
I doubt it.
His ego wont stand the thought of standing for Parliament and being defeated. That seems to be why he resigned as an MP: he thinks he is about to be, after following all the stages, recalled and have to stand for re-election in his present seat. He is far from guaranteed to be returned there again, and is rumoured to be looking for a new seat. Having done all of 3 or 4 days Parliamentary work this year, I dunno who would want him? Sure he has some very strong (fanatical) fans, but are there enough to vote him in? Then again in some seats "a pigs bladder on a stick would be voted in, if it wore a blue rosette".

Answer 3
Although he has already run away from the Commons, it seems it is still possible that the Standards Committees report might still have some power. Seems that the report will be read tomorrow? Weds 14th. It is possible that the report could be debated, maybe next week. If so, then a motion of censure could be added and could be voted on. That could mean that Johnson is prohibited from standing as an MP ever again. I dont know how likely that is. Seems a lot of “ifs” and “maybes” involved, but outside of his supporters, few seem neutral about him, and it strikes me his current actions are damaging the Tory party, and he will have more than a few from the party who would like him gone permanently.

I reckon 2 is most likely,
He stands to make money on the lecture circuit giving talks as the famous PM who was “hounded from office, by jealous opponents” etc…
So long as he isnt defeated in an election he can sell himself as a champion. He can continue to play the "Im a martyr" act. That will keep his ego intact and the fawning audiences will continue to cough up cash.

Wowsers :open_mouth: :smiley:
And then you tell us it is nothing personal, that you DON’T hate the guy,.then you go on to write virtual thesis on how bad he is. :smiley:

Aye right, I can smell the bile and hear the heavy breathing and seething from here. :laughing:
You should get your blood pressure checked mate, all this mega concern ain’t good for you.

Whether or not he is the biggest criminal since Adolf, or if you love him or not as the TN political commentator, he was the reason the Tories got their first overwhelming majority for years, including in usually staunch Labour areas…their biggest asset, their biggest vote winner.

All this stuff, the party gate (utter ■■■■■■■■) witch hunt the proposed legal action, the betrayal by colleagues,.was the best thing that could happen for the Labour party…as you well know.

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switchlogic:

Winseer:

switchlogic:
Working towards a rainbow effect are we Winny? Are you trying to tell us you’re a homosexual? Apt being pride month. Welcome to the other side

It is difficult to get away from “Rainbows” this month at least…

To White, British-born Straight Working Class “no rights” people - it is “Keep your head down month” of course… :unamused:

You’ve got ‘no rights’? That’s absolutely comical. You just get prissy that the rest of us are lifted to the same level of rights you’ve always enjoyed

You have the right to conform, but not the right to push back.

As for so-called “Whistleblower policy” - if I were ever to take that up, I’d find myself out on my ear at just about any venue I happened to work at.
It doesn’t exist - protection for whistleblowers!

The coming depression - will make “conformists” of us all, of course - even me. :frowning:

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Then again in some seats “a pig`s bladder on a stick would be voted in, if it wore a blue rosette”.

Ditto the North East and a red rosette,

Tyneside

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tyneside:
Then again in some seats “a pig`s bladder on a stick would be voted in, if it wore a blue rosette”.

Ditto the North East and a red rosette,

Tyneside

Yep, but in a usually major Labour stronghold like Workington in ■■■■■■■ for example, .they voted for Johnson last time, that was my point.
It was a combination of the ‘un votable’ Corbyn,.and the dubious charisma if you like of Boris Johnson.
I could not see the likes of the 30s throwback Rees Mogg getting the same results against Corbyn for instance.

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robroy:

tyneside:
Then again in some seats “a pig`s bladder on a stick would be voted in, if it wore a blue rosette”.

Ditto the North East and a red rosette,

Tyneside

Yep, but in a usually major Labour stronghold like Workington in ■■■■■■■ for example, .they voted for Johnson last time, that was my point.
It was a combination of the ‘un votable’ Corbyn,.and the dubious charisma if you like of Boris Johnson.
I could not see the likes of the 30s throwback Rees Mogg getting the same results against Corbyn for instance.

Unelectable Corbyn was more about the fear that him going into coalition with any other leftist party - would trigger the break-up of the UK.

These days, we have Sunak conspiraing with Labour to get them that majority without rubbishing the SNP block first.
How else does one explain that Sunak and Hunt are permitting interest rates to rise so much that surely we have a house price crash AND economic slump on the horizon, with the UK sailing quite calmly AT it, rather than going anywhere but that downturn direction?

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robroy:

Franglais:

robroy:
Cat & Pigeons scenario ?

In the unlikely event some kind of alliance and/or new party does come off… Will it have any effect,.or at least send a message to those in power who are merely going through the motions in a half arsed way, to try and make it look as if they ARE carrying out the will of the democratic vote…(quite unsuccessfully to those who have open eyes and can see what is really going on btw.)
youtu.be/s-4ElfoiVfw

Will Johnson join a party with Farage?

Answer 1
Depends how much you pay him!
For enough money he will do anything.

Answer 2
I doubt it.
His ego wont stand the thought of standing for Parliament and being defeated. That seems to be why he resigned as an MP: he thinks he is about to be, after following all the stages, recalled and have to stand for re-election in his present seat. He is far from guaranteed to be returned there again, and is rumoured to be looking for a new seat. Having done all of 3 or 4 days Parliamentary work this year, I dunno who would want him? Sure he has some very strong (fanatical) fans, but are there enough to vote him in? Then again in some seats "a pigs bladder on a stick would be voted in, if it wore a blue rosette".

Answer 3
Although he has already run away from the Commons, it seems it is still possible that the Standards Committees report might still have some power. Seems that the report will be read tomorrow? Weds 14th. It is possible that the report could be debated, maybe next week. If so, then a motion of censure could be added and could be voted on. That could mean that Johnson is prohibited from standing as an MP ever again. I dont know how likely that is. Seems a lot of “ifs” and “maybes” involved, but outside of his supporters, few seem neutral about him, and it strikes me his current actions are damaging the Tory party, and he will have more than a few from the party who would like him gone permanently.

I reckon 2 is most likely,
He stands to make money on the lecture circuit giving talks as the famous PM who was “hounded from office, by jealous opponents” etc…
So long as he isnt defeated in an election he can sell himself as a champion. He can continue to play the "Im a martyr" act. That will keep his ego intact and the fawning audiences will continue to cough up cash.

Wowsers :open_mouth: :smiley:
And then you tell us it is nothing personal, that you DON’T hate the guy,.then you go on to write virtual thesis on how bad he is. :smiley:

Aye right, I can smell the bile and hear the heavy breathing and seething from here. :laughing:
You should get your blood pressure checked mate, all this mega concern ain’t good for you.

Whether or not he is the biggest criminal since Adolf, or if you love him or not as the TN political commentator, he was the reason the Tories got their first overwhelming majority for years, including in usually staunch Labour areas…their biggest asset, their biggest vote winner.

All this stuff, the party gate (utter ■■■■■■■■) witch hunt the proposed legal action, the betrayal by colleagues,.was the best thing that could happen for the Labour party…as you well know.

robroy:
Wowsers :open_mouth:

Do you need the smelling salts dear? Is your bosom heaving in shock?
Still since you like playing the dame, any excuse to make a melodrama will only please you.

So, I have listed some of Johnson`s faults.
You have again tried to interpret my feelings. Again wrongly, but nowt new there.
Nowhere have I expressed personal hatred or any such have I?

You havent argued that he isnt a liar. You havent said he he isnt lazy. You havent said he isnt avaricious. You havent argued that him only spending a few days in Parliament this year, but taking lucrative lecture dates is untrue. It is YOUR interpretation that these qualities make someone detestable, isnt it?
Or if it isnt, please tell us all about it in your own words. *I* dont want to falsely attribute feelings to you.

Johnson was a very charismatic vote winner. Undoubtedly so. He did win very well in 2019. All true.
Is he as popular now? Are the Tories as popular now?
His fans are very loyal and very vocal, but are they very plentiful?
There has been one poll by Lord Ashcroft which suggested he was still popular in Uxbridge. Most other polls show him as failing badly.
You dont like/trust polls? I dont think that my circle of acquaintances are typical of the whole country, and I doubt yours are too. Polls are not the exact reflection of an election, but they are generally better than our own individuals views. They aint great, but are better than most other tools.

robroy:
Whether or not he is the biggest criminal since Adolf,

Oh my! Pass the smelling salts!
Again. :smiley:

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Oh dear, the inevitable ‘Pantominme dame ’ drama queen’ clutching at pearls’ ‘smelling salts’ retorts yawwwwn…I keep telling you mate, you really need to get some more ‘‘comedy’’ material. :smiley:

Incidentally you are confusing my ‘‘shock’’ and flabbergastednes (is that even a word:::?:)with amusement and ridicule at your incredible involvement and passion for all this stuff…cool it man. :smiley:

Tbf I did say many of your opinions on Boris are true, or did you miss that one rushing to the keyboard to vent your frustration with me. :laughing:

Btw Stop.arguing with me in the context of me being a staunch Tory.
Hang on to I have a sniff of the salts. :smiley:

Cos I ain’t.
My political allegiances are pure mercenary,.I’m a political ■■■■■, I’ll go with anybody if I think they may do me or mine any good.
Hope that clarifies my point my Mr Standfast Labour man (no matter how good or bad they may or may not be. :smiley:) oh ■■■■ I’ve just clutched my Pearl’s too hard, they are all over the deck. :unamused:

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European Commission Vice-President Maroš Šefčovič has been talking about Brexit this week.
He said that the EU needs the UK back inside and they will give in to all of our demands, and that they are really sorry tha…OH…Nope got that wrong.

"“Trade can no longer be as frictionless and dynamic as it was before. This inevitably means additional costs for businesses on both sides,” said Šefčovič at the EU-UK Forum, an annual virtual conference focused on the 2021 EU-UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement and the Windsor Framework.

“Over time, increased divergence may bring even more costs, and it will further deepen the barriers to trade between [the] EU and the UK,” he told the EU-UK Forum annual conference"
Ah, that`s nearer.

The TCA (Trade and Cooperation Agreement) may be revisited in 2026, but dont lets hold our breath,
“It’s a review, not a revision, not a renewal or even amendment of any sort,” said Stefan Fuehring, head of the Commission’s unit on the TCA.

euractiv.com/section/eu-uk- … s-says-eu/

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Winseer:

switchlogic:

Winseer:

switchlogic:
Working towards a rainbow effect are we Winny? Are you trying to tell us you’re a homosexual? Apt being pride month. Welcome to the other side

It is difficult to get away from “Rainbows” this month at least…

To White, British-born Straight Working Class “no rights” people - it is “Keep your head down month” of course… :unamused:

You’ve got ‘no rights’? That’s absolutely comical. You just get prissy that the rest of us are lifted to the same level of rights you’ve always enjoyed

You have the right to conform, but not the right to push back.

The coming depression - will make “conformists” of us all, of course - even me. :frowning:

In other words you don’t have the right to hate people for what they are. Real shocker that I agree

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robroy:
My political allegiances are pure mercenary,.I’m a political ■■■■■, I’ll go with anybody if I think they may do me or mine any good.

So far, Brexit has devalued the pound, made imports more expensive. made queues for UK passport holders longer, made it more difficult for us to work in the EU, and has made UK exports to the EU less competitive.
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Did you hear this one?
A lady walked into a bureau de change, and got her ■■■■■ out. With a big smile on her face she pushed across a bundle of zloty notes.
The cashier hands her a crisp fiver and a few coins.
“Call the police!” she screams “I`ve been raped!”