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We still continue to wear the EU around our ankles like concrete boots…

The Covid situation, be it utter exaggerated bull as I believe, or the Black Death Mk II as those refusing to return from 80% paid gardening leave believe… Has thrown us in the proverbial river - still wearing those damned concrete boots.

If there were really a pandemic out there, we would have used Brexit to close our borders to all but commercial trade traffic with immediate effect.
…Illegal Migrants - would have ceased trying to get here…
…Sunak wouldn’t have to borrow to pay for furlough - the money since ceased being paid to the EU (“Brexit Dividend”) - could have funded quite a bit for a billion per month…
…Hotels around the country would not now be full of asylum seekers from countries not at war, nor running away from Islamic oppression, nor inside the EU, nor even from the Middle East - but guarded by “Bouncer” Serco security at great cost to the UK taxpayer nonetheless.

Road traffic levels - are normal. that means with School Traffic and Furloughed workers presumably “off the road” at this time, and few vehicles having more than just the driver in them - who ARE these people cluttering up our roads all over again?

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It’s lucky we left the EU and concluded the easiest trade deal in history because Turkey joined and they all emigrated,I had to join the ‘EU army’ and all the other members are rushing to leave.

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jamdoms:
It’s lucky we left the EU and concluded the easiest trade deal in history because Turkey joined and they all emigrated,I had to join the ‘EU army’ and all the other members are rushing to leave.

Read your comment about 1 hr ago, and still can’t stop laughing.
You’ve summed up the whole Brexit experience in a two liner, mate. Brilliant :laughing: :laughing:

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jamdoms:
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Not disimilar then to the Israeli-‘Hasbara’,US-‘NSA’,or even the uk’s ‘77th-Brigade’ :open_mouth:

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Surely if Putin were ever that good at all that stuff, he’d have long finished his complete conquest of the Earth without having to worry about pesky Ukrainian ■■■■ collaborators trying to drop him in the crap all the time…?

Whatever happened to “Brazeness” where a political leader is simply powerful enough, honest enough, and doesn’t care at all for “conventions” that they can just do their thing without worrying about the consequences… Above the Law and beyond Spectre, if you will…

The consequences for fictional “bond villains” after all - was having Bond put on their case.

In real life, we have enemy world leaders as our “villains”, with our so-called “ally friends” - acting rather more like our enemies than those pre-accused enemy villains do…

Who are/should we be most afraid of right now?

Jinping who most of us owe money to, who’s already diseased and killed hundreds of us in this country OR Putin who’s killed someone with a cup of coffee, and who’s agents left a poison perfume bottle in the trash that ended up bumping off a random dustbin diver…?

…Our government have been quick to come down like a ton of bricks upon Putin and his regime that wants to sell us cheaper energy, but have done NOTHING to loosen the grip that the Chinese have on our Loan Book - with a bit of hostility towards the man surely behind the Wuhan man-made Virus eh?

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Winseer:
Surely if Putin were ever that good at all that stuff, he’d have long finished his complete conquest of the Earth without having to worry about pesky Ukrainian ■■■■ collaborators trying to drop him in the crap all the time…?

Whatever happened to “Brazeness” where a political leader is simply powerful enough, honest enough, and doesn’t care at all for “conventions” that they can just do their thing without worrying about the consequences… Above the Law and beyond Spectre, if you will…

The consequences for fictional “bond villains” after all - was having Bond put on their case.

In real life, we have enemy world leaders as our “villains”, with our so-called “ally friends” - acting rather more like our enemies than those pre-accused enemy villains do…

Who are/should we be most afraid of right now?

Jinping who most of us owe money to, who’s already diseased and killed hundreds of us in this country OR Putin who’s killed someone with a cup of coffee, and who’s agents left a poison perfume bottle in the trash that ended up bumping off a random dustbin diver…?

…Our government have been quick to come down like a ton of bricks upon Putin and his regime that wants to sell us cheaper energy, but have done NOTHING to loosen the grip that the Chinese have on our Loan Book - with a bit of hostility towards the man surely behind the Wuhan man-made Virus eh?

twenty + Tory MPS have accepted Russian money in donations (what do they get in return?).

We have the son of a KGB spy just been made a Lord.

The Russians are the Tory Party’s largest backer.

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Winseer:
Perhaps negotiations should have beeen boiled down to this.

"We’ve left the EU politically, and we have two choices for a trade agreement.

Either we have free trade, in that both sides pay no tariffs, neither side pays any commisions - just the funds due for the goods being transported.
OR
We don’t trade with each other at all, 100% two-way trade embargo.

You go and trade with your neighbors, we’ll use our coastline and ports to re-establish a trading empire that’ll be the envy of the dutch, that might yet follow us out of the EU themselves…

Or why not forge an alliance with Scandinavia,(if they’d have us); scrap Trident and any land-guzzling,economic/mass-concreting of our landscapes and facilitate a radical arrest of ludicrously high population expansions,an unfortunate by-product of all this 'growth’and totally unsustainable. Confiscate all aristocratic stately piles (behind every fortune,lies a great crime) as they say.

Monarchy put out to pasture,build handsome chalet-type houses on the aristos,confiscated lands,as well as on a good number of golf-courses :imp: ,abolish usury bank practices and rollout mass hemp/cannabis farming.I’m sure you’d agree gentlemen,an efficacious manifesto for the new era?

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manalishi:

Winseer:
Perhaps negotiations should have beeen boiled down to this.

"We’ve left the EU politically, and we have two choices for a trade agreement.

Either we have free trade, in that both sides pay no tariffs, neither side pays any commisions - just the funds due for the goods being transported.
OR
We don’t trade with each other at all, 100% two-way trade embargo.

You go and trade with your neighbors, we’ll use our coastline and ports to re-establish a trading empire that’ll be the envy of the dutch, that might yet follow us out of the EU themselves…

Or why not forge an alliance with Scandinavia,(if they’d have us); scrap Trident and any land-guzzling,economic/mass-concreting of our landscapes and facilitate a radical arrest of ludicrously high population expansions,an unfortunate by-product of all this 'growth’and totally unsustainable. Confiscate all aristocratic stately piles (behind every fortune,lies a great crime) as they say.

Monarchy put out to pasture,build handsome chalet-type houses on the aristos,confiscated lands,as well as on a good number of golf-courses :imp: ,abolish usury bank practices and rollout mass hemp/cannabis farming.I’m sure you’d agree gentlemen,an efficacious manifesto for the new era?

An alliance with the Scandinavian countries?
Denmark EU member.
Finland EU member.
Sweden EU member.
Norway EFTA member.
.
I guess they aren’t going to cut loose from a free trading group of over twenty countries to form one with just us, are they?
They aren’t stupid.
.
Edit to add
Apologies to Iceland.
Also in EFTA.

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Franglais:

manalishi:

Winseer:
Perhaps negotiations should have beeen boiled down to this.

"We’ve left the EU politically, and we have two choices for a trade agreement.

Either we have free trade, in that both sides pay no tariffs, neither side pays any commisions - just the funds due for the goods being transported.
OR
We don’t trade with each other at all, 100% two-way trade embargo.

You go and trade with your neighbors, we’ll use our coastline and ports to re-establish a trading empire that’ll be the envy of the dutch, that might yet follow us out of the EU themselves…

Or why not forge an alliance with Scandinavia,(if they’d have us); scrap Trident and any land-guzzling,economic/mass-concreting of our landscapes and facilitate a radical arrest of ludicrously high population expansions,an unfortunate by-product of all this 'growth’and totally unsustainable. Confiscate all aristocratic stately piles (behind every fortune,lies a great crime) as they say.

Monarchy put out to pasture,build handsome chalet-type houses on the aristos,confiscated lands,as well as on a good number of golf-courses :imp: ,abolish usury bank practices and rollout mass hemp/cannabis farming.I’m sure you’d agree gentlemen,an efficacious manifesto for the new era?

An alliance with the Scandinavian countries?
Denmark EU member.
Finland EU member.
Sweden EU member.
Norway EFTA member.
.
I guess they aren’t going to cut loose from a free trading group of over twenty countries to form one with just us, are they?
They aren’t stupid.
.
Edit to add
Apologies to Iceland.
Also in EFTA.

Well yep i’m sure the entire populace of those fine countries are fully onboard with this arrangement,even the Kalergi-underscored swampings of low-grade,gimmegrants washing up there must be a highly desirable situation all round eh ?

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Norway - yes. Not so easy for Sweden though.

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Sweden was always ripe for the plucking by the Soros crowd.All that,tolerant,welcoming egalitarianism they’re noted for must be getting massive boosts from current,Somali,Eritrean,Afghan,diversity-enhancements making it’s presence felt.Anyone would think there’s an agenda at play here,something along the lines of culturally, toxic,native-populace replacement at large.But that’s just conspiracy,right? :confused:

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Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden are all in the Schengen area, by the by.

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I know, some of you are not keen on me posting videos, you much more prefer to read, I guess, but this man posts such quality clips, that I can’t find a better, clearer, easier way for everybody to understand what’s going on with Brexit, but, on the other hand, I also prefer to watch videos myself, especially these days, when we all have huge allowances of data, that we will never be able to use in a month, so I actually prefer to play myself some videos instead of reading long article during my break, in my cab, or just download to my tablet and listen to it while driving.

So, here are three latest gems , everybody should listen to:

Brexiteer, Ian Duncan Smith, Argues Against Brexit Deal He Voted For Multiple Times

Iain Duncan Smith, a Conservative brexit supporting MP who voted for Johnson’s withdrawal agreement multiple times in Parliament, as well as voting for it to avoid the normal parliamentary scrutiny, is now saying that it is a bad deal for the UK. For any brexit supporter who supported the withdrawal agreement, to now say that it’s a bad deal for the UK would strike me as a little dumb. But this comes from someone who voted for it multiple times, and campaigned for it during the general election.
youtube.com/watch?v=CaEPTrtCCao&t=687s

Brexit Proposal for Border Around Kent

As well as building large lorry parks to deal with the brexit chaos of lorries being stuck in tailbacks around Dover, the Department for Transport are proposing that hauliers carry passports just to be able to drive into Kent as a result of brexit preparations.

youtube.com/watch?v=1TVdAff87fQ

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anon84679660:
I know, some of you are not keen on me posting videos, you much more prefer to read, I guess, but this man posts such quality clips, that I can’t find a better, clearer, easier way for everybody to understand what’s going on with Brexit, but, on the other hand, I also prefer to watch videos myself, especially these days, when we all have huge allowances of data, that we will never be able to use in a month, so I actually prefer to play myself some videos instead of reading long article during my break, in my cab, or just download to my tablet and listen to it while driving.

So, here are three latest gems , everybody should listen to:

Brexiteer, Ian Duncan Smith, Argues Against Brexit Deal He Voted For Multiple Times

Iain Duncan Smith, a Conservative brexit supporting MP who voted for Johnson’s withdrawal agreement multiple times in Parliament, as well as voting for it to avoid the normal parliamentary scrutiny, is now saying that it is a bad deal for the UK. For any brexit supporter who supported the withdrawal agreement, to now say that it’s a bad deal for the UK would strike me as a little dumb. But this comes from someone who voted for it multiple times, and campaigned for it during the general election.
youtube.com/watch?v=CaEPTrtCCao&t=687s

Brexit Proposal for Border Around Kent

As well as building large lorry parks to deal with the brexit chaos of lorries being stuck in tailbacks around Dover, the Department for Transport are proposing that hauliers carry passports just to be able to drive into Kent as a result of brexit preparations.

youtube.com/watch?v=1TVdAff87fQ

PLEASE DON’T FORGET THIS WAS THE ‘OVEN READY’ ‘GOOD TO GO’ DEAL, THE VILLAGE IDIOT WAS SPOUTING ON ABOUT ENDLESSLY.

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This “Oven Ready Deal” - was for the EU to grab with both hands then and there - since it was already rather unpopular, and as said “only reluctantly voted for” by ERG Tory MPs in particular.

That the EU have since tried to move the goalposts as usual however, puts No Deal back on the table with a slam.

Now is the time for the UK to move the goalposts in that “The longer the EU takes to accept full implementation - the worse that final outcome is going to be for them”.

That we’ve been made to wait from January 31st to December 31st - nearly a full year - was supposedly to get all the fresh and updated INFRASTRUCTURE in place - NOT permit the EU to “carry on negotiations” since they are supposedly already OVER as of January 31st.

However, I’m more disappointed in the meantime that there is no hostility towards the EU as our ongoing political enemies, a FAR more easy entity to press home a deal good for the UK with if we’d always treated them thus.

Boris is trying to execute Brexit as if he were removing a bee sting without killing the bee in the process…
Bugger this proverbial Bee’s welfare. I don’t have anything against Bees, but if the choice is between “remove that sting, and the bee dies” or “leave it in, we don’t want to hurt the bee” - then sorry bee, nothing personal - but you’re toast!

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Winseer:
This “Oven Ready Deal” - was for the EU to grab with both hands then and there - since it was already rather unpopular, and as said “only reluctantly voted for” by ERG Tory MPs in particular.

That the EU have since tried to move the goalposts as usual however, puts No Deal back on the table with a slam.

Now is the time for the UK to move the goalposts in that “The longer the EU takes to accept full implementation - the worse that final outcome is going to be for them”.

That we’ve been made to wait from January 31st to December 31st - nearly a full year - was supposedly to get all the fresh and updated INFRASTRUCTURE in place - NOT permit the EU to “carry on negotiations” since they are supposedly already OVER as of January 31st.

However, I’m more disappointed in the meantime that there is no hostility towards the EU as our ongoing political enemies, a FAR more easy entity to press home a deal good for the UK with if we’d always treated them thus.

Boris is trying to execute Brexit as if he were removing a bee sting without killing the bee in the process…
Bugger this proverbial Bee’s welfare. I don’t have anything against Bees, but if the choice is between “remove that sting, and the bee dies” or “leave it in, we don’t want to hurt the bee” - then sorry bee, nothing personal - but you’re toast!

ummm what have the EU moved on?

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Winseer:
Boris is trying to execute Brexit as if he were removing a bee sting without killing the bee in the process…
Bugger this proverbial Bee’s welfare. I don’t have anything against Bees, but if the choice is between “remove that sting, and the bee dies” or “leave it in, we don’t want to hurt the bee” - then sorry bee, nothing personal - but you’re toast!

Fog in the Channel.
Europe isolated.

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Darkside:

Winseer:
This “Oven Ready Deal” - was for the EU to grab with both hands then and there - since it was already rather unpopular, and as said “only reluctantly voted for” by ERG Tory MPs in particular.

That the EU have since tried to move the goalposts as usual however, puts No Deal back on the table with a slam.

Now is the time for the UK to move the goalposts in that “The longer the EU takes to accept full implementation - the worse that final outcome is going to be for them”.

That we’ve been made to wait from January 31st to December 31st - nearly a full year - was supposedly to get all the fresh and updated INFRASTRUCTURE in place - NOT permit the EU to “carry on negotiations” since they are supposedly already OVER as of January 31st.

However, I’m more disappointed in the meantime that there is no hostility towards the EU as our ongoing political enemies, a FAR more easy entity to press home a deal good for the UK with if we’d always treated them thus.

Boris is trying to execute Brexit as if he were removing a bee sting without killing the bee in the process…
Bugger this proverbial Bee’s welfare. I don’t have anything against Bees, but if the choice is between “remove that sting, and the bee dies” or “leave it in, we don’t want to hurt the bee” - then sorry bee, nothing personal - but you’re toast!

ummm what have the EU moved on?

The EU wanted more than what was already rather generous in the “Oven Ready Deal”, for instance Fishing Rights in our waters, which we’d supposedly ruled out already.
If they’d grabbed with both hands that oven ready deal, the trade deal following January 31st - would have been a formality, requiring only that EU fishing boats stay out of UK waters, no tariffs to be charged EITHER way across the channel, and business continuing as normal right upto December 31st, with the £1billion per month still being paid up until that point.

Each month that goes by where we pay up, and then the EU attempts to move the goalposts, means that we end up paying more for longer of course.
It is Win/Win for the EU each and every time they can find some reason ANY reason why “THEY” won’t be ready by december 31st.

They are utter filthy ingrates of course, and in more senible times, we might have taken them all into the British Empire following 1945 at the same time Russia took Eastern Europe into their Empire. A balance of power would have ensued, we would have had the Americans leaving us to it, and the EU parliament would still be speaking English, still involve a lot of the same insitutions - but ultimately ruled by UK with US assistance rather than Germany with French assistance.

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Winseer:

Darkside:

Winseer:
This “Oven Ready Deal” - was for the EU to grab with both hands then and there - since it was already rather unpopular, and as said “only reluctantly voted for” by ERG Tory MPs in particular.

That the EU have since tried to move the goalposts as usual however, puts No Deal back on the table with a slam.

Now is the time for the UK to move the goalposts in that “The longer the EU takes to accept full implementation - the worse that final outcome is going to be for them”.

That we’ve been made to wait from January 31st to December 31st - nearly a full year - was supposedly to get all the fresh and updated INFRASTRUCTURE in place - NOT permit the EU to “carry on negotiations” since they are supposedly already OVER as of January 31st.

However, I’m more disappointed in the meantime that there is no hostility towards the EU as our ongoing political enemies, a FAR more easy entity to press home a deal good for the UK with if we’d always treated them thus.

Boris is trying to execute Brexit as if he were removing a bee sting without killing the bee in the process…
Bugger this proverbial Bee’s welfare. I don’t have anything against Bees, but if the choice is between “remove that sting, and the bee dies” or “leave it in, we don’t want to hurt the bee” - then sorry bee, nothing personal - but you’re toast!

ummm what have the EU moved on?

The EU wanted more than what was already rather generous in the “Oven Ready Deal”, for instance Fishing Rights in our waters, which we’d supposedly ruled out already.
If they’d grabbed with both hands that oven ready deal, the trade deal following January 31st - would have been a formality, requiring only that EU fishing boats stay out of UK waters, no tariffs to be charged EITHER way across the channel, and business continuing as normal right upto December 31st, with the £1billion per month still being paid up until that point.

Each month that goes by where we pay up, and then the EU attempts to move the goalposts, means that we end up paying more for longer of course.
It is Win/Win for the EU each and every time they can find some reason ANY reason why “THEY” won’t be ready by december 31st.

They are utter filthy ingrates of course, and in more senible times, we might have taken them all into the British Empire following 1945 at the same time Russia took Eastern Europe into their Empire. A balance of power would have ensued, we would have had the Americans leaving us to it, and the EU parliament would still be speaking English, still involve a lot of the same insitutions - but ultimately ruled by UK with US assistance rather than Germany with French assistance.

That isn’t quite right mate, they have always took the same position, it is just that our lot have got around to reading the small print (IDS for example) and have worked out how bad it really is.

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I would imaging that the thinking was that if ERG members passed Boris’ “Oven Ready Deal” just to get it past parliament and the hardliner Remainers, then the goalpost could always be moved towards a more-favourable-for-the-UK version later taking the gamble that the EU wouldn’t then upset the applecart by “grabbing that deal with both hands” - whilst it was hot…

Too late now though. We’re free to draw our own red lines.