Darkside:
Russian Report being released next Wednesday apparently…
Nice to see that the Committee system wasn’t successfully perverted by Johnson.
Childish to withdraw whip from Julian Lewis of course.
And another stunning result for Grayling, as he fails to win even a “fixed” contest!
Yes, Russian Report is going to an interesting read.
A huge development in the Russian report scandal as Boris Johnson’s pick to chair the vital Intelligence and Security Committee, Chris Grayling, was ambushed by another Conservative MP, along with Labour and SNP members. Julian Lewis MP is now to be the chair, and was promptly expelled from the Conservative parliamentary party, suggesting that the Russian report may not be buried as Johnson wants after all.
What would you argue is the best and worst possible outcomes as of here?
I’m not expect “To make Keir Starmer PM This Year” as an answer, as the easiest way for the Tories to achieve that is to either complete or scrap Brexit… Once December 31st has been and gone - we’ll know where we stand - right?
If Boris decides to scrap it AFTER all, there’s no point “not voting for Starmer” any longer - is there?
We’re only boycotting him at present, because Brexit might yet be allowed to go through - all the while he’s not in Number 10. 
Who actually gives a toss about Russia right now anyways?
We could have had some cheap energy from them, but that’s all kicked into touch by our souring relations these past five years in particular…
Most people are more worried about being
(1) Kllled by the economic collapse taking place
(2) Killed by our borders staying open, allowing either Foreigners (Brexiteer Argument) or Covid (Remainer Argument) to get in here, and make our lives a misery.
(3) Killed by some kid with a knife (Inner City Argument)
(4) Killed by noxious substances (Rural Argument)
(5) Killed by a Truck (Cyclist and Scooterer Argument)
(6) Killed by Stress (Worker’s Argument)
(7) Killed by British-sourced Food (5th Column Remainer Argument)
(8) Killed by Anyone Right of Karl Marx (Momentum Argument)
(9) Killed by Anyone Left of Genghis Khan (T.Robinson Argument)
and finally
(10) Killed by anyone working for Sadiq Khan (TfLPhobia argument - Every Journey Matters)
I don’t think “Killed by Putin” or “Finding some loose nerve agent lying about” - figures anywhere in the top thousand “reasons to be killed”, unless you’re an assassin recently been sent out to get him…
(Warning: Contains Cartoon Peril)
I can’t wait for Dec 31st
Then we can put this thread in the bin 
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pierrot 14:
I can’t wait for Dec 31stThen we can put this thread in the bin
Go back to threads from say, 2011-12 and there was no talk of Brexit, or ever having a referendum of any kind.
Plenty about the money being wasted on the then upcoming Olympics though!
Then there’s this travesty where good old reliable Leftie Rag “Guardian” decides to talk to some Croydon Rioters from the out-of-control “peaceful” whatever they were fighting for that time around, from the year before 2011…
No Remaining cause to moan in the name of back in 2012 don’t forget. It is even Proto-Momentum here.
Was anyone ■■■■■■ off when Cleggy didn’t prop up Gordon Brown with the SNP? I thought Cleggy was in favour of Remain as was Sturgeon… Didn’t they have any common ground there?
Cameron ran on a ticket of “holding an in/out referendum” and won a full majority in the 2015 election. Sturgeon got barely half the votes Cleggy got, but she won 56 seats, nearly every seat in Scotland with also barely more than what turned out to be the Leave winning margin a year later… Farage Zero, stays at Zero and achieved more from a permanent faceplanted position than the whole of Westminster added together.
“Woe to you, Scribes, Pharisees, and Teachers of the Law - Hypocrites All!”
J.Christ, AD 30. Matthew 23:13
Government panic over Russian Report release
As soon as it was announced that the report into Russian interference in British democracy was going to be released, the government went into panic mode and produced a statement admitting to interference, but distracting attention away from the subject of the report.
Need it market race to the bottom, lowering food standards
With the re-patriation of decisions formerly taken by the European Parliament to the UK, a row has blown up between Boris Johnson’s government and the devolved authorities of the UK over food standards and the inevitable race to the bottom that brexit and the US trade deal will bring with it.
anon84679660:
Need it market race to the bottom, lowering food standardsWith the re-patriation of decisions formerly taken by the European Parliament to the UK, a row has blown up between Boris Johnson’s government and the devolved authorities of the UK over food standards and the inevitable race to the bottom that brexit and the US trade deal will bring with it.
Do we have to have a paragraph or two, followed by a link to the same YouTube show?
Those of us who may have been unaware of this channel will be able to find it again if we want. Those who dislike it won’t bother watching much past the intro.
Try a different tack, to get your message across?
These vids are not exactly Tousi quality - are they?
Winseer:
These vids are not exactly Tousi quality - are they?
They aren’t as expensively produced as some others, and won’t appeal to those who need “Slam!, Pow!, Zap!” graphics.
Not as flashy as “£350million” written on the side of a bus, that’s for sure.
I think you’re confusing Tousi with Watson there, but I was actually getting at a video containing actual news with supporting news video rather than just wild speculations about “who said what” and putting THAT out as a video… You don’t think everything Trump tweets is actually Trump for example… On the other hand, Trump’s rallies stand on their own merit - what he says there - he said.
Attention to Detail - is an important thing to consider when making a video.
It needs proven details to hold my attention… I still have not been shown what Liz Truss was supposed to have done or said, as there was no footage of her actually saying or doing anything.
I don’t give a ■■■■ if she’s rumoured to have received this letter, or licked the flaps of that cleaner etc etc. Text and Pictures are a lot easier to make up and put out as “fake news” than Videos ever were - even doctored ones…
Examples:
With this picture, it was widely reported that it had been doctored from an original showing the same old dear apparently fist-bumping Corbyn, rather than giving him the finger.
Trouble was, that the picture was “doctored” in some way - ended up becoming the conspiracy, and few were ever interested in seeing the alleged “original” photo, so rare - that I’ve been unable to source an unfettered copy of myself…
this picture was widely reported to be racist, xeonophobic, right-wing, and everything else under the sun.
What it wasn’t however - was re-produced alongside the rants against it to kinda “back up” those rants.
Argument Lost then and there, then.
If a picture has something wrong with it, highlight what and why, rather than just talk about it, whilst refusing to re-produce it.
The picture went up as official posters all around the country, and clearly didn’t offend any actual real laws of decency, etc.
Was this picture ever doctored? - No one was moaning one way or the other, so it is irrelevant.
The EU originally obliged the UK under it’s rules that we were to take on a quota of foreign refugees, including women and children.
As free-thinking citizens, we are all capable of believing what we like as “Truth”, and choosing to believe what lies we like as well.
The grey area in between the two - being told by others to make that choice on their behalf instead of yours.
We’ve all got different skill sets, beliefs, and intellect. The blend of the three can skew up some quite way-off-average results on occasion.
When you screw up in a computer game, you can just re-load your last save before you made whatever mistake made you lose.
In real life - we cannot do that, however.
When we make a mistake, even and especially in good faith - we have to RUN with it, - or be run over by it.
To Paraphrase Churchill,
“If you take a wrong turn, and find yourself in Hell - keep on going - no sense standing still in utter perdition - there is light at the end of the tunnel - IF you keep going.”
I’m amazed how much spare time some of you have on your hands, to be arguing, posting long replies.
I don’t have time for getting myself involved in arguments that lead nowhere, I much more prefer to post interesting videos, articles, that I had read, for others to read and make up their minds.
anon84679660:
I’m amazed how much spare time some of you have on your hands, to be arguing, posting long replies.
I don’t have time for getting myself involved in arguments that lead nowhere, I much more prefer to post interesting videos, articles, that I had read, for others to read and make up their minds.
Here’s the short version for you:
The videos I watch, have had some effort put in, gathering actual evidence which includes things captured on video rather than merely spoken of, third-party, Chinese Whispers style.
Too many videos out there just bang on about "I heard the guy down the pub tell my old mate this was said or done by hated Donald Trump/Boris Johnson/Dominic Cummings/
I lose interest as soon as it becomes apparent there’s no actual fresh material there, and it’s just another dig at the incumbent conservatives (with a small c)
The last Leftie videos I watched that actually made me laugh, and I enjoyed - were the Cassetteboy ones…
The “Theresa May and the Holy Grail” was a Left-produce quite-funny one too…
On the whole though, “The Left Cannot Meme”. 
Steven Fry does the commentary on this vid.
Nice cartoony graphics too.
Of course the message might be indigestible for some, but Hey! let`s just ignore the truth and whistle as that good ole communicator Johnson spins us more stories. ■■■■■■■■ it all may be, but he is a good story teller.
youtube.com/watch?v=hmnkutTvQnI
Brexit vote hits leave areas the hardest
Districts with high levels of low-skilled employment have underperformed most since 2016
Areas of the UK that voted to leave the EU have suffered the biggest economic hit since the 2016 referendum, according to new research that suggests Brexit is likely to further complicate efforts to level up underperforming regions.
The research from the Centre for Competitive Advantage in the Global Economy at Warwick University found that the parts of the UK with high levels of low-skilled and manufacturing employment have underperformed most since 2016. These areas also heavily voted Leave in the EU referendum.
Many of the districts were won by the Conservatives for the first time in the 2019 election and have unusually high levels of furloughed workers, raising the prospect that they could also be hardest hit by the coronavirus recession.
The West Midlands and Northern Ireland suffered the biggest losses between the 2016 referendum and the third quarter of 2019, with both economies more than 4 per cent smaller than they could have been if Remain had won the vote.
Wales, London and Yorkshire and Humberside suffered the least, with losses below 2 per cent over the period. London initially performed poorly as the housing market struggled after the Brexit vote, but it recovered strongly in 2019.
The work at Warwick University built on numerous studies that have documented the UK economy’s underperformance compared with other countries since the EU referendum.
Although precise estimates vary, the consensus reflected in calculations from the Office for Budget Responsibility in March suggests that Britain’s economy is around 2 per cent smaller than it would have been had Remain won the referendum.
The losses have been caused by the fall in sterling, which reduced household incomes by raising the price of imports, coupled with extremely weak business investment.
In the paper, the University of Warwick’s Thiemo Fetzer and Shizhuo Wang compared the performance of each of the regions, nations and local areas of the UK with a simulated economy based on the areas of the world that most resembled each region before the EU referendum.
They found that each region performed worse than expected between the second quarter of 2016 and the third quarter of 2019
However, when the researchers looked at the local authority level, there was a strong link between voting patterns and the economic costs of Brexit.
Of the 382 local authorities studied, for which the data currently only extends to 2018, the authors found that 255 were likely to be losers from Brexit and 127 were winners.
Of the 255, 168 areas were “clear Brexit losers”, according to the research. These performed worse after 2016 than the statistical models predicted on all configurations. There were only 78 “clear Brexit winners”.
The study also showed that economic performance in areas that voted to leave the EU was weaker after the referendum.
Previous work by Mr Fetzer suggested there was a direct causal link between the intensity of austerity in an area and the extent of the local vote to leave the EU. “It’s the areas that were already hurting the most that seem to be hurt the most by Brexit,” Mr Fetzer said.
The type of analysis that compares what has happened with a made-up alternative reality based on the performance of statistically similar areas is controversial and has been questioned in the past over the extent of the Brexit effect on economic performance.
But John Springford, deputy director of the Centre for European Reform, which cancelled publication of a similar national estimate of the cost of Brexit, said that the technique would still be valuable for assessing the relative performance of different areas.
“Even if the magnitudes are questionable,” he said, “if you are satisfied the comparators are reasonable, it is as good a way as any of getting a sense of the Brexit effect”.
Mr Fetzer said the manufacturing-heavy areas that the government wants to level up might face an even bigger challenge once the Brexit transition phase is over and frictions are introduced in the UK goods trade with the EU.
“My hunch is that a lot of the gap [in Brexit-voting areas] is due to a decline in investment [since 2016] which is not primarily hitting workers yet, but that undermines the basis of future prosperity,” he said.
Brexit - the beast that eats its own children?
In fairness, they did say that they’d rather be poor. poor it is, ones get what ones wished for.
The real con is that the rich guys got the poor guys to vote for them so they could become even richer.
SURPRISE SURPRISE.
But camp leave told them that " we’d have access to the single market AND a deal would be EASY to do. …"
Some even went further and told them that it was " Oven Ready " …the reality is that ready meals are proving to be unacceptable and lack a healthy substance. …oh well, get ready for your chlorinated chicken & GM crops, not to mention the beef. …
to quote from what a wise man once said:
… “I cannot imagine a more gruesome punishment than letting the people endure the consequneces of their choices…”
I constantly wonder now if Boris Johnsono is the EU’s last line of defence…
We’ve had what appears to be a totally unnecessary economic lockdown designed to put as many of us out of work as possible…
Not a “Quarentine” lockdown though, as our airpots and seaports NEVER got totally shut down, when the Brexit Mandate could have closed the entire border, and only let commercial traffic through, able to now be thorougly checked, as there’s no foot passengers, cars going on ferry, holidaymakers flying out, etc.
The economic damage of an economic lockdown - is worst than the very darkest fears of hardened remainers, who have always believed being shafted gently by paying the EU 10 figures per month - is better than trying to recoup that money, and spend it on ourselves back here at home.
Plenty of money to re-patriate illegal immigrants to here, rather than forcibly deport them,
Plenty of money to comply with the EU Courts of Justice, rather than pull the plug on the HRC, and go out of our way to make Britain as a destination “as undesirable as possible” for would-be “migrants”…
Plenty of money for interpreters, benefits, and other freebies whilst turning a blind eye to any sweatshops that might be set up, as they take on a lot of such people.
Just because it “gets into the news” - doesnt’ mean that anything is being done about it.
Plenty of money for employers to pick and choose who gets furlough pay, and who gets let go without even a dismissal in writing…
…and yet NO money for those things that are spiralling out of control, like Utility bills, and non-maskable expenses that PAYE people just don’t get to claim anything back on.
It isn’t correct to describe “people falling through Sunak’s net”, since he didn’t cast one out in the FIRST place, from what I’ve seen.
It even looks like the case now that anyone “still on furlough” at this point - might now not have a job to go back to - ever AND the money dries up before the end of the year… Will Sunak beef up the benefits system then?
…Or is the bottom going to fall out of the “Mental Well-being” among the general public?
People in my neighborhood are getting letters demanding immediate payments for thinks like Water Arrears, ticketed for their permit running out, when there’s no council office to pick up a replacement one, and other aspects of “revenue TO the government” being pursused. “Non payment of poll tax” seems to be the first debt that has a “bayliff threat” in the letters being sent out. Again, this isn’t about me - this is about my entire neighborhood. I’m up-to-date with all my bills, but have fallen into overdraft these past few months… I had a letter from bank stating that the interest rate on that overdraft is going to be doubled from 1st august, so thanks a bunch long-standing bank when base rate is 0.1% - Thieving scumbags! 
Sunak - needs to spend some money on high pay job creation, NOT agency shifts, but actual full time jobs that won’t ever need a “in-work benefits top-up”, and can afford to pay those future higher taxes that must surely be on their way?
…Or are we all going to get together (western nations) and tell China where to get off with all our joint national debts?
…Max out the National Debt “credit card”, and then hold a bond market moratorium combined with the abolition of VAT so that anyone holding bonds or gold - loses their shirts… “For the greater good” you understand!
Shareholders - are already seeing dividends being cancelled now across the board…
Before long, there won’t be any way to earn a living EXCEPT by taking a low-paid “serfdom” job - including for those people who’d THOUGHT they’d retired, but alas their investments - no longer provide an income…
Why cancel people’s gold-plated pensions, when you can just reduce them so low that the retirees top themselves, rather than sign on for benefits?
We’re being force-fed all the downsides of everything and anything at present, not just “Brexit Stuff”.
Where’s the upsides? The bread and circuses that would be criminal immigrants being shipped back to France - all over the news, for instance?
There’s no point going after villains - if all the government wants to do is REPLACE them in the “marketplace”…
No more “County Lines” - because we’ve busted you all, so the government will now take over that you have to go through an intermediary to get anything you want from now on… Hard-to-get Drugs? - Ask. Job? - Ask. Shop where you can buy food without being the whole day doing it? - Ask.
Perhaps we’re meant to humbly beg our government’s forgiveness for ever voting to Leave, and the EU will then let us back in with open arms, but of course we never actually left…
We were offered a peace treaty and non-aggression pact with Germany between the Dunkirk evacuation and the Battle of Britain… If we’d taken it, the blitz would not have happened. Should we have taken it? Should we have been asked?
I would say “If you might not like the answer - don’t ask the ■■■■■■■ question!”.
If we’d been asked, the country MIGHT have gone “I don’t want to be bombed. Let Hitler clean up in Europe, and leave the UK OUT of it.”
We’d have still lost the empire of course, and might have only postponed our demise a few more months before Hitler did an “Operation Barbarossa” against the UK re-newing hostilities further down the line, once the mainland was fully consolidated…
Churchill is often considered a butcher for not even considering a peace in 1940 then. Will Boris and Sunak be remembered badly by History NOT because the Covid death rate was >0 which seems to be a good reason for the Left to want shot of them… How about the over a million that are already dying, and have yet to die from utter financial ruin, even those not thinking that they were at any risk?
If the Government defaults the state pension - what you gonna do about it? You may (1) Become an activist (2) Kill yourself - that’s it. You COULD take the “do nothing” third option, and just let nature (starvation in this case) take it’s course - but only the VERY old and infirm - are going to let this happen to them - surely?
We need to be hostile as a country towards the EU and China, rather than ourselves and Trump’s America.
We already know that Brexit gets cancelled if Trump loses in November anyways, so why not go on screen and admit that?
There’s a reason that the end of the “imeplemtation period” was very carefully selected to be after Trump gets removed, as Biden’s odds (who surely cannot win?) are remarklbly short (odds-on!) as if the result were known in advance…
We’ve all got a choice: Take it lying down, do something about the SYSTEM rather than the government lickcocking up to it, or “go home and wait for God”…
Forget Keir Starmer - he hasn’t got any answers. He’s one OF them.
In fact, I don’t think there’s anyone left at Westminster now who actually has the people of the UK’s welfare - that is those of us born here - at heart.
History shows that if you push people TOO far - then they end up choosing between “Certain death” if the false peacetime continues or choosing “War” - just to get us out of the Rut, just as WWII got America out of the depression, and onto a far stronger recovery post-war than the UK ever had.
Sunak hasn’t “refused to re-instate austerity” - he’s now refused to END it, and guaranteed to now be extending it.
This time around the “I’m alright jack” generation that used to be buyers of 4x4s, BMW,s etc - now find themselves both running out of money, and unable to afford the ramping-up debt repayments that they’ve tried to plug the spending gap in their OWN lives with.
I await the inevitable news reports of entire families self-destructing as and when the money runs out at a very personal level for them. They won’t even raise money by selling “assets” when they get short, as who’s got any money left to buy their stuff - at least at a decent price?
Brexit hasn’t happened for most people yet:
Brexit is complete when the money we pay the EU each month - has entirely been re-allocated to UK local spending.
Awash with such cash, AND on top of either long term zero interest rates OR our imminent debt default - this country could afford the panacea of reducing taxes to such an extent, that the only “losers from Brexit” will be accountants who no longer have any non-taxes to get people out of paying… Redundant!
If you scrap VAT - anyone trying to claim VAT back from the exchqeur - has now lost that money. These are people that can afford to lose it though, as on the whole - no one starts up a business to deliberately lose money, but that’s how new-starts often end up, the “overheads” being largely unanticipated by starry-eyed entrepeneurs…
Also, if you scrap VAT - things like Gold where VAT has been paid to “take delivery thereof” - cannot be claimed by neither - but hey, if you own a few gold bars - you can afford to take such a haircut - right?
If you reduce income taxes - people currently claiming tax offsets - don’t get to claim quite so much back. They are forced to rein in their wasteful spending at least a little…
If you raise Capital Gains Taxes - there’s no point having “Exceptions” - or accountants are back in play again, with everyone and his dog jumping through whatever loopholes they need to to “avoid paying this tax”.
CGT is notoriously hard to collect, in any case. unless you make it unmaskable, but with a high starting threshold. I would suggest “six figure profits and up pay 50%” with nothing below that.
This would encourage “traders” to run shops, peddle their goods, pile it high, sell it cheap. No need to chase big one-off profits in favour of tiny, but multple profitable transactions.
It would also make things like the Stock Market more liquid, as the largest investors would have to break down what used to be their larger trades (highly likely to profit by six figures plus each trade!) into smaller trades, which means ever-greater price liquidity in the marketplace. Not so easy to manipulate said market by chunking big buy/sell orders at the first sniff of a breaking price-affecting news article before the main pack… A fairer marketplace perhaps? With such liquidity, places like the City of London would boom even more than they already have. People could walk into a high street bank, buying and selling shares over the counter with INSTANT settlement, rather than having to wait some days for their money. This issue of “Instant” liquidity - is what makes Bitcoin a big no-no for would be investors and futurists alike:
Until such time comes when you can sell bitcoin for cash money as easy as you can buy it - it will never take off.
The most out-of-reach one can make a gold bar - real money - is to chuck it in the deepest part of the ocean. A bitcoin wallet though? Destroy the device - and the money is gone…
I might have spent years building up a fortune in bitcoin - only for some damage/theft/extortion/hacking to have occured against my “wallet” - and it’s all gone in an instant. We don’t need a fancy new money system that is easier to SPEND - but instead one that is easier to HOLD.
I’ll take a million in a high street bank account any day. Even if the bank gets robbed - I don’t lose my cash. Even if the bank burns down - I don’t lose my cash.
Hacked? - I wouldn’t keep it all in one place, bearing in mind the maximum guaranteed amount is something like 80k. There’s no law that prevents people from having multiple bank accounts, and most millionaires will of course already have exactly that.
I believe then that “imrproving liquidity” in our post-modern world -is the answer going forward.
We don’t live in a world where “welching a debt makes you go to hell” any longer. That’s an old Usary concept.
I predict that “Stategic Default” will become rather popular in the downturn to come. If you’ve got no money, have nothing to sell to raise cash, and have some Chinese outfit demanding your very soul, pound of flesh, and restitution? - You can either say “Yessir!” like the Elite Lickcocks do, already long bought-over by China, OR you can stand upto them and just say NO. China are NOT going to send armed soldiers around your house any time soon. They might be “un-invadable”, but Chinese troops spread around the world? Like a fish out of water IF we nip this totalitarian globalist thing in the bud.
If you’re against Trump - you’re FOR China.
The EU have already picked the wrong team, and that is why we need to hurry up and get out of it, before we get roped into a third world war against China’s superpower rivals - America and Russia.
“You can repay your huge debt to the CCP by selling us all your assets in your country OR going to war on our behalf as a totally-owned proxy What say you?”
The rest of the world - can easily blockade China if it has to. It needs trade like Humanity needs air to breathe.
