Mazzer2:
Wouldn’t class 38% as popular only president because the alternative was Marie Le Pen, much as you like to class this as all about Johnson there are other factors involved and the domestic position of other countries is also a factor, Varadkar knew the only way he could fend of Sinn Fein was to attack the UK yet it still didn’t work.
To add again about EU countries success, recent German success has been aided and abetted by the exchange rate from the mark to the Euro being set massively in their favour making their exports to other EU members cheaper while increasing the costs of imports from other EU members, mmm level playing field 
Im not saying whether either leader is particularly popular or not. I am saying they are both about the same level. Leaders almost always take a tumble, it is normal. You accuse me of making this about Johnson, whilst you are talking of Macrons domestic politics?
No, it isnt all about Johnson. He is merely a symptom of the foolishness of voting for a false hope, and believing false promises. Macron was against LePen, Johnson against Corbyn, so what? It doesnt seem very relevant at the moment.
I dont hold any candle for Macron, but I believe he doing what he considers best for France, his own country, as he should. Looks to me like Johnson is more about his own, and his partys “legacy”. Spending money we don`t have on defence? Trashing our international reputation for honesty by refuting a deal he himself signed? Backing advisors and now Ministers who are part of his own group against independent professional advisors?
And the exchange rate of the D.Mark against the euro over 20 years ago, is hardly a factor today is it?
Franglais:
Mazzer2:
Wouldn’t class 38% as popular only president because the alternative was Marie Le Pen, much as you like to class this as all about Johnson there are other factors involved and the domestic position of other countries is also a factor, Varadkar knew the only way he could fend of Sinn Fein was to attack the UK yet it still didn’t work.
To add again about EU countries success, recent German success has been aided and abetted by the exchange rate from the mark to the Euro being set massively in their favour making their exports to other EU members cheaper while increasing the costs of imports from other EU members, mmm level playing field
Im not saying whether either leader is particularly popular or not. I am saying they are both about the same level. Leaders almost always take a tumble, it is normal. You accuse me of making this about Johnson, whilst you are talking of Macrons domestic politics?
No, it isnt all about Johnson. He is merely a symptom of the foolishness of voting for a false hope, and believing false promises. Macron was against LePen, Johnson against Corbyn, so what? It doesnt seem very relevant at the moment.
I dont hold any candle for Macron, but I believe he doing what he considers best for France, his own country, as he should. Looks to me like Johnson is more about his own, and his partys “legacy”. Spending money we don`t have on defence? Trashing our international reputation for honesty by refuting a deal he himself signed? Backing advisors and now Ministers who are part of his own group against independent professional advisors?
And the exchange rate of the D.Mark against the euro over 20 years ago, is hardly a factor today is it?
Yes it is because without a fluctuating exchange rate between other EU countries the German goods are always going to be cheaper and enable to compete with an unfair advantage over it’s neighbours
If you believe that Macron is acting without an eye on re-election then that is fine, my point is that all politicians act in their own interest, he knows that if he sells out on the fishing the disruption caused by the fisherman will be massive, as we said before an industry that in financial terms is largely irrelevant to both the UK and France yet emotional weight far beyond it’s financial one
Mazzer2:
And the exchange rate of the D.Mark against the euro over 20 years ago, is hardly a factor today is it?
Yes it is because without a fluctuating exchange rate between other EU countries the German goods are always going to be cheaper and enable to compete with an unfair advantage over it’s neighbours
If you believe that Macron is acting without an eye on re-election then that is fine, my point is that all politicians act in their own interest, he knows that if he sells out on the fishing the disruption caused by the fisherman will be massive, as we said before an industry that in financial terms is largely irrelevant to both the UK and France yet emotional weight far beyond it’s financial one
For over 20yrs the Germans have been employing labour, buying raw materials and energy, selling goods, etc etc with the same currency as the rest of the EU (mostly). I honestly don`t see what the relevance of the original exchange rate has anymore?
Macron is acting with an eye on elections I expect. Looks to me he aims to get as good a deal for his country as he can.
Johnson is after Brexit at any cost, which I honestly believe (this won`t shock you) is bad for the UK. And Im not convinced that even Johnson believes it is a good thing, he is just caught in a circle of his own making.
Fishing is being held up especially by some UK sites as a totem. You are right too much publicity is being given to a rather small industry. (No offence to fishermen intended)
Franglais:
Mazzer2:
And the exchange rate of the D.Mark against the euro over 20 years ago, is hardly a factor today is it?
Yes it is because without a fluctuating exchange rate between other EU countries the German goods are always going to be cheaper and enable to compete with an unfair advantage over it’s neighbours
If you believe that Macron is acting without an eye on re-election then that is fine, my point is that all politicians act in their own interest, he knows that if he sells out on the fishing the disruption caused by the fisherman will be massive, as we said before an industry that in financial terms is largely irrelevant to both the UK and France yet emotional weight far beyond it’s financial one
For over 20yrs the Germans have been employing labour, buying raw materials and energy, selling goods, etc etc with the same currency as the rest of the EU (mostly). I honestly don`t see what the relevance of the original exchange rate has anymore?
Macron is acting with an eye on elections I expect. Looks to me he aims to get as good a deal for his country as he can.
Johnson is after Brexit at any cost, which I honestly believe (this won`t shock you) is bad for the UK. And Im not convinced that even Johnson believes it is a good thing, he is just caught in a circle of his own making.
Fishing is being held up especially by some UK sites as a totem. You are right too much publicity is being given to a rather small industry. (No offence to fishermen intended)
Yes the Germans are using the same currency as other euro members but when they swapped the Mark for the Euro it was done at an exchange rate that was to low and so gave them an advantage over other euro members thereby making their goods cheaper to other Euro members and imports from other Euro members more expensive one of the reasons behind their massive trade imbalance with the rest of Europe.
More Good News!
independent.co.uk/news/uk/p … 59627.html
We get to stay as we are regards Canada!
A rollover deal has been signed.
In a stunning achievement the Johnson Gov and the Brexiteers just missed shooting another toe off.
Undoubtedly a great victory.
…And yet the Germans with their long-running financial surplus over the years - have failed to spend that money, despite “Socialist” parties at large in their parliament…
You’d think that Germany with money of their actual own to spend - might have been a bit more generous under THIS current government, a SPD/CDU coalition as it is?
Over here, meanwhile - Sunak is borrowing it so fast, that the deeps have had to switch their fake ballot printers over to fake fiat currency to make up the numbers… 
Take Back Control
of our borders, as the Schengen area does the same. “With high hearts” we will “prosper mightily” and may also need coffee and sandwiches for immigration queues at passport control.
independent.co.uk/travel/ne … 59314.html
Yes, the Remainers are correct. We got lied to over Brexit from the very beginning. It is clear now that Brexit to all incumbent politicians is merely a ball to be played with, but never owned.
That wasn’t a good reason to support “Remain” though “The establishment will lie and cheat us out anything we vote for - that doesn’t suit their collective long-term agenda.”
I’m damned if I’ll EVER be “Oh well never mind” about the things in life that have buggered me around as much as lying and outright dishonest “superiors” have.
I will continue voting as much Anti-Establishment as I am able to.
Let’s hope that next time two mainstream parties field candidates that were BOTH supposedly running on this anti-establishment ticket - don’t ever get away with it AGAIN.
I quite liked Corbyn’s idea of “Universal Income” - as it would have released us ALL from the ■■■■■■■ of financial hardship “just to pay the bloody bills”, but we got told “it would have cost too much”, a mere fraction of what Sunak has already spent on Covid by comparison.
At the next election I will vote for the Non-main party that has the best chance of unseating the incumbent. That might not necessarily be anything fronted by Farage, especially if he lets himself be tricked by Boris again into “not running”…
I don’t think it will wash from January 1st, when we get some kind of fudge, that people will be “oh well never mind” with regards to the financial tsunami coming our way from China when they call collect on all the debt we’ve run up. Entire industries in this country, as well as strategic entire towns - will be handed over to Chinese control the moment we “cannot repay our national debt”.
Our Country’s Credit Card - must be close to being maxed out at the all-time-high levels it has now reached.
I’m still not worried about “Covid”, just the political thump over the head that it has come to represent for the 99.8% of Brits that’ll never perish from it.
lancpudn:
And now a third recount in Georgia - at the tax payers expense - so he can loose a Third time.
Looks like the re-count things are nothing but a smoke screen whilst over 100,000 pieces of evidence to present to the supreme court - are gathered.
This would also explain why the prices for Biden and the individual states are still trading at long odds on, BUT yet to be settled as “Racing Certainties”.
My guess is that the court cases that Trump is bringing - are feints, nothing more.
Judge issues humiliating smackdown of Trump lawyers in court
youtube.com/watch?v=Q_get06-tgo
Brexiteers, your orange mate’s lawyers in action above
What do you think, where is this going?
A leading tourism figure has warned of two-hour waits at passport control for British travellers going to the European Union at the end of the Brexit transition period.
“And so with high hearts and complete confidence we will prepare to embrace the alternative.
“And we will prosper mightily as an independent free trading nation, controlling our own borders, our fisheries, and setting our own laws.”
At the ETOA event, Mr Jenkins noted that initially there will be no change to the rules for EU citizens entering the UK.
He said: “Vice-versa won’t really be too much of a problem, because the UK has made it clear that they’re not going to change procedure at all.
“There is an irony in taking back control and then imposing no new controls.”
But at least i will have a nice blue passport to look at whilst waiting, so that’s all right.
OwenMoney:
A leading tourism figure has warned of two-hour waits at passport control for British travellers going to the European Union at the end of the Brexit transition period.
“And so with high hearts and complete confidence we will prepare to embrace the alternative.
“And we will prosper mightily as an independent free trading nation, controlling our own borders, our fisheries, and setting our own laws.”
At the ETOA event, Mr Jenkins noted that initially there will be no change to the rules for EU citizens entering the UK.
He said: “Vice-versa won’t really be too much of a problem, because the UK has made it clear that they’re not going to change procedure at all.
“There is an irony in taking back control and then imposing no new controls.”
But at least i will have a nice blue passport to look at whilst waiting, so that’s all right.
Look:
It is the inalienable right of the British to decide who enters and who doesn`t.
Whether or not we choose to exercise tha…
…oh they explain it better than me…
youtube.com/watch?v=sFBOQzSk14c
Look on the bright side you flaming old misery… Neither of us will be shipping in or out 01 01 2021 so the calamity won’t hit the fan immediately.
OwenMoney:
Look on the bright side you flaming old misery… Neither of us will be shipping in or out 01 01 2021 so the calamity won’t hit the fan immediately.
Old? Yes.
Misery? No.
Miserly? Who owes who a coffee?
No, I can`t remember…
Spose thats a clue its me?
It’s a shame to take advantage but if you can’t remember who paid last time it’s definitely your turn.
OwenMoney:
It’s a shame to take advantage but if you can’t remember who paid last time it’s definitely your turn.
By the time the Routiers re-open this conversation will be forgotten too.
Safe!
Franglais:
OwenMoney:
It’s a shame to take advantage but if you can’t remember who paid last time it’s definitely your turn.
By the time the Routiers re-open this conversation will be forgotten too.
Safe!
Keep up Franglais, the routiers ARE open 
anon84679660:
Judge issues humiliating smackdown of Trump lawyers in court
youtube.com/watch?v=Q_get06-tgo
Brexiteers, your orange mate’s lawyers in action above
What do you think, where is this going?
Do we want “Freedom” in the West, or shall we just hand it all over to China, who’ll be the ultimate world’s bailiff - coming pretty soon now…
Persons on both sides of the argument - would say “Hey, that’s not fair if they get out of it”…
Last time I looked though, the very Left that voted Democract or Labour - didn’t like neither China nor Russia, because both are seen as totalitarian leaders, who have (dare I say) “brought communism into disrepute”… 
"Everyone is poor, except the elites that act as “Feudal Barons”. Equal in Serfdom. Not the kind of “■■■■■■■” that many have in mind as a “kink” even…
Winseer:
anon84679660:
Judge issues humiliating smackdown of Trump lawyers in court
youtube.com/watch?v=Q_get06-tgo
Brexiteers, your orange mate’s lawyers in action above
What do you think, where is this going?
Do we want “Freedom” in the West, or shall we just hand it all over to China, who’ll be the ultimate world’s bailiff - coming pretty soon now…
Persons on both sides of the argument - would say “Hey, that’s not fair if they get out of it”…
Last time I looked though, the very Left that voted Democract or Labour - didn’t like neither China nor Russia, because both are seen as totalitarian leaders, who have (dare I say) “brought communism into disrepute”…
"Everyone is poor, except the elites that act as “Feudal Barons”. Equal in Serfdom. Not the kind of “■■■■■■■” that many have in mind as a “kink” even…
Do these posts make sense to you? Or are they just the output of some random word generator?
