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switchlogic:

Grumpy_old_trucker:

OwenMoney:
Fish and chip shops could face supply shortages and even lose thousands of jobs if the UK does not secure a new fishing deal with Greenland as well as the EU, the industry has warned.
Andrew Crook from the association told The Sun.

The Sun?
Really?
I wouldn’t believe the date in the sun!

Just more scaremongering from remoaners.

We voted leave and these remoaners still won’t accept it and still come out with absolute bull shine trying to justify the fact that the majority of the voting public in this country want no part of the EU!

That’s the spirit, just keep blaming ‘remoaners’ for every f**k up. You may even start to believe it yourself eventually. Got to love that famous ‘Remoaner’ Rupert Murdoch. So passionate about the EU of course

Oh dear, oh dear here we go!
You come across as an intelligent guy, you like the sound of your own voice on the internet as does every other attention seeker I’ve come across.
I didn’t however take you as someone who can read something and interpret it as something completely different.
Nowhere in my post have I blamed remoaners for any F**k up, I’ve simply pointed out that YOU and your ilk won’t accept that the majority of Britain’s voters voted to leave and that you keep ■■■■■■■■ and get your frilly knickers in a twist and making complete untruths up to scaremonger.

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UK drivers working for EU operators
Drivers holding a UK Driver CPC who work for, or plan to work for an EU company (e.g. a UK driver working for a French or Irish operator) should take action. This is because a UK Driver CPC may not be recognised as a valid qualification by EU employers from 1 January 2021.

Drivers who hold a UK Driver CPC working or wanting to work for EU businesses should exchange their UK Driver CPC for an EU Driver CPC before 1 January 2021. Apply to the relevant body in an EU or European Economic Area (EEA) country to exchange a UK Driver CPC.transportoperator.co.uk/2020/11/ … ne-arrives

There is also the link to The Haulier Handbook - Stupid Brexit - And the whole rigmarole of paperwork that is going to be required.

gov.uk/guidance/transportin … r-hauliers

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Winseer:
There seems to be an entirely extra concept introduced into these so-called “Trade Talks”.

All other trade arrangements with the rest of the world, i.e. those countries in the world that are not the EU or USA - We’re being spoken to like “Brexit” means we are leaving the entire WORLD at once here?

All this rubbish about the importance or lack thereof “Greenland” or “Australia” or “Peru”…

FFS we are already trading with these other “minor” countries, and presumably will continue with the same arrangements post-Brexit.

Have the EU demaned that we leave all the other arrangements world-wide as well, hidden somewhere down in Theresa May’s original surrender document?

The EU trade talks, as far as I am aware - are about the UK blocking access to our fisheries, whilst the EU tries to negotiate something that will let the French have them for free, such as “weaponized power cuts” arranged by the now Right-leaning French leadership just as our former Right PM hurries off the Leftern Cliff…

Err…‘we’ don’t have trading agreements, except for those recently negotiated…such as the one with Japan.
‘We’ DID have trading agreements with the rest of the world, thanks to our EU membership, but these end at the end of this year.
So ‘we’ now have to reach agreements with all other nations, or revert to WTO terms.
Remember that the negotiations with the EU were going to be ‘the easiest in history’…so it follows the others are going to be far, far more difficult. ‘We’ have gone from being part of the biggest trading bloc in the world to a weakening power with most of our markets in turmoil.
Other nations will no doubt realise how weak ‘we’ are and force ‘us’ to enter agreements to benefit them, not ‘us’.

‘Taking back control’.

Feel free to blame Farage, BoJo etc, but also blame yourself for listening to these opportunists in the first place. Remember, Brexit may well make you poor, but it has already made Mr Rees-Mogg even richer than he was before.

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Remember how much money we were ‘wasting’ on EU membership?

According to Bloomberg Economics, we have contributed £215 bn to the EU budget from 1972 to the end of 2020.

The estimated cost of Brexit to the end of 2020, including the lost economic growth, is £203 bn.

Hmmm…I don’t recall seeing that on the side of a bus…

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gov.uk/guidance/transportin … r-hauliers

This link goes to the Gov UK site and details the paperwork and pre-entry details that will be required 01 01 2021.
It is not going to be straight forward or cheap - especially for anyone doing groupage.
#StupidBrexit

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But you will get a blue passport!

Groupage could be a nightmare. Imagine if you are waiting for , say a part for a machine from Germany. It’s been put on an overnight express groupage trailer …but someone has put the stamp on a piece of paper relating to another item on the trailer in the wrong place…the trailer won’t be released until that has been put right. Suddenly, it impacts on every consignment on the trailer, but the agent can’t get hold of the company that got it wrong because they’ve closed for a holiday…what happens?

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But you will get a blue passport!

Groupage could be a nightmare. Imagine if you are waiting for , say a part for a machine from Germany. It’s been put on an overnight express groupage trailer …but someone has put the stamp on a piece of paper relating to another item on the trailer in the wrong place…the trailer won’t be released until that has been put right. Suddenly, it impacts on every consignment on the trailer, but the agent can’t get hold of the company that got it wrong because they’ve closed for a holiday…what happens?

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GasGas:

Winseer:
There seems to be an entirely extra concept introduced into these so-called “Trade Talks”.

All other trade arrangements with the rest of the world, i.e. those countries in the world that are not the EU or USA - We’re being spoken to like “Brexit” means we are leaving the entire WORLD at once here?

All this rubbish about the importance or lack thereof “Greenland” or “Australia” or “Peru”…

FFS we are already trading with these other “minor” countries, and presumably will continue with the same arrangements post-Brexit.

Have the EU demaned that we leave all the other arrangements world-wide as well, hidden somewhere down in Theresa May’s original surrender document?

The EU trade talks, as far as I am aware - are about the UK blocking access to our fisheries, whilst the EU tries to negotiate something that will let the French have them for free, such as “weaponized power cuts” arranged by the now Right-leaning French leadership just as our former Right PM hurries off the Leftern Cliff…

Err…‘we’ don’t have trading agreements, except for those recently negotiated…such as the one with Japan.
‘We’ DID have trading agreements with the rest of the world, thanks to our EU membership, but these end at the end of this year.
So ‘we’ now have to reach agreements with all other nations, or revert to WTO terms.
Remember that the negotiations with the EU were going to be ‘the easiest in history’…so it follows the others are going to be far, far more difficult. ‘We’ have gone from being part of the biggest trading bloc in the world to a weakening power with most of our markets in turmoil.
Other nations will no doubt realise how weak ‘we’ are and force ‘us’ to enter agreements to benefit them, not ‘us’.

‘Taking back control’.

Feel free to blame Farage, BoJo etc, but also blame yourself for listening to these opportunists in the first place. Remember, Brexit may well make you poor, but it has already made Mr Rees-Mogg even richer than he was before.

Leaving any “Via EU” negotiated trade agreements with external countries - is only going to be a bother IF those countries in question want to now “move the goalposts” because they know we’re just locked outselves out in our jimjams, and need a nice warm alternative place to crash IN.

Which countries to date have said to the UK “If you leave the EU, we won’t trade with you at all, or at very least - will push for a new trade arrangement that will 100% be crappier for the UK”…

As far as I know, it is just the USA now that are against Britain taking the WTO Brexit route, formerly known as “No Deal Crash Out Brexit”.

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Amazing how a deadline focus’s the mind

msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/b … d=msedgntp

It’s from the Guardian so no complaints from the remain contingent that it’s biased, nice to see that yet again the French are prepared to scupper the whole deal if it’s not translated into French, do they not have translators?

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The final deal has to be translated into every language of the EU , not just French.
Going to be some busy people translating over Xmas .

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> nice to see that yet again the French are prepared to scupper the whole deal if it’s not translated into French

Fake news !! You would not believe the amount of translators there are there !
Live translators for meetings, writing translators for documents etc.
One of the main beefs of the European people is the amount of money wasted,
transporting these people all around Europe to each and every meeting, be it Strasbourg, Brussels,Luxembourg etc.

Oh, along with the truckloads of documents in 27 different languages

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pierrot 14:

> nice to see that yet again the French are prepared to scupper the whole deal if it’s not translated into French

Fake news !! You would not believe the amount of translators there are there !
Live translators for meetings, writing translators for documents etc.
One of the main beefs of the European people is the amount of money wasted,
transporting these people all around Europe to each and every meeting, be it Strasbourg, Brussels,Luxembourg etc.

Oh, along with the truckloads of documents in 27 different languages

:smiley: :smiley: :smiley: Nice to see the EU doing it’s bit for the environment

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OwenMoney:
The final deal has to be translated into every language of the EU , not just French.
Going to be some busy people translating over Xmas .

I know but it is odd how the French manage to raise that as a sticking point, think there are greater issues than the translation.

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“is only going to be a bother IF those countries in question want to now “move the goalposts” because they know we’re just locked outselves out in our jimjams, and need a nice warm alternative place to crash IN.”

and that’s the point…we’ve just got to hope they are nice enough not to take advantage of Boris having gone out without his knickers on.

We’ve gone from being a senior member of the world’s most powerful trading bloc to a lonely little island off the coast of Europe. Who will be our friend?

48% of our exports are to the EU27. 8% of the exports of the EU27 are to the UK.

I’ve tried to explain this figure to Faragists on many occasions…they just can’t comprehend the numbers.

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Mazzer2:
Amazing how a deadline focus’s the mind

msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/b … d=msedgntp

It’s from the Guardian so no complaints from the remain contingent that it’s biased, nice to see that yet again the French are prepared to scupper the whole deal if it’s not translated into French, do they not have translators?

Who had set the “deadline” of 31st Dec 2020?
I’ll give you a clue- first name starts with Bor, second name starts with, John.

Who has had a referendum to do something without a credible plan on how to achieve it? Who has had 3 different Prime Ministers, and multiple general elections since then?

Germany, France, Eire can make a fair fist of economic success in the EU but the UK, under the same rules can’t.

So who will carry the can for all the bollox and nonsense?

Obvious innit. Blame someone else. [emoji3]

Mazzer2:

OwenMoney:
The final deal has to be translated into every language of the EU , not just French.
Going to be some busy people translating over Xmas .

I know but it is odd how the French manage to raise that as a sticking point, think there are greater issues than the translation.

Totally agree. Mostly of the UK`s making.

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Winseer:
Leaving any “Via EU” negotiated trade agreements with external countries - is only going to be a bother IF those countries in question want to now “move the goalposts” because they know we’re just locked outselves out in our jimjams, and need a nice warm alternative place to crash IN.

Which countries to date have said to the UK “If you leave the EU, we won’t trade with you at all, or at very least - will push for a new trade arrangement that will 100% be crappier for the UK”…

As far as I know, it is just the USA now that are against Britain taking the WTO Brexit route, formerly known as “No Deal Crash Out Brexit”.

No country needs to be “for or against” the UK going the WTO route. Our existing trade partners dont want to see tariffs on goods movements. The majority of those who actually build factories and provide jobs here (as opposed to hedge funds) are dead set against Brexit.
Some stand to benefit by seeing our industry diminished. Russia sees another`s loss as their gain.

And from a previous Winseer post, about Farage voting to end his own well paid EU job? As an EU MP he was earning 107,000 euro per annum. Nice, about 8k per month. (but he did have to repay some £35,000 to compensate for the EU funds he misspent) As he earns maybe 30k per month from media, was sponsored by Aaron Banks to the tune of…loadsamoney…and Banks has links to the Russians and Trump amongst others…Well, the EU pay isn`t so much to lose, is it?
channel4.com/news/nigel-far … s-revealed

WTO rules are so good, they are used by…?**
Here is a nice little piece from 2017. Only a 5 minute read.
medium.com/@MrWeeble/who-actual … 6127ce33c6

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For a fuller picture FullFact link here
fullfact.org/europe/who-trades- … wto-rules/
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Which country will accept for a worse deal, for them, with the UK than they have with the EU?
Yes, if we lock ourselves out in the cold, we wont get much sympathy from anyone. And thankfully the selfish, short sighted, orange idiot, who is all for money for the US at any cost to others isnt going to be doing deals for them.
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**Mauritania…
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauritania

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Franglais:

Mazzer2:
Amazing how a deadline focus’s the mind

msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/b … d=msedgntp

It’s from the Guardian so no complaints from the remain contingent that it’s biased, nice to see that yet again the French are prepared to scupper the whole deal if it’s not translated into French, do they not have translators?

Who had set the “deadline” of 31st Dec 2020?
I’ll give you a clue- first name starts with Bor, second name starts with, John.

Who has had a referendum to do something without a credible plan on how to achieve it? Who has had 3 different Prime Ministers, and multiple general elections since then?

Germany, France, Eire can make a fair fist of economic success in the EU but the UK, under the same rules can’t.

So who will carry the can for all the bollox and nonsense?

Obvious innit. Blame someone else. [emoji3]

Mazzer2:

OwenMoney:
The final deal has to be translated into every language of the EU , not just French.
Going to be some busy people translating over Xmas .

I know but it is odd how the French manage to raise that as a sticking point, think there are greater issues than the translation.

Totally agree. Mostly of the UK`s making.

Thanks for explaining that in language a three year old could understand never would have realised what it was all about if you hadn’t, regardless of who was in charge a deadline had to be set otherwise it would just drag on and it would appear that the deadline is having the right effect.
The position of the French is more to do with Macron and his standing in France rather than a deal in the same way that now Varadkar is no longer in charge in Ireland the rhetoric has been toned down, always helpful when an unpopular leader has a bogeyman to distract from their own problems.
Just to add Ireland’s economic success is largely down to it’s ability to attract large multi national companies due to it’s low rate of corporation tax something France and Germany are keen to put a stop to, look up Ireland’s tax receipts be a very different picture without those multi nationals.

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Mazzer2:

Franglais:

Mazzer2:
Amazing how a deadline focus’s the mind

msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/b … d=msedgntp

It’s from the Guardian so no complaints from the remain contingent that it’s biased, nice to see that yet again the French are prepared to scupper the whole deal if it’s not translated into French, do they not have translators?

Who had set the “deadline” of 31st Dec 2020?
I’ll give you a clue- first name starts with Bor, second name starts with, John.

Who has had a referendum to do something without a credible plan on how to achieve it? Who has had 3 different Prime Ministers, and multiple general elections since then?

Germany, France, Eire can make a fair fist of economic success in the EU but the UK, under the same rules can’t.

So who will carry the can for all the bollox and nonsense?

Obvious innit. Blame someone else. [emoji3]

Mazzer2:

OwenMoney:
The final deal has to be translated into every language of the EU , not just French.
Going to be some busy people translating over Xmas .

I know but it is odd how the French manage to raise that as a sticking point, think there are greater issues than the translation.

Totally agree. Mostly of the UK`s making.

Thanks for explaining that in language a three year old could understand never would have realised what it was all about if you hadn’t, regardless of who was in charge a deadline had to be set otherwise it would just drag on and it would appear that the deadline is having the right effect.
The position of the French is more to do with Macron and his standing in France rather than a deal in the same way that now Varadkar is no longer in charge in Ireland the rhetoric has been toned down, always helpful when an unpopular leader has a bogeyman to distract from their own problems.
Just to add Ireland’s economic success is largely down to it’s ability to attract large multi national companies due to it’s low rate of corporation tax something France and Germany are keen to put a stop to, look up Ireland’s tax receipts be a very different picture without those multi nationals.

An unpopular leader?
yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/tr … val-rating
france24.com/en/live-news/2 … ing-moment
Macron has 38% approval rating, Johnson has 34%.

Johnson has set the deadline for his own domestic audience, and party political ends. It is party politics, not for international diplomacy nor trade negotiation advantage.
Nothing to do with getting a good deal for the UK, just something so he can tell his remaining fans he did the deed.
Good or bad, doesn`t now and never has, mattered to him. He is, and always has been, all smoke and mirrors. Saying anything in the short term, with no regard to the long term.

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Wouldn’t class 38% as popular only president because the alternative was Marie Le Pen, much as you like to class this as all about Johnson there are other factors involved and the domestic position of other countries is also a factor, Varadkar knew the only way he could fend of Sinn Fein was to attack the UK yet it still didn’t work.
To add again about EU countries success, recent German success has been aided and abetted by the exchange rate from the mark to the Euro being set massively in their favour making their exports to other EU members cheaper while increasing the costs of imports from other EU members, mmm level playing field :question: