A UK driver on an international journey is subject to both EU Drivers’ Hours
Regulations and the Working Time Regulations. Explain why the following schedule is
not fully compliant with these requirements.
Driving 1.5 hours
Break 30 minutes
Driving 1.5 hours
Break 15 minutes
Driving 4.5 hours
Other Work 2 hours
delboytwo:
A UK driver on an international journey is subject to both EU Drivers’ Hours
Regulations and the Working Time Regulations. Explain why the following schedule is
not fully compliant with these requirements.Driving 1.5 hours
Break 30 minutes
Driving 1.5 hours
Break 15 minutes
Driving 4.5 hours
Other Work 2 hours
If the 30 minute and 15 minute breaks had been taken the other way round the driver would have been legal for the 4.5 hours driving but then would have needed another 45 minute break before doing the last 2 hours work.
As it is he/she has exceeded 4.5 hours driving without the required break/breaks and exceeded 6 hours working time without a break.
Add to your quiz: how long a break is required for the 6 hour rule ?
Yes I know it’s been done to death but people still get it wrong.
tachograph:
delboytwo:
A UK driver on an international journey is subject to both EU Drivers’ Hours
Regulations and the Working Time Regulations. Explain why the following schedule is
not fully compliant with these requirements.Driving 1.5 hours
Break 30 minutes
Driving 1.5 hours
Break 15 minutes
Driving 4.5 hours
Other Work 2 hours
If the 30 minute and 15 minute breaks had been taken the other way round the driver would have been legal for the 4.5 hours driving but then would have needed another 45 minute break before doing the last 2 hours work.
As it is he/she has exceeded 4.5 hours driving without the required break/breaks and exceeded 6 hours working time without a break.
Add to your quiz: how long a break is required for the 6 hour rule ?
Yes I know it’s been done to death but people still get it wrong.
bit in red
hi mate no need as he as had 45 min break and as you know you only need 45 min break in a day for WTD/RTD
the bit in ligter red
15 mins 
delboytwo:
bit in red
hi mate no need as he as had 45 min break and as you know you only need 45 min break in a day for WTD/RTDthe bit in ligter red
15 mins
Totally irrelevant Del, regardless of how much break you need in the day to satisfy the WTD you’re still not supposed to exceed 6 consecutive hours working time without a break 
tachograph:
delboytwo:
bit in red
hi mate no need as he as had 45 min break and as you know you only need 45 min break in a day for WTD/RTDthe bit in ligter red
15 mins
Totally irrelevant Del, regardless of how much break you need in the day to satisfy the WTD you’re still not supposed to exceed 6 consecutive hours working time without a break
i will give you the answer
Candidates should have identified that the first break from driving was 30 minutes and the
second was 15 minutes thus not compliant with the EU regulation 561/2006. The second
problem was the driver after 4.5 hours of driving then carried out other work. Very few
candidates were able to identify this; the regulation clearly states that after 4.5 hours a driver
must take a 45 minute break. Many will say that is being pedantic if the driver is finished
driving for the day. For those people we are now talking International CPC and I assure them
from experience that this is how the law is applied in Europe. Most candidates said the
driver, had worked more than 6 hours without a 45 minute break under the working time
regulations. The driver had taken 45 minutes of break which would have been compliant with
those regulations.
Yes but the driver has still worked over 6 consecutive hours without a break and so is not complying with the 6 hour rule 
Wherever you got the question from feel free to explain the regulations to them
tachograph:
Yes but the driver has still worked over 6 consecutive hours without a break and so is not complying with the 6 hour ruleWherever you got the question from feel free to explain the regulations to them
your pulling my Chain by the way it was OCR
delboytwo:
tachograph:
Yes but the driver has still worked over 6 consecutive hours without a break and so is not complying with the 6 hour ruleWherever you got the question from feel free to explain the regulations to them
your pulling my Chain
Assuming that you’re talking about the 6 hour rule then … no
http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/freight/road/workingtime/rdtransportworkingtimeguidance?page=7#a1006:
5.4 BreaksThe Regulations require that:
- mobile workers must not work more than 6 consecutive hours without taking a break,
Like I said feel free to nip along and teach them the regulations
Driving 4.5 hours
Other Work 2 hours
That is deffo over 6 hours without a 15 minute minimum break for RTD (WTD)
from the regs
If the mobile workers were to work longer than 9 hours than total breaks for the day would be
45 minutes.
you show me it the regs where it say he has to take more for WTD/RTD
delboytwo:
from the regsIf the mobile workers were to work longer than 9 hours than total breaks for the day would be
45 minutes.you show me it the regs where it say he has to take more for WTD/RTD
Right here.
Breaks
7. - (1) No mobile worker shall work for more than six hours without a break.
Having completed 45 minutes break earlier in the shift does not remove the requirement to not exceed 6 houirs work without a break.
Your scenario has him working more than 6 hours without a break, 4.5 hours driving and 2 hours work. This contravenes both the WTD and the tacho regulations. It doesn’t comply with the WTD because he has worked 6.5 hours without a break, 30 minutes longer than permitted. It doesn’t comply with the tacho rules as he should have taken a break between the 4.5 hours driving and the 2 hours work. On completion of 4.5 hours driving a driver has only one option open to him and that is to take a break, he cannot postpone that break until after he has done other work and before he resumes driving.
delboytwo:
you show me it the regs where it say he has to take more for WTD/RTD
See the link in my previous post
Coffeeholic:
delboytwo:
from the regsIf the mobile workers were to work longer than 9 hours than total breaks for the day would be
45 minutes.you show me it the regs where it say he has to take more for WTD/RTD
Right here.
Breaks
7. - (1) No mobile worker shall work for more than six hours without a break.Having completed 45 minutes break earlier in the shift does not remove the requirement to not exceed 6 houirs work without a break.
Your scenario has him working more than 6 hours without a break, 4.5 hours driving and 2 hours work. This contravenes both the WTD and the tacho regulations. It doesn’t comply with the WTD because he has worked 6.5 hours without a break, 30 minutes longer than permitted. It doesn’t comply with the tacho rules as he should have taken a break between the 4.5 hours driving and the 2 hours work. On completion of 4.5 hours driving a driver has only one option open to him and that is to take a break, he cannot postpone that break until after he has done other work and before he resumes driving.
ok then how much break do you have to have in a day over nine hour for WTD and if the driver did take a wtd break of 15 Min’s for wtd he would had 1 hour break and in the reg for WTD as long as you have 45 Min’s for working over 9 hours you fine there no call for you to do the six hour rule twice in one day cos you now working over 9 hours
tachograph:
delboytwo:
you show me it the regs where it say he has to take more for WTD/RTDSee the link in my previous post
yes mate read that
-if your working hours total more than 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 45 minutes,
delboytwo:
tachograph:
delboytwo:
you show me it the regs where it say he has to take more for WTD/RTDSee the link in my previous post
yes mate read that
-if your working hours total more than 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 45 minutes,
Del you’re reading the bits of the regulation that fit your argument and ignoring the rest, I think that’s called selective reading
tachograph:
delboytwo:
tachograph:
delboytwo:
you show me it the regs where it say he has to take more for WTD/RTDSee the link in my previous post
yes mate read that
-if your working hours total more than 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 45 minutes,
Del you’re reading the bits of the regulation that fit your argument and ignoring the rest, I think that’s called selective reading
show me then put it on here in a qoute
delboytwo:
ok then how much break do you have to have in a day over nine hour for WTD
As you well know it is at least of 45 minutes but more maybe required due to other requirements of the regulations. Note the very important words in red. I’m trying a ROG here to see if it sinks in.
delboytwo:
and if the driver did take a wtd break of 15 Min’s for wtd he would had 1 hour break
He would indeed, as he is required to do.
delboytwo:
and in the reg for WTD as long as you have 45 Min’s for working over 9 hours you fine
Only as long as you do not at any point exceed 6 hours work without a break
delboytwo:
there no call for you to do the six hour rule twice in one day cos you now working over 9 hours
There is if you reach 6 hours work from your last break.
- (1) No mobile worker shall work for more than six hours without a break.
13 words giving a clear ruling with no room for confusion so why are you having so much difficulty understanding them? Read those 13 words and try to understand what they mean, they don’t just relate to the first 6 hours of work in the shift, they relate to any period of 6 hours of work.
tachograph:
Del you’re reading the bits of the regulation that fit your argument and ignoring the rest, I think that’s called selective reading
There is a name for that, …
It’s known as a ROGism in honour of the guy who invented that reading method… 
It’s time I wasn’t here… 
delboytwo:
show me then put it on here in
- (1) No mobile worker shall work for more than six hours without a break.
A double ROG, big and coloured.
I often wonder if Dels having a laugh at our expense