Boris

[carryfast]

Winseer:
I’d rather back a “tricky” character who gets things done, and lies to the enemy all the time to get past them…

Than some principled person who is weak weak weak on the world’s stage.

Davis, in my mind - is too weak to get anything whatsoever out of the EU.

They’d tell him “No” - and he’d come back and try and sell that to Parliament.

Boris?

If he’s about to faceplant both Merkel and Macron - then good luck to him!

If he buckles under to them both - then God help him, as he won’t be getting this Brexiteer’s vote if he hasn’t delivered No Deal for ANY reason by October 31st…

There’s no “Deal” that can be made with the enemy here - that I’d accept as a “Done and Dusted Brexit”.

But your plan backfires spectacularly if/when you realise that to BoJo,just like May,Leavers are ‘the enemy’ and the EU is his friend.

Unlike Davis ( probably ).

Why would you rather back the former in that.

As for Raab he can’t even be trusted to look after the interests of his own constituency against London taking it over let alone the country against the bleedin EU.

[winseer]

If Boris doesn’t deliver - he’ll be the shortest-lived PM ever.

Even if he doesn’t want to deliver, and even if he has no intention of delivering - why would he choose NOT to deliver, when his short period as PM would surely have given him a bit of a taste of “Life at the Top” by now?

If I were Boris, and I’d been already bribed by the EU to bring about Remaining, then I’d seriously be considering becoming a turncoat at this point. Wouldn’t you?

Possession is nine-tenths of the law. Boris is PM now. He doesn’t owe any “back favours” then.
If the EU suddenly came out with some photos of him at Epstein’s Mansion, or some other seemingly concocted scandal - then the public would forgive him ANYTHING once he’s delivered the goods as promised.
They’d forgive him NOTHING though - if he failed to deliver, and kicked the can down the road.

I’d give Boris until about lunchtime on November 1st to “have some scandal made up about him” - should he be silly enough to think he can stay in the job, once he’s lost the support of the 17.4m that are prepared to vote for a Brexiteer PM - but WON’T do so - if he doesn’t deliver the goods first.

[carryfast]

Winseer:
If Boris doesn’t deliver - he’ll be the shortest-lived PM ever.

Even if he doesn’t want to deliver, and even if he has no intention of delivering - why would he choose NOT to deliver, when his short period as PM would surely have given him a bit of a taste of “Life at the Top” by now?

If I were Boris, and I’d been already bribed by the EU to bring about Remaining, then I’d seriously be considering becoming a turncoat at this point. Wouldn’t you?

Possession is nine-tenths of the law. Boris is PM now. He doesn’t owe any “back favours” then.
If the EU suddenly came out with some photos of him at Epstein’s Mansion, or some other seemingly concocted scandal - then the public would forgive him ANYTHING once he’s delivered the goods as promised.
They’d forgive him NOTHING though - if he failed to deliver, and kicked the can down the road.

I’d give Boris until about lunchtime on November 1st to “have some scandal made up about him” - should he be silly enough to think he can stay in the job, once he’s lost the support of the 17.4m that are prepared to vote for a Brexiteer PM - but WON’T do so - if he doesn’t deliver the goods first.

If Boris intended to deliver why didn’t he withdraw the government’s defence to the Tilbrook case.

On what basis do you think that the majority of Con MP’s and Con voters ( by constituency vote ) want him to deliver.As opposed to kick the can down the road until Lisbon kicks in.

Exactly which rule says he has to wait until the end of October to leave the EU why not now.

[winseer]

Boris is PM until October 31st, and he’s the shortest PM ever if he doesn’t keep his base promise by that date.

I don’t believe for a minute that Boris will be tired of the job by that point.
I also don’t believe that HE thinks he can “kick the can without kicking the bucket” - using his own language there.

It really IS “Do or Die” - for him.

Yes, there is a slim possibility that the EU have lined up all these closet Europhiles one after the other to keep on kicking the can down the road… If this is the case THIS time though,
then Boris is gone on November 1st… A “Free” extension is granted, another lightweight replaces Boris as PM, Another six months wasted, - .

Gotta have some forlorn hope that we can somehow get Brexit Delivered without waiting until June 2022 for someone to actually be DESPERATE to deliver it.

[carryfast]

Winseer:
Boris is PM until October 31st, and he’s the shortest PM ever if he doesn’t keep his base promise by that date.

I don’t believe for a minute that Boris will be tired of the job by that point.
I also don’t believe that HE thinks he can “kick the can without kicking the bucket” - using his own language there.

It really IS “Do or Die” - for him.

Yes, there is a slim possibility that the EU have lined up all these closet Europhiles one after the other to keep on kicking the can down the road… If this is the case THIS time though,
then Boris is gone on November 1st… A “Free” extension is granted, another lightweight replaces Boris as PM, Another six months wasted, - .

Gotta have some forlorn hope that we can somehow get Brexit Delivered without waiting until June 2022 for someone to actually be DESPERATE to deliver it.

The only realistic way it’s going to happen is if HM orders in the military to kick down the doors of parliament make a few show arrests and trials for treason and tell the EU to do one.Preferably before Christmas recess …1972.Instead of which remind us what she did.Do you really think that the establishment will reverse that all these years later.

My bet is delay until Lisbon kicks in in 2020 then all bets are off with the chickens coming home to roost in around 2050-2060 possibly sooner.At which point this asset stripped,subservient,weakened province of the German run EU superstate will have less chance of winning a war of Federal aggression v Secession than Georgia had in 1861 and certainly Slovenia in 1991.Unless it’s sooner in which case think Missouri instead of Georgia.

Bearing in mind that the referendum was just a sham self affirmation exercise to deliver us into the Lisbon treaty.Which obviously went wrong somehow because there were too many leave votes to lose/destroy/miscount.

[franglais]

Carryfast:

Winseer:
Boris is PM until October 31st, and he’s the shortest PM ever if he doesn’t keep his base promise by that date.

I don’t believe for a minute that Boris will be tired of the job by that point.
I also don’t believe that HE thinks he can “kick the can without kicking the bucket” - using his own language there.

It really IS “Do or Die” - for him.

Yes, there is a slim possibility that the EU have lined up all these closet Europhiles one after the other to keep on kicking the can down the road… If this is the case THIS time though,
then Boris is gone on November 1st… A “Free” extension is granted, another lightweight replaces Boris as PM, Another six months wasted, - .

Gotta have some forlorn hope that we can somehow get Brexit Delivered without waiting until June 2022 for someone to actually be DESPERATE to deliver it.

The only realistic way it’s going to happen is if HM orders in the military to kick down the doors of parliament make a few show arrests and trials for treason and tell the EU to do one.Preferably before Christmas recess …1972.Instead of which remind us what she did.Do you really think that the establishment will reverse that all these years later.

My bet is delay until Lisbon kicks in in 2020 then all bets are off with the chickens coming home to roost in around 2050-2060 possibly sooner.At which point this asset stripped,subservient,weakened province of the German run EU superstate will have less chance of winning a war of Federal aggression v Secession than Georgia had in 1861 and certainly Slovenia in 1991.Unless it’s sooner in which case think Missouri instead of Georgia.

Bearing in mind that the referendum was just a sham self affirmation exercise to deliver us into the Lisbon treaty.Which obviously went wrong somehow because there were too many leave votes to lose/destroy/miscount.

“The only realistic way…”…

[carryfast]

Franglais:
“The only realistic way…”…

That’s what would generally be expected of any head of state worthy of the name ,in the case of a government gone rogue handing over the country to a foreign power.But no let’s help them do it was so much better.

[winseer]

Parliament - don’t like extremes. Our first-past-the-post system - always gives parliament a good five year’s warning if a sea change is coming in UK politics.

For example, it is exceedingly unlikely that Brexit Party will go from Zero seats (using either of Farage’s parties for that base count) to a Majority at the next election.

Even if Farage won every single Conservative seat from them - the other parties of Westminster would all refuse to go into coalition, including (on this occasion) the DUP.

Farage - would not be able to form a government, and in any re-election taking place, people would simply lose faith in Farage to get anything done, since he couldn’t achieve anything despite winning the most seats…

The choices at the next election are:

(1) Hung Parliament, with five or possibly six parties having over 50 seats apiece.
(2) Rainbow Leftiest Coaltiion, consisting of Labour, Libdems, SNP, Plaid Cymru, Greens, and Sinn Fein
(3) Tory win with a thumping majority

If Brexit Party win a number of seats, then (1) would be the result, of course.
If Brexit Party win NO seats - then (3) would be the likely result.

I can’t see any way that (2) happens, without some outside donations from the EU directly to our leftist parties - in order to sabotage the country enough to do what it would take to get the Europhiles into power.
That would constitute Treason of course, and it is no surprise that the factions OF such a Rainbow Coaltiion "want to either lock up, or disband HM armed forces, and then quickly do away with our monarchy at the earliest opportunity, likely to arise when HM finally succumbs to the Grim Reaper.

Britain is NOT France, Spain, or the other countries more prone to “swinging left, and staying left” that we have ever been.
Even in 1997 - this country didn’t “Swing Left”. It was upto Blair to “Swing RIGHT” to win his own Thumping majority as he did. Blair - is no gambler. He didn’t want to leave it to chance that the country being “totally ■■■■■■ off with the Conservatives” alone - was enough to get Labour elected with a majority.

All the time Britain has anyone left alive who prospered during the Thatcher era, or even grew up as a kid during WWII - we, I estimate - are 60/40 Righties to Lefties in this country.

The longer things take though - the more time works against the Right. The EU’s plans for Britain are, of course - taking the long view.

[carryfast]

Winseer:
The choices at the next election are:

(1) Hung Parliament, with five or possibly six parties having over 50 seats apiece.
(2) Rainbow Leftiest Coaltiion, consisting of Labour, Libdems, SNP, Plaid Cymru, Greens, and Sinn Fein
(3) Tory win with a thumping majority

If Brexit Party win a number of seats, then (1) would be the result, of course.
If Brexit Party win NO seats - then (3) would be the likely result.

I can’t see any way that (2) happens, without some outside donations from the EU directly to our leftist parties - in order to sabotage the country enough to do what it would take to get the Europhiles into power.
That would constitute Treason of course, and it is no surprise that the factions OF such a Rainbow Coaltiion "want to either lock up, or disband HM armed forces, and then quickly do away with our monarchy at the earliest opportunity, likely to arise when HM finally succumbs to the Grim Reaper.

Britain is NOT France, Spain, or the other countries more prone to “swinging left, and staying left” that we have ever been.
Even in 1997 - this country didn’t “Swing Left”. It was upto Blair to “Swing RIGHT” to win his own Thumping majority as he did. Blair - is no gambler. He didn’t want to leave it to chance that the country being “totally ■■■■■■ off with the Conservatives” alone - was enough to get Labour elected with a majority.

All the time Britain has anyone left alive who prospered during the Thatcher era, or even grew up as a kid during WWII - we, I estimate - are 60/40 Righties to Lefties in this country.

The longer things take though - the more time works against the Right. The EU’s plans for Britain are, of course - taking the long view.

Let’s get this right the Tories are about to trash the home counties stockbroker belt by turning it into even Greater London.They are also going to get sussed by whatever sceptic side they’ve got when they see that BoJo is a remainer.The remainers will then finish the job that May started.

The only winners here will be a remain coalition within a collapsed turnout figure either way that’s even without the possibility of massive vote rigging.Bearing in mind that your example has over looked the fact that remain Tories are happy to join remain Labour and LibDem in an alliance.So we get remain by a minority remain vote because most of the Leave vote either won’t vote or their votes won’t count even if they do.Myself being one of the former in that I think Farage is a wavering waste of space just like BoJo and a bunch of tossers who can’t even look after their own heartlands,preferring instead to turn Oxshott into Tooting,certainly can’t be trusted to look after their own country even if BoJo by some miracle turned out to be the real deal.Nothing new there.

Then the real fun starts when Macron and his Kraut handlers start coming for payback to make an example of us.

[winseer]

Our opinions would diverge there.

I safely predict that the next election - will have the biggest turnout ever, even with attempts made to “lose a few ballot boxes” in the most strongly polarized areas (where they won’t be missed by the Remainer establishment)

When you ask people on the streets “How are you looking at voting at the next election” - and you hear:

“I’m a Remainer, so I’ll be backing the Libdems if I’m Pro Globalist, Anti Corbyn or vice-versa”

“I’m a Right Winger who backs Brexit Party if we’ve not had Brexit, or Boris if he delivers in time”

“I don’t care about politics, and I don’t vote” (more likely meaning that I will vote Conservative, but I live in a Remainer area, so I’d better keep my head down)

It always comes as a surprise to the pundits - when the Tories always always always seem to do “better than expected” in elections. Even in 1997, John Major’s disastrous Pro EU, Anti Taxpayer government we waited nearly five years to see the back of - only lost half their seats, and polled just 4m under Blair’s Labour (when we’d expect them to get crushed down to a double digit number of seats, and poll TEN million under Blair’s Labour!)

There are only so many floating voters of course. Core voters - are always there, unmoved. Labourites - will vote Labour even if their local candidate is a kiddie fiddler, whilst the “Tory Faithful” - would vote for a councillor who’s just sent the bayliffs around to re-possess their house… The vast majority of “floating voters” - are going to be either those who’ve not voted before, OR those who used to habitually vote for “Outsider Parties” like I have done my entire life so far. I’ve yet to vote for a fresh winning parliamentary candidate. I voted Libdem in 2010, but the seat was held by Labour. I voted Tory in 2017 to help stop the seat going to Labour - but in the end, he held on by over 10,000 majority - so my vote meant nothing as per usual. Perhaps next time, Brexit Party might be able to take this seat off it’s current “Born Again Brexiteer” incumbent, who has been rather too quiet after “respecting the party line” on Brexit, despite voting Remain originally. The very type of seat that Brexit Party should be seeking to unseat REGARDLESS of the size of the majority!

[carryfast]

Winseer:
“I don’t care about politics, and I don’t vote” (more likely meaning that I will vote Conservative, but I live in a Remainer area, so I’d better keep my head down)

How do you reach the conclusion that Tory doesn’t also mean remain.Raab actually represents a strong remain constituency with a large Con majority.As I said his rabble now intend to turn Oxshott into Tooting.That’s actually even more reason for anyone like me who doesn’t trust him and BoJo ‘not’ to vote for him.Similar applies in the outer London constituencies like Kingston who are suddenly waking up to what a complicit bunch of lying zb’s the LibDems are in that regard too in which Kingston becomes the new Hackney.I’m not going to help him and his stinking Party trash the place in addition to keeping us in the EU.To the point where remainers and leavers are actually now united on a much more important local issue that actually effects where and how we live.I’m just a no vote to add to those which will be got rid of in the key marginals.On that note you won’t believe the turnout figure that’s coming at least in the usual Tory heartlands.IE leavers disillusioned by local policies and remainers happy with a low turnout however they get it because that will be enough.

[winseer]

Carryfast:

Winseer:
“I don’t care about politics, and I don’t vote” (more likely meaning that I will vote Conservative, but I live in a Remainer area, so I’d better keep my head down)

How do you reach the conclusion that Tory doesn’t also mean remain.Raab actually represents a strong remain constituency with a large Con majority.As I said his rabble now intend to turn Oxshott into Tooting.That’s actually even more reason for anyone like me who doesn’t trust him and BoJo ‘not’ to vote for him.Similar applies in the outer London constituencies like Kingston who are suddenly waking up to what a complicit bunch of lying zb’s the LibDems are in that regard too in which Kingston becomes the new Hackney.I’m not going to help him and his stinking Party trash the place in addition to keeping us in the EU.To the point where remainers and leavers are actually now united on a much more important local issue that actually effects where and how we live.I’m just a no vote to add to those which will be got rid of in the key marginals.On that note you won’t believe the turnout figure that’s coming at least in the usual Tory heartlands.IE leavers disillusioned by local policies and remainers happy with a low turnout however they get it because that will be enough.

The conclusion I’ve made is that the very poor (on benefits) and the very rich (claiming tax offset expenses) supported Remain, with the upper working class/squeezed middle class workers supporting Brexit, unless they voted Remain out of some kind of panic over “change” they were not ready for…

That would mean that a Tory Remainer is likely to be rather well-off, with the Conservative Party absolutely needing the support of aspiring working people trying to earn a decent wedge every week

Why alienate that block of “floating voters” by then going back to the bad old days when the Tories were seen as an “Out-of-touch Party for snobs and toffs”?

Thatcher - managed to get enough of the middle-earning voter over to her cause - to win three elections on the spin.
“Tory-Lite” Tony Blair - managed that same feat, albeit wearing a different colour tie, and being a Scot with a public school accent.

Corbyn has just managed to alienate his own Leave-voting base to the point that a rather large number of Labour voters from 2017 have now seemingly disappeared into the woodwork, at least for the time being. “Labour support down” MUST be tied to “Corbyn coming out for Remain”.

If the Tories dive for Remain though out of some panic to “keep the toff vote on-board” -then they will suffer the same fate as Labour I reckon.

The Toffs - either vote Libdem or Tory. If the Toff vote gets alienated - then it won’t hurt the Tories if they lose a handful of seats to the Libdems, providing Brexit Party wins at least as many seats as they lose.
Seats lost to LABOUR though - would be twice as steep a hill to re-climb. RELAX! - What Toffee-nosed Upper Class Twit of the year - is going to “protest vote Corbyn” because his party that he’ll always vote for - happened to complete Brexit when he or she voted Remain in the referendum■■?

Homage to Monty Python's 'Upper Class Twit of the Year' sketch

I think you’ll find a lot more Remainers that “accept the result” among ■■■■■■■■ Tory voters than among the Far Left of Remain-voting Labourites…

[carryfast]

Winseer:

Carryfast:
The conclusion I’ve made is that the very poor (on benefits) and the very rich (claiming tax offset expenses) supported Remain, with the upper working class/squeezed middle class workers supporting Brexit, unless they voted Remain out of some kind of panic over “change” they were not ready for…

That would mean that a Tory Remainer is likely to be rather well-off, with the Conservative Party absolutely needing the support of aspiring working people trying to earn a decent wedge every week

Why alienate that block of “floating voters” by then going back to the bad old days when the Tories were seen as an “Out-of-touch Party for snobs and toffs”?

Thatcher - managed to get enough of the middle-earning voter over to her cause - to win three elections on the spin.
“Tory-Lite” Tony Blair - managed that same feat, albeit wearing a different colour tie, and being a Scot with a public school accent.

Corbyn has just managed to alienate his own Leave-voting base to the point that a rather large number of Labour voters from 2017 have now seemingly disappeared into the woodwork, at least for the time being. “Labour support down” MUST be tied to “Corbyn coming out for Remain”.

If the Tories dive for Remain though out of some panic to “keep the toff vote on-board” -then they will suffer the same fate as Labour I reckon.

The Toffs - either vote Libdem or Tory. If the Toff vote gets alienated - then it won’t hurt the Tories if they lose a handful of seats to the Libdems, providing Brexit Party wins at least as many seats as they lose.
Seats lost to LABOUR though - would be twice as steep a hill to re-climb. RELAX! - What Toffee-nosed Upper Class Twit of the year - is going to “protest vote Corbyn” because his party that he’ll always vote for - happened to complete Brexit when he or she voted Remain in the referendum■■?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4q8JKzRNh0

I think you’ll find a lot more Remainers that “accept the result” among ■■■■■■■■ Tory voters than among the Far Left of Remain-voting Labourites…

Brexit has nothing whatsoever to do with benefits or class.It’s all about democratic control over our own country’s government whether vote Con get Con or vote Labour get Labour.Was always so whether it was Heath or Thatcher supporting remain or Benn and Shore for Leave.

As for the next election trust me there’s loads going on in which Leave Cons and the UKIP vote and Remain LibDems and Cons are disillusioned by local issues in the South East.Combined with Remainers having more to win in that environment by switching tactically to LibDem,than the Leave vote does any more with UKIP gone and the Tories no better than LibDems regarding local issues.To the point where possibly even this safe Con seat but remain stronghold suddenly goes over night to a marginal like Kingston.Combined with an establishment that can’t afford Brexit to win out not least US Federalism.So as I said on course for a collapse in the turnout figure in important South East constituencies at least.Combined with a sophisticated more effective vote rigging agenda of which they’ve made a couple of practice runs after the Referendum mistake.That’s my bet based on personal intentions and those of many I know who voted for Brexit.

IE this place gets trashed regardless of whether LibDem or Cons win.But the remainers are guaranteed to stay in the EU by voting LibDem and I for one ain’t going to vote to trash my own back yard by voting for the local development policies of either party.Because an even Greater London taking over what remains of the Home Counties as we know them,is as bad if not worse,from my point of view,as the EU taking over the UK.

[winseer]

People have access to “information” now the like of which was never seen, even as recently as the Referendum in 2016.

There HAS been a change between 2016 and 2017 though.

People have become more polarized, more set in their ways. It is VERY hard now to convert a voter supporting one argument, into swinging the other way, for example should there be a change of leadership in the same political party.

Corbyn - in the 2017 election got a LOT more support than was expected of him, (to me) because he mopped up a lot of the 2015 UKIP vote, thinking at the time that Corbyn would benefit greatly from the Brexit Dividend, which would enable a future Corbyn government to fully fund it’s lavish spending committments without raising taxes, nor borrowing excessive amounts of new cash via bond floats.

Now that Corbyn has come off the fence on the REMAIN side though? - See how his support has evapourated!! No matter what polls you look at, Corbyn’s now NOT in a position to win a general election, any time soon, unlike earlier this year, when May was still PM.

How on EARTH are Parliament now going to “Stop Boris’ No Deal Brexit” - when any election called - they cannot now WIN?

If they try to remove Boris, and then block an election by NOT suspeding the 2011 Fixed Terms Parliaments Act - then Boris doesn’t HAVE to stand down, because he’s not able to call a general election!

Ultimately, HM the Queen will decide, and it seems that with Today’s news - the Queen fully supports Boris Johnson, as we suspected she supported Brexit all along, but couldn’t show her hand until now.

I suspect Boris will go for a November 7th General Election, if he can - and carry on regardless - if he CANNOT.

A vote of no confidence - would only kick Boris out of his job IF IF IF he reaches November 1st, “Brexit still not done” - for ANY reason. We Brexiteers currently loaning our support to Boris - don’t have the faith to back him like we held our noses and backed May - “Brexit as yet undone”. It’s Do or Die alright! “Kick the Can, and we kick the Bucket” for the Conservatives, too!

[winseer]

Western Bond Markets, including the UK and US bonds - have been rallying strongly of late. The pudits say that “this means a recession is imminent”.

No it bloody well doesn’t!!! I’ve got some experience as a Bond Trader myself, and it actually signifies this “Yield Inversion” argument - that a major currency/bond market elsewhere is about to FAIL.

How much would Eurobonds be worth, if the Euro isn’t worth spit any longer?

What wouldl you do with your money, if you’re heavily invested in the EU, and want to get your money out FAST now?

It is increasingly looking like imo that Boris’ Hard Brexit - will BREAK the EU financially. Who’s gonna lend THEM money, if THEY are short?
Are they going to appeal for our donations like some third world country before long?
Would YOU give them the steam off your ■■■■?

Another thing a strong Bond Yield Inversion suggests - is a resumption of the DOWNWARD trend in interest rates, which of course would benefit anyone on a base rate tracker mortgage.

Gradually, slowly, surely - all the things I voted Brexit to get - are coming to pass.

Unless Boris ends up like Epstein - I can’t see how he can be stopped now. (not that I’d put such skullduggery past the EU…)

[winseer]

Parliament has NOT been “Suspended” - It has been drawn to a close, after the year 2018 when Theresa May SKIPPED the formal end and re-opening of the next constitutionally-correct Parliamentary session, no doubt to facillitate Theresa May’s designs on “forever postponing Brexit” with no plan to “get it done during this session”.

Boris - is now bringing this session - to a natural end. In 400 years, there has not been a longer single parliamentary session, according to this article.

“Prerogued” is the wrong word. “Suspended” is the wrong word.

"Ending the current session, and starting the new session in PLENTY OF TIME for further debates, etc. far from being “unconstitutional” - is in fact the very essence of “Constitutionally Correct”.

I tip my hat to Boris - “He’s found a way” now.

Boris Johnson's letter to MPs in full

The only way Parliament can now prevent a No Deal Brexit - is to FORWARD A PLAN OF THEIR OWN which they would automatically pass at the first time of asking.
Of course, they won’t want to - because it is THEY who had no intention of ever letting ANY kind of Brexit happen.

A No Deal now - happens because Parliament couldn’t come up with an alternative. It’s THEIR fault, NOT Boris’.

“No Brexit” - was NEVER going to be accepted by the 17.4m that voted Leave. It is now time for Remainers to stop talking ■■■■■■■■ all the time, and GET ON WITH IT!

Put something on the table - or leave the room and sulk!

There’s NOTHING stopping the Remainer MPs from getting over to the EU themselves and thrashing out a “with a deal” Brexit that suits the two sides arguing the toss there.

“Stopping Brexit” - won’t stop No Deal. “Coming up with a deal of their own” - MIGHT.

[carryfast]

Winseer:
People have access to “information” now the like of which was never seen, even as recently as the Referendum in 2016.

There HAS been a change between 2016 and 2017 though.

People have become more polarized, more set in their ways. It is VERY hard now to convert a voter supporting one argument, into swinging the other way, for example should there be a change of leadership in the same political party.

Corbyn - in the 2017 election got a LOT more support than was expected of him, (to me) because he mopped up a lot of the 2015 UKIP vote, thinking at the time that Corbyn would benefit greatly from the Brexit Dividend, which would enable a future Corbyn government to fully fund it’s lavish spending committments without raising taxes, nor borrowing excessive amounts of new cash via bond floats.

Now that Corbyn has come off the fence on the REMAIN side though? - See how his support has evapourated!! No matter what polls you look at, Corbyn’s now NOT in a position to win a general election, any time soon, unlike earlier this year, when May was still PM.

How on EARTH are Parliament now going to “Stop Boris’ No Deal Brexit” - when any election called - they cannot now WIN?

If they try to remove Boris, and then block an election by NOT suspeding the 2011 Fixed Terms Parliaments Act - then Boris doesn’t HAVE to stand down, because he’s not able to call a general election!

Ultimately, HM the Queen will decide, and it seems that with Today’s news - the Queen fully supports Boris Johnson, as we suspected she supported Brexit all along, but couldn’t show her hand until now.

I suspect Boris will go for a November 7th General Election, if he can - and carry on regardless - if he CANNOT.

A vote of no confidence - would only kick Boris out of his job IF IF IF he reaches November 1st, “Brexit still not done” - for ANY reason. We Brexiteers currently loaning our support to Boris - don’t have the faith to back him like we held our noses and backed May - “Brexit as yet undone”. It’s Do or Die alright! “Kick the Can, and we kick the Bucket” for the Conservatives, too!

First you say that people are set in their ways and even more polarised.Then you seem to be betting the farm on the Leave Labour vote switching to Tory,the Tories remain majority switching to Leave,BoJo being a Leaver not a closet Remainer,the UKIP vote switching to Tory,the Brexit Party mugs switching to Tory.

As opposed to the Tory Remain vote either standing firm because they know that BoJo is a remainer doing an even better job of fooling the Leavers than May.

Or switching tactically to LibDem if not possibly even a combination of both but in which the choice of LibDem is the absolute guaranteed favourite for Remainers.

The Labour remain Blairite vote voting LibDem rather than trusting Starmer to chuck Corbyn under the bus.

The core UKIP vote ( me ) being totally ■■■■■■ off with Farage and UKIP’s politburo for trashing and chucking Batten under the bus.To the point of no longer giving a zb about Brexit or the country’s chances or future because at the end of the day if HM and the forces are happy to give the country away why should I care.

Also even more ■■■■■■ off with the Cons for trashing their own heartlands locally.The perception of the protection of which was always worth a tactical vote for them.

Combine all that with vote rigging in favour of the best perceived Remain candidate on an epic scale,combined with the SNP and Green ( Melons ) Remain vote,I give you the next GE.

In answer to which your best card is unconditional trust in BoJo to not only get us out of the EU which he is on record as supporting.But not then selling us out to China even if he is the real deal and Tory Remainers really do switch to Leave and those of us who’ve effectively been made stateless refugees,by the trashing of our homes as we know them in the home counties,are prepared to vote for the Tory tossers wot dun it.

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Winseer:
Western Bond Markets, including the UK and US bonds - have been rallying strongly of late. The pudits say that “this means a recession is imminent”.

No it bloody well doesn’t!!! I’ve got some experience as a Bond Trader myself, and it actually signifies this “Yield Inversion” argument - that a major currency/bond market elsewhere is about to FAIL.

How much would Eurobonds be worth, if the Euro isn’t worth spit any longer?

What wouldl you do with your money, if you’re heavily invested in the EU, and want to get your money out FAST now?

It is increasingly looking like imo that Boris’ Hard Brexit - will BREAK the EU financially. Who’s gonna lend THEM money, if THEY are short?
Are they going to appeal for our donations like some third world country before long?
Would YOU give them the steam off your ■■■■?

Another thing a strong Bond Yield Inversion suggests - is a resumption of the DOWNWARD trend in interest rates, which of course would benefit anyone on a base rate tracker mortgage.

Gradually, slowly, surely - all the things I voted Brexit to get - are coming to pass.

Unless Boris ends up like Epstein - I can’t see how he can be stopped now. (not that I’d put such skullduggery past the EU…)

Or to put it another way.What if the UK’s secession from the EU smashed the German banks and with it industry where loads of Brit and US cash and is invested.In addition to making the Euro worth less than a Zimbabwean Dollar.

Also what if/when Texas shouted what about us the day after we were seen to successfully secede from the EU.What if the Texan referendum then went the way of secede from the US being a $220 billion pa net contributor to the US Federal budget.You can see where this is going follow the money and Leave it obviously most definitely ain’t.

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Britain - already stands to forfeit the £9billion on deposit at EU banks. It is possible that Boris will pay £30billion less as he’s already indicated, and then say of the remaining £9billion - “Keep what you’ve already taken from our bank account”…

Thus, no money changes hands to make final settlement on Brexit Day.

I wonder how much effort Remainer Parliamentarians are making as we speak to “getting everyone home from their foreign holidays” so they can table the no confidence motion AND hold the vote on it in quick succession - and before all the Tory “lukewarm” Brexiteers come back to the house?

If there is a gap between tabling the no confidence motion and then the actual vote - then Boris need only sack every rebel who doesn’t put in writing that they’ll support him at the vote.

There’s no way a motion of no confidence would succeeed - without those 17 Tory Rebels.
Remember too, that it was 24 originally I think, with 7 already won-over, such as Amber Rudd…

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Winseer:
Britain - already stands to forfeit the £9billion on deposit at EU banks. It is possible that Boris will pay £30billion less as he’s already indicated, and then say of the remaining £9billion - “Keep what you’ve already taken from our bank account”…

Thus, no money changes hands to make final settlement on Brexit Day.

I wonder how much effort Remainer Parliamentarians are making as we speak to “getting everyone home from their foreign holidays” so they can table the no confidence motion AND hold the vote on it in quick succession - and before all the Tory “lukewarm” Brexiteers come back to the house?

If there is a gap between tabling the no confidence motion and then the actual vote - then Boris need only sack every rebel who doesn’t put in writing that they’ll support him at the vote.

Firstly I’d guess that the banker elites have a lot more to lose in investments across the EU not just Germany than just 9 billion which would all go down the tubes with the Euro.

There’s no way a motion of no confidence would succeeed - without those 17 Tory Rebels.
Remember too, that it was 24 originally I think, with 7 already won-over, such as Amber Rudd…

Firstly I’d guess that the banker elites have a lot more to lose in exposure to the EU,including Germany,than just 9 billion,which would all go down the tubes with the Euro.If we derailed the EU gravy train by taking back our cash and stopping all further payments.

While as I’ve shown for all his big words and double speak Trump like the whole US Federal system can’t afford to allow Brexit to succeed.Nor can HM allow herself to be implicated in any contradiction between having given Royal Assent to the European Communities act v giving Royal Assent to any Withdrawal Act based on the return of the sovereignty that was illegally taken from us in 1973 and which she rubber stamped.

Yes the remainers are right now plotting their next move in parliament.Which they can then implement during all the time which BoJo has allowed them from the 3rd - 11 th September or the 14th October - 31 October.The rest being a total charade as it has been since the referendum to date.

youtube.com/watch?v=iVnJwmpiT1k

Which part of the Tories,being an ideologically Federalist Party,which took us into the EU,are more interested in keeping the EU dream alive and financially afloat,than even the interests of their own Party,doesn’t the Leave vote understand.In this case by effectively creating a situation in which it allows the remainers in parliament to win.

While fooling Leavers into believing that the ‘closure’ in question is meant to deliver Brexit by removing parliament from the scene.In which case BoJo would have withdrawn the government’s defence of the Tilbrook case then prorogue parliament and delivered Brexit all well before October and with no chance of parliamentary opposition.The fact that he’s just needlessly kicked the can further down the road until the end of October,thereby allowing the remainers to defeat the pretend ‘Leave’ Cons,having conveniently provided them with the required window of opportunity,outside of the all for show,sham,so called ‘prorogation’ period,says it all.

On that note at best he’s just going to get them to accept May’s same surrender document/deal,in the form of Brino,which he’s already voted for.At worse orchestrate a no confidence vote in which the remain Lab/LibDem/Con/SNP alliance will be deliberately allowed to just take control in the form of a sham no confidence vote over the pretend Tory Leave side.Meaning an extension of article 50 and reversal of Brexit as was always the plan B in case Leave somehow won the referendum.