robroy:
carryfast-yeti:
who is Steve Bruce? can’t see his name in Boris’ new Cabinet
is he a descendant of Robert the Bruce? or some deadbeat football coach who’ll probably get his team relegated this season?Don’t know about his descendency, but you’re deadly accurate about what he is and the outcome…which was my point tbh.
right you pair, here is my first bet of the footy season. £100 that brucey doesn’t take them down.
any takers ? 
Well, B for Boris, B for Bruce & B for Better, So go on Bruce & make good at the Toon, 
, Your a Gordie so just go on & do you best, & show Ashley how its done, Plus the fans will love you if you pull it off,You are in a differant league to Boris you are in the sporting game, While good old Boris is in the well paid government game 
, Regards Larry.
robroy:
Just what’s needed I reckon, a breath of fresh air, someone who aint afraid to call a spade a spade, and he’s not to bothered about political correctness bs, and a bit of a maverick by nature.
As I said on another thread, Boris UK pm, Trump US president, strap yourselves in and enjoy the ride.
Hmm. Sounds more like a Slim Pickins line to me? When he played USAF Major Kong. Remember?
youtube.com/watch?v=snTaSJk0n_Y
Carryfast:
Winseer:
I can’t wait for Labour to push forward their token Muslim for “Shadow Chancellor” plus a token Asian to replace Corbyn’s former bit of skirt.“Mustapha Fagg” and “Ugli Patel” would probably fit the bill.
Labour - are on the ropes now. We’re getting a proper government for the first time in my lifetime I reckons - and I didn’t even vote for it!
How are Parliament going to stop Boris delivering a No Deal Brexit - when the alternative is to force a general election in which THEY would lose more seats than the Conservatives?
Firstly you do know that BoJo actually voted ‘for’ May’s BRINO ‘deal’.
He also campaigned on the side of Remain while people like Hoey were campaigning with GO,long before the referendum date.
The fact that he’s maintaining May’s deliberate stalling policy,while also maintaining the government’s position against the Tilbrook case,tells us all we need to know.Just another Conservative Federalist pretending to be something he’s not.Meanwhile the clock ticks down to 2020 Lisbon armageddon.Which is the end game here just as if remain had ‘won’ the referendum vote.
As for Labour etc losing more seats than the Cons in the inevitable GE which will be used to finally knock out the referendum.It doesn’t matter.Because it’s the ‘combined’ ‘remain’ vote in parliament which will finish the job which Heath,Thatcher and Major started and Cameron tried to finish.It really is unbelievable how many times the Cons can fool the electorate and it still comes back for more.So far having turned its back on real deal politicians like Powell,Benn,Shore and now Hoey and Batten to add to the list.On that note does a country which prefers to put its trust in people like Callaghan,Thatcher,Major,and Blair and now Corbyn,Starmer,May,and BoJo really deserve to survive.
Boris got wrong-footed as did a number of other ERG people who got told “Get May’s deal through, and we’ll amend it later…” which was a load of ■■■■■■■■ of course, since once we parted with the £39billion for absolutely NOTHING in return (no trade deal already drafted for the UK BY the EU - AT ALL) - it must have come on like a light bulb that May’s deal was nothing but “Hard Remain” and designed to get both sides of parliament to “Reject it” when “Remain” (i.e. “No Brexit at all”) was the proposed follow-up to that…
I won’t be judging Boris by what he’s done in the past. I’ll judge him for what he does between now and Christmas. If he lets us Brexiteers down - then we’ll be voting Brexit Party. If he delivers however, then Brexit Party will evaporate, the Conservatives will win back their majority at any election called, and Labour with or without Corbyn - will be FINISHED.
Notice that Labour have NO PLANS whatsoever for how to raise the money for all their spending committments. How they intend to “End Austerity” without the Brexit Dividend - one can only guess at.
Before any lunatics argue "There’s no such thing as the ‘Brexit Dividend’ - I’ll point out that it is the money we have given the EU on a regular basis the past four decades - that once we have LEFT the EU - we can spend at home on OURSELVES. Labour could have been part of that “Biggest Magic Money Tree of All Time” - but now they’ve decided that “Borrowing and being owned by a foreign power” are a better way to go than “Pulling ourselves together as a country” and solving our own problems with what should have been our own CASH all along.
The winner of the next general election - cannot possibly be Labour, since what do they win votes for doing? Standing on a Remain ticket? - So they’ll steal some of the Libdem seats away from them… Maybe half of them… That’s SIX seats Labour gain, surging forward to what? - “just 60 seats short of a majority”. Even if the SNP win all 59 seats in Scotland - they’d STILL have to ask Sinn Fien to make up this “Grand Coalition of Britain-hating LOSERS” wouldn’t they?
Labour have got NO chance winning any ERG seats. They are safe providing they are in Brexit-voting areas, which is more areas than not.
Could Labour win some Remainer Tory Seats? - Only if the AFFLUENT people that voted Remain - can countenence a higher taxes Corbyn government, or any “Labour” Government at ALL come to that. Can Keir Starmer win them over? - Perhaps enough to win 24 Tory seats of them - yes. BUT at the cost of throwing away the Corbyn voters around over a MILLION came from voting UKIP in the 2015 election FFS…
So… If Labour poll a million less than in 2017 at the next election, the “tactcal voting” would have to be such that they GAIN 24 seats from the Tories, GAIN half of the Libdem dozen seats, whilst NOT losing any to SNP… If SNP end up treading water, rather than re-surging to their high water mark of 56 seats again - then any Labour “Win” is going to involve at least a three-way coalition grouping… Labour/SNP/Libdem or even with Sinn Fien thrown in for good measure.
The Tories, meanwhile - could lose all the so-called “Rebels” - 24 of them, and providing Brexit Party win at LEAST that many - the Tories are still going to be in power - with a three-way coalition of their own. (Tory/Brexit Party/DUP)
An electoral pact is the obvious way to go - BUT Farage seems to currenly be playing “Hostile” to Boris at this time, perhaps intending to reach out to Labour voters in areas that voted Leave - where they want both Brexit to be delivered AND “NO MORE TORIES” most of all. Ask a “Lifetime Labour Voter” which they’d prefer between a “Majority Tory Government” or a “Coalition Government involving the weakened Tories and Nigel Farage’s Party” - and most of them would consider Farage in this context to be “A block to full-on Hard Tory”.
Winseer:
Carryfast:
The fact that he’s maintaining May’s deliberate stalling policy,while also maintaining the government’s position against the Tilbrook case,tells us all we need to know.Just another Conservative Federalist pretending to be something he’s not.Meanwhile the clock ticks down to 2020 Lisbon armageddon.Which is the end game here just as if remain had ‘won’ the referendum vote.As for Labour etc losing more seats than the Cons in the inevitable GE which will be used to finally knock out the referendum.It doesn’t matter.Because it’s the ‘combined’ ‘remain’ vote in parliament which will finish the job which Heath,Thatcher and Major started and Cameron tried to finish.It really is unbelievable how many times the Cons can fool the electorate and it still comes back for more.So far having turned its back on real deal politicians like Powell,Benn,Shore and now Hoey and Batten to add to the list.On that note does a country which prefers to put its trust in people like Callaghan,Thatcher,Major,and Blair and now Corbyn,Starmer,May,and BoJo really deserve to survive.
Boris got wrong-footed
I won’t be judging Boris by what he’s done in the past. I’ll judge him for what he does between now and Christmas.
The winner of the next general election - cannot possibly be Labour,
Which fits the definition of making the same mistake repeatedly time and time again and expecting a different outcome.Bearing in mind that BoJo wasn’t ‘wrong footed’ in clearly supporting our EU membership just like the Conservative Party has done since Heath took us into it.
Labour doesn’t need to ‘win’ the next GE it only requires a cross party remain majority alliance to maintain the status quo until 2020.
While if BoJo was the real deal he’d withdraw the government’s opposition to the Tilbrook case.In which case we left in March and any money paid to the EU since then has to be returned including making all MP’s who supported the extension of article 50 personally liable.No surprise he has no intention of doing that whatsoever.It’s all a play for time until 2020 when the Lisbon treaty outlaws secession.Then it’s game over for the country requiring nothing short of a full on war to get it out.Unfortunately future generations probably paying the price of that.
DON’T PANIC!
Johnson to launch £100,000,000 advertising campaign to convince us No Deal is OK.
.
Using rational argument, and logical reasoning, seems to not be working I guess. Time for the Gov to pay for some propaganda.
Franglais:
DON’T PANIC!
Johnson to launch £100,000,000 advertising campaign to convince us No Deal is OK.
.
Using rational argument, and logical reasoning, seems to not be working I guess. Time for the Gov to pay for some propaganda.
But it’s a bit less than the 9million of taxpayers money that Cameron spent to convince the UK to remain, governments always have and always will use propaganda, it would appear people only have a problem with it when the propaganda isn’t pushing their message
Mazzer2:
Franglais:
DON’T PANIC!
Johnson to launch £100,000,000 advertising campaign to convince us No Deal is OK.
.
Using rational argument, and logical reasoning, seems to not be working I guess. Time for the Gov to pay for some propaganda.But it’s a bit less than the 9million of taxpayers money that Cameron spent to convince the UK to remain, governments always have and always will use propaganda, it would appear people only have a problem with it when the propaganda isn’t pushing their message
£100 million is less than £9 million■■?
Although technically it may be when you see how far the pound has dropped since then…
Darkside:
Mazzer2:
Franglais:
DON’T PANIC!
Johnson to launch £100,000,000 advertising campaign to convince us No Deal is OK.
.
Using rational argument, and logical reasoning, seems to not be working I guess. Time for the Gov to pay for some propaganda.But it’s a bit less than the 9million of taxpayers money that Cameron spent to convince the UK to remain, governments always have and always will use propaganda, it would appear people only have a problem with it when the propaganda isn’t pushing their message
£100 million is less than £9 million■■?
Although technically it may be when you see how far the pound has dropped since then…
lol sorry didn’t see the amount of noughts fair comment
Mazzer2:
Franglais:
DON’T PANIC!
Johnson to launch £100,000,000 advertising campaign to convince us No Deal is OK.
.
Using rational argument, and logical reasoning, seems to not be working I guess. Time for the Gov to pay for some propaganda.But it’s a bit less than the 9million of taxpayers money that Cameron spent to convince the UK to remain, governments always have and always will use propaganda, it would appear people only have a problem with it when the propaganda isn’t pushing their message
For what it’s worth I think it was wrong of the Cameron Gov to fund those leaflets. I think it’s equally wrong of the Johnson Gov to fund this.
The amount of cash is considerable, and I daresay there is a good dig possible here when one remembers the funding issues surrounding the referendum.
Since this isn’t an election there is no limit on possible spending, is there? … (insert cynical emojie here)
Franglais:
DON’T PANIC!
Johnson to launch £100,000,000 advertising campaign to convince us No Deal is OK.
.
Using rational argument, and logical reasoning, seems to not be working I guess. Time for the Gov to pay for some propaganda.
Not disputing it mate, but are you sure 100 mill is an accurate figure?..? …any links?
If it is right, I agree it’s an obscene amount, that could be put to better use…a tenth of that amount squandered would be
but it’s hardly anything new or a newsflash is it. 
‘‘UK government squanders taxpayer’s money’’.
Shock horror. 
Look.I drive a truck for a living, so I am not some barrack room lawyer/amateur political expert like some on here profess to be ,.
I just make judgements on what I see for myself.
So to revive (and reiterate) an argument for a minute…
With most of the Brexit voters majority a no deal is viable and on the table, adapt and react. 
We voted on a simple IN or OUT ticket, with no caviats or conditions attached.
And here’s a shock …Despite what these ■■■■■ say, we DID know what we were voting for.
The sooner these whinging ■■■■ gets accept the democratic result the better.
All these stalling tactics are nothing to do with ‘‘No deal’’ issues, or any ■■■■ thing else on the fringe of Brexit,…but everything to do with these wimps not accepting a result and wanting to remain in the EU.
■■■■ ing embarrasing and pathetic, and making us a laughing stock to the rest of the civilised world, including the pro EU politicians in other EU European states, who are ■■■■ ing themselves in fear of Brexit becoming a trend,…the first one being NL I would bet.
Telegraph, Metro, Sun.
Biggest Gov campaign since WW2!
Franglais:
Telegraph, Metro, Sun.
Biggest Gov campaign since WW2!
And seeing as they are all pro Brexit papers it could be more…
Sorry to pick you up on this, but I am interested… With regard to being a whinging get…
What you are saying is we have to accept something we didn’t want because it got most votes.
Every government, every policy, every law you didn’t like you just accepted because it was voted for by a majority.
Darkside:
Franglais:
Telegraph, Metro, Sun.
Biggest Gov campaign since WW2!And seeing as they are all pro Brexit papers it could be more…
Sorry to pick you up on this, but I am interested… With regard to being a whinging get…
What you are saying is we have to accept something we didn’t want because it got most votes.
Every government, every policy, every law you didn’t like you just accepted because it was voted for by a majority.
And what would your answer to that statement be if the result had gone the other way?
Mazzer2:
Darkside:
Franglais:
Telegraph, Metro, Sun.
Biggest Gov campaign since WW2!And seeing as they are all pro Brexit papers it could be more…
Sorry to pick you up on this, but I am interested… With regard to being a whinging get…
What you are saying is we have to accept something we didn’t want because it got most votes.
Every government, every policy, every law you didn’t like you just accepted because it was voted for by a majority.
And what would your answer to that statement be if the result had gone the other way?
You have to have to arguments with regard to politics. I have voted Conservative all my life, but understood the anti poll tax marches for example.
If everyone is blindly told to shut up and get behind the ruling party or decisions they don’t like you are then moving into dictatorship…
I know I can’t change the result, but I am still allowed to put by viewpoint surely, is that something leavers want to stop?
There’s a little bit of Boris bashing from the left here. Yes £100mil is obscene, but Theresa May had planned 143 separate campaigns pushing her dead duck deal (that wasn’t actually happening) at a cost of £300mil. Boris has dropped these for a single campaign, at a third of the cost.
Franglais:
DON’T PANIC!
Johnson to launch £100,000,000 advertising campaign to convince us No Deal is OK.
.
Using rational argument, and logical reasoning, seems to not be working I guess. Time for the Gov to pay for some propaganda.
Oh look Tory Remainer stooge does yet another false flag stunt to make the Leave side look bad.Who would have thought it.
Darkside:
Mazzer2:
Darkside:
Franglais:
Telegraph, Metro, Sun.
Biggest Gov campaign since WW2!And seeing as they are all pro Brexit papers it could be more…
Sorry to pick you up on this, but I am interested… With regard to being a whinging get…
What you are saying is we have to accept something we didn’t want because it got most votes.
Every government, every policy, every law you didn’t like you just accepted because it was voted for by a majority.
And what would your answer to that statement be if the result had gone the other way?
You have to have to arguments with regard to politics. I have voted Conservative all my life, but understood the anti poll tax marches for example.
If everyone is blindly told to shut up and get behind the ruling party or decisions they don’t like you are then moving into dictatorship…
I know I can’t change the result, but I am still allowed to put by viewpoint surely, is that something leavers want to stop?
Absolutely nothing wrong with putting a view point across but there are many on the remain side who want more than that, rather than try to work together and get a mid point deal that would go some way to appealing to the majority of voters.
As a side note ironically if the poll tax was still in place then local authorities would be a lot better off due the massive increase in multi occupancy properties, when I lived in Rugby for a year the council tax was the same regardless of how many lived in the property, so 2 adults in my house, 4 in the house to one side if me and 6 in the other side the poll tax would have levied far more than the current system, or lowered the tax for all and still brought in the same amount
Mazzer2:
Darkside:
Franglais:
Telegraph, Metro, Sun.
Biggest Gov campaign since WW2!And seeing as they are all pro Brexit papers it could be more…
Sorry to pick you up on this, but I am interested… With regard to being a whinging get…
What you are saying is we have to accept something we didn’t want because it got most votes.
Every government, every policy, every law you didn’t like you just accepted because it was voted for by a majority.
And what would your answer to that statement be if the result had gone the other way?
There is no possible vote or any possible view which could ever make it ok to hand over the country to a foreign power IE justify treason.
