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OUT OF HOURS BULLY'S TRUCKSTOP BAR (INTERACTIVE)
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Franglais:

OVLOV JAY:
No, Johnson wasn’t the leader. But May was. Why do you have a problem with Sajid Javid being appointed chancellor by Boris, but you didn’t have a problem with Hammond being appointed by May? Ironically May was coronated by default, at least Johnson was voted in.

And MEPs don’t vote for the EU commissioners. The outgoing commission appoints them

I’m a bit pushed for time. So I’ll answer more fully later.
(TNUK holds it’s breath…)
Commissioners are not simply appointed by the outgoing administration.
I was criticising the sytem of patronage of Ministers by PMs, especially in (all) cases when the PM wasn’t head of party at time of the last General Election. (I can’t spare the time to write a list of all of them).
May’s coronation was an example of a poor selection system. Johnson’s election by a tiny selection of the population is an example of a different poor selection system.

The commission is self appointed. The candidates are nominated by the outgoing commissioners, before the MEPs vote. Not much democracy there. That’s why the Brexit party were kicking off on day one of the new European Parliament. And you haven’t answered my question as to what problem you have with Sajid Javid

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OVLOV JAY:

Franglais:

OVLOV JAY:
No, Johnson wasn’t the leader. But May was. Why do you have a problem with Sajid Javid being appointed chancellor by Boris, but you didn’t have a problem with Hammond being appointed by May? Ironically May was coronated by default, at least Johnson was voted in.

And MEPs don’t vote for the EU commissioners. The outgoing commission appoints them

I’m a bit pushed for time. So I’ll answer more fully later.
(TNUK holds it’s breath…)
Commissioners are not simply appointed by the outgoing administration.
I was criticising the sytem of patronage of Ministers by PMs, especially in (all) cases when the PM wasn’t head of party at time of the last General Election. (I can’t spare the time to write a list of all of them).
May’s coronation was an example of a poor selection system. Johnson’s election by a tiny selection of the population is an example of a different poor selection system.

The commission is self appointed. The candidates are nominated by the outgoing commissioners, before the MEPs vote. Not much democracy there. That’s why the Brexit party were kicking off on day one of the new European Parliament. And you haven’t answered my question as to what problem you have with Sajid Javid

Nonsense.
Literally nonsense.
Two self contradictory sentences in the first two lines.
Oh, and neither being true.
.,
And WTF are you saying about my attitude to Sajid Javid?
When have I mentioned him anywhere?

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Franglais:

OVLOV JAY:

Franglais:

OVLOV JAY:
No, Johnson wasn’t the leader. But May was. Why do you have a problem with Sajid Javid being appointed chancellor by Boris, but you didn’t have a problem with Hammond being appointed by May? Ironically May was coronated by default, at least Johnson was voted in.

And MEPs don’t vote for the EU commissioners. The outgoing commission appoints them

I’m a bit pushed for time. So I’ll answer more fully later.
(TNUK holds it’s breath…)
Commissioners are not simply appointed by the outgoing administration.
I was criticising the sytem of patronage of Ministers by PMs, especially in (all) cases when the PM wasn’t head of party at time of the last General Election. (I can’t spare the time to write a list of all of them).
May’s coronation was an example of a poor selection system. Johnson’s election by a tiny selection of the population is an example of a different poor selection system.

The commission is self appointed. The candidates are nominated by the outgoing commissioners, before the MEPs vote. Not much democracy there. That’s why the Brexit party were kicking off on day one of the new European Parliament. And you haven’t answered my question as to what problem you have with Sajid Javid

Nonsense.
Literally nonsense.
Two self contradictory sentences in the first two lines.
Oh, and neither being true.
.,
And WTF are you saying about my attitude to Sajid Javid?
When have I mentioned him anywhere?

It is self appointed! The commission approves the candidates. Imagine the Conservative party process was as follows: Boris wants to be PM, but May only puts Rory Stewart and Jeremy Hunt forward. The electorate vote on both of those people. Is that a democratic process? Or has May chosen her successor (ie two or more that she put forward to go to a vote)

And you moaned that Johnson had appointed Javid as chancellor, when nobody voted for the chancellor. But you didn’t pass comment about May choosing Hammond with nobody voting for him either. Why is that?

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OVLOV JAY:

Franglais:

OVLOV JAY:

Franglais:

OVLOV JAY:
No, Johnson wasn’t the leader. But May was. Why do you have a problem with Sajid Javid being appointed chancellor by Boris, but you didn’t have a problem with Hammond being appointed by May? Ironically May was coronated by default, at least Johnson was voted in.

And MEPs don’t vote for the EU commissioners. The outgoing commission appoints them

I’m a bit pushed for time. So I’ll answer more fully later.
(TNUK holds it’s breath…)
Commissioners are not simply appointed by the outgoing administration.
I was criticising the sytem of patronage of Ministers by PMs, especially in (all) cases when the PM wasn’t head of party at time of the last General Election. (I can’t spare the time to write a list of all of them).
May’s coronation was an example of a poor selection system. Johnson’s election by a tiny selection of the population is an example of a different poor selection system.

The commission is self appointed. The candidates are nominated by the outgoing commissioners, before the MEPs vote. Not much democracy there. That’s why the Brexit party were kicking off on day one of the new European Parliament. And you haven’t answered my question as to what problem you have with Sajid Javid

Nonsense.
Literally nonsense.
Two self contradictory sentences in the first two lines.
Oh, and neither being true.
.,
And WTF are you saying about my attitude to Sajid Javid?
When have I mentioned him anywhere?

It is self appointed! The commission approves the candidates. Imagine the Conservative party process was as follows: Boris wants to be PM, but May only puts Rory Stewart and Jeremy Hunt forward. The electorate vote on both of those people. Is that a democratic process? Or has May chosen her successor (ie two or more that she put forward to go to a vote)

And you moaned that Johnson had appointed Javid as chancellor, when nobody voted for the chancellor. But you didn’t pass comment about May choosing Hammond with nobody voting for him either. Why is that?

Sorry mate, but you’ve still got it wrong.

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Ok, so a bit of digging (quite easy with google) and they’re nominated by the council. Whatever way you look at it, they’re nominated from within the institution. Not very democratic, almost like the Russians or other corrupt governments isn’t it.

And why are you not answering the question about the chancellor?

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OVLOV JAY:
Ok, so a bit of digging (quite easy with google) and they’re nominated by the council. Whatever way you look at it, they’re nominated from within the institution. Not very democratic, almost like the Russians or other corrupt governments isn’t it.

And why are you not answering the question about the chancellor?

Sorry, but I do have a job to do.
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Bloody impatient kids!
[emoji5]

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Franglais:

OVLOV JAY:
Ok, so a bit of digging (quite easy with google) and they’re nominated by the council. Whatever way you look at it, they’re nominated from within the institution. Not very democratic, almost like the Russians or other corrupt governments isn’t it.

And why are you not answering the question about the chancellor?

Sorry, but I do have a job to do.
.
Bloody impatient kids!
[emoji5]

Not been called a kid for over 25 years, but you do keep coming back to reply, just not to the question

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Winseer:
Trump can have every human failing in the book as far as I’m concerned…

I’m one of those that thinks he is the “British version of Trump” now.

The fact he’s kicked off “shooting from the Lip” trolling the opposition on his very first day - demonstrates that he is completely “Poltiically Incorrect” - which is actually highly entertaining!

If Trump has energized politics - then Boris is the second act, even if you’re thinking “Bring on the Clowns” right now…

The winner of the next general election - will be the PM that ends Austerity. There’s no chance that’ll be Corbyn, as he’s jumped off the fence on the wrong side of it! :unamused:

I wish Labour luck working hard to win the Libdems dozen or so seats off them “by becoming a party of Remain like the Libdems”…

All it takes now is for Nigel Farage to not stand candidates in any seats with a Brexiteer Tory in them - and hey presto - the NEW leader of the opposition at the next election is likely to be that same Farage rather than Labour OR the libdems now! Forget the SNP - even maxed out at 59 seats - that will never be the “2nd largest party”… :stuck_out_tongue:

Just what’s needed I reckon, a breath of fresh air, someone who aint afraid to call a spade a spade, and he’s not to bothered about political correctness bs, and a bit of a maverick by nature.
As I said on another thread, Boris UK pm, Trump US president, strap yourselves in and enjoy the ride. :sunglasses:

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robroy:

Winseer:
Trump can have every human failing in the book as far as I’m concerned…

I’m one of those that thinks he is the “British version of Trump” now.

The fact he’s kicked off “shooting from the Lip” trolling the opposition on his very first day - demonstrates that he is completely “Poltiically Incorrect” - which is actually highly entertaining!

If Trump has energized politics - then Boris is the second act, even if you’re thinking “Bring on the Clowns” right now…

The winner of the next general election - will be the PM that ends Austerity. There’s no chance that’ll be Corbyn, as he’s jumped off the fence on the wrong side of it! :unamused:

I wish Labour luck working hard to win the Libdems dozen or so seats off them “by becoming a party of Remain like the Libdems”…

All it takes now is for Nigel Farage to not stand candidates in any seats with a Brexiteer Tory in them - and hey presto - the NEW leader of the opposition at the next election is likely to be that same Farage rather than Labour OR the libdems now! Forget the SNP - even maxed out at 59 seats - that will never be the “2nd largest party”… :stuck_out_tongue:

Just what’s needed I reckon, a breath of fresh air, someone who aint afraid to call a spade a spade, and he’s not to bothered about political correctness bs, and a bit of a maverick by nature.
As I said on another thread, Boris UK pm, Trump US president, strap yourselves in and enjoy the ride. :sunglasses:

The first few planned policies…

Raising the 40% tax bracket from £50k to £80k, and cutting Stamp Duty on properties on houses over 1.5m from 12% to 7%…

That will benefit the workers among us… Still think of the extra revenue all those promised new police officers will bring in to fund these cuts…

Still at least he calls a spade a spade :unamused: .

Sorry I am too long in the tooth, and too cynical to feel any of this optimism that people are talking of. I really really hope it works though, because without the EU to blame they will be picking on another group to blame.

Dominic Raab is credited with this gem "“Once they enter the workplace, the British are among the worst idlers in the world, we work among the lowest hours, we retire early and our productivity is poor.”

Better work conditions aren’t coming anytime soon I reckon.

Like I said, I really hope I am wrong but I just can’t see any upsides so far.

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Darkside:

robroy:

Winseer:
Trump can have every human failing in the book as far as I’m concerned…

I’m one of those that thinks he is the “British version of Trump” now.

The fact he’s kicked off “shooting from the Lip” trolling the opposition on his very first day - demonstrates that he is completely “Poltiically Incorrect” - which is actually highly entertaining!

If Trump has energized politics - then Boris is the second act, even if you’re thinking “Bring on the Clowns” right now…

The winner of the next general election - will be the PM that ends Austerity. There’s no chance that’ll be Corbyn, as he’s jumped off the fence on the wrong side of it! :unamused:

I wish Labour luck working hard to win the Libdems dozen or so seats off them “by becoming a party of Remain like the Libdems”…

All it takes now is for Nigel Farage to not stand candidates in any seats with a Brexiteer Tory in them - and hey presto - the NEW leader of the opposition at the next election is likely to be that same Farage rather than Labour OR the libdems now! Forget the SNP - even maxed out at 59 seats - that will never be the “2nd largest party”… :stuck_out_tongue:

Just what’s needed I reckon, a breath of fresh air, someone who aint afraid to call a spade a spade, and he’s not to bothered about political correctness bs, and a bit of a maverick by nature.
As I said on another thread, Boris UK pm, Trump US president, strap yourselves in and enjoy the ride. :sunglasses:

The first few planned policies…

Raising the 40% tax bracket from £50k to £80k, and cutting Stamp Duty on properties on houses over 1.5m from 12% to 7%…

That will benefit the workers among us… Still think of the extra revenue all those promised new police officers will bring in to fund these cuts…

Still at least he calls a spade a spade :unamused: .

Sorry I am too long in the tooth, and too cynical to feel any of this optimism that people are talking of. I really really hope it works though, because without the EU to blame they will be picking on another group to blame.

Dominic Raab is credited with this gem "“Once they enter the workplace, the British are among the worst idlers in the world, we work among the lowest hours, we retire early and our productivity is poor.”

Better work conditions aren’t coming anytime soon I reckon.

Like I said, I really hope I am wrong but I just can’t see any upsides so far.

Look mate, if I can try and accept Steve ■■■■ Bruce is managing us this season :open_mouth: …, getting used to Boris aint a problem. :smiley:
Btw maybe my ‘Calling a spade a spade’’ example, wasn’t an ideal choice when we are on about pc. :blush: :smiley:

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[Look mate, if I can try and accept Steve [zb] Bruce is managing us this season :open_mouth: …, getting used to Boris aint a problem. :smiley:
Btw maybe my ‘Calling a spade a spade’’ example, wasn’t an ideal choice when we are on about pc. :blush: :smiley:/quote]

The irony of your spade comment wasn’t lost on me, but I did think if I said he calls a spade a picanninie, all the snowflakes would come galloping up the orchard with pitchforks… :smiley:

With regard to Steve Bruce, can you please tell us who voted him in? There are a few people on this thread who are obsessed with democracy, (including one who can’t even spell it…) and it will save them all the hard work of working out if it was proper or not… :unamused: :unamused:

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OVLOV JAY:

Franglais:

OVLOV JAY:
Ok, so a bit of digging (quite easy with google) and they’re nominated by the council. Whatever way you look at it, they’re nominated from within the institution. Not very democratic, almost like the Russians or other corrupt governments isn’t it.

And why are you not answering the question about the chancellor?

Sorry, but I do have a job to do.
.
Bloody impatient kids!
[emoji5]

Not been called a kid for over 25 years, but you do keep coming back to reply, just not to the question

Try looking at these links:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Commissioner
europarl.europa.eu/news/en/f … -appointed

So, each prospective commissioner is nominated, in the first place, by their own National Government. The elected gov of each member state gets to put one up.
The candidate will therefore be chosen according to the political “leanings” of each member state at that time. (If the population elect a Tory Gov here, they will propose a Tory Commissioner)
The new Commissioners are from the ruling party of each member state, NOT from anywhere else.

The proposed Commissioners are examined by committees etc etc and are then, “en masse” offered up for approval to the EU Parliament.
The EU Parliament (All voted in by the population of their own countries) then get to approve or reject the proposed Commissioners.

Whatever sites you got your info from are…wrong.

I daresay that won`t draw a line under it, but lets move on.

Franglais:

Darkside:

malcolmgbell:
No I did not miss the unelected being elected in a undemercratic election by unelected meps

The MEPs were voted for by the public in a democratic election though…

Absolutely true.
And who is voting on our next Chancellor of the Exchequer, and HomeSecretary?
No-one…

Is this what you were meaning earlier with your Sajid Javid question?

As I suggested earlier the leader of a political party has a big influence on the Government that party will form. I gave the example that some voters may like Labour as a party, but not vote for them so long as Corbyn is the leader?
Changing party leaders mid-term may thus be seen as being undemocratic.
Some of those who voted for May expecting a “One Nation” type of conservatism, may not be quite so happy with Johnson and his ERG buddies. (I think Im rather understating things here!). I dont limit that observation to the present Tory Gov, it equally applies to all parties swopping leaders mid term.

So, a question for you, and others, (answers in black ink, on lined A4 single margin, write one side only)
Is it democratic that the UK PM gets to appoint Ministers on the strength of their own personal patronage?
Is that the best way to form a Government?
We can predict how a party leader will form an administration before a General Election and vote accordingly, but we can`t predict mid term leadership changes, so should a G.E. be automatically triggered in such cases?

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the nodding donkey:

Carryfast:

GasGas:
Corbyn’s a Leaver…he sees getting the UK out of the EU as the fastest way to collapse our capitalist economy and build a socialist/statist/stalinist one in its place.

That explains why Hoey decided to join TBP. :open_mouth:

Corbyn is an anti nation state Soviet Socialist just like Lenin,Stalin and Tito and sees the EUSSR as the logical replacement for the failed Soviet Union and Yugoslav Federation.In which he can also submerge this country into because it’s already in it.

Or have I missed something.

Aye, the bus…

To declare something “A Lie” one must actually have 100% access to the “correct answer” or “The Truth”.

I would imagine that NO one actually knows the exact figure we hand over to the EU for membership of it’s various institutions. It would be nice if even the hardrest Remainer could actually accept that it is a LOT of money we DO give to the EU though, and this huge sum - makes ending austerity rather difficult, not just for the incumbent Tory government.

I don’t think Austerity would end if Labour got in tomorrow - since they’d STILL have “no money” (as they leave it, traditionally…) and how would they end Austerity■■?
Borrowing? - The EU would no doubt offer a newly minted Corbyn as PM “all the money he wants to borrow - providing he drops Brexit on the spot”.

I reckon the EU have recently had talks with Corbyn - and that’s why this so-called Eurosceptic has finall decided to come down off the fence for Remain…

Tsipras of Greece - found out the hard way that a socialist government does NOT get you special treatment from the EU.
The EU demanded that Tsipras doubled down on Austerity in fact. Fire fighters were laid off among the 100,000 or so other public servants put to the unemployment queues, - and we all know how hundreds of people died in the fires last year that “no one was there to put out”. Greece’s own “Grenfell Moment” that like here, - got blamed on the Austerity.

What did people elect Tsipras to do though? Was it “lay off 100,000+ people” - or was it to END Austerity?

Now that Brexit is back in PLAY again - we now are on a course to end Austerity - simply by spending the money we used to give to the EU - on ourselves. The biggest “Golden Goose” or “Magic Money Tree” COMBINED - and to see that “Labour want no part of it” - tells us all just how OUT OF TOUCH Labour are with ordinary working people who just wanted to see “improved public services” for our hard-earned taxes paid over to whoever happens to be in power at the moment.

The Bus wasn’t a lie so much - just “inaccurate”.

It would only have EVER been a lie - if we actually take more than we give to the EU. We DON’T. It Is NOT a lie then.

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I can’t wait for Labour to push forward their token Muslim for “Shadow Chancellor” plus a token Asian to replace Corbyn’s former bit of skirt.

“Mustapha Fagg” and “Ugli Patel” would probably fit the bill.

Labour - are on the ropes now. We’re getting a proper government for the first time in my lifetime I reckons - and I didn’t even vote for it!

How are Parliament going to stop Boris delivering a No Deal Brexit - when the alternative is to force a general election in which THEY would lose more seats than the Conservatives? :unamused:

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So with all the crap talked here there is only 3 ways it can go
No Deal
New referendum
An election
The deal is done and dusted it don’t matter who is in power, the outcome is stareing you in the face
As the imitation trump says it’s the tail wagging the dog

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And they want this prick as pm you could not make it up youtu.be/ZAjoWC2pVoc

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Winseer:
I can’t wait for Labour to push forward their token Muslim for “Shadow Chancellor” plus a token Asian to replace Corbyn’s former bit of skirt.

“Mustapha Fagg” and “Ugli Patel” would probably fit the bill.

Labour - are on the ropes now. We’re getting a proper government for the first time in my lifetime I reckons - and I didn’t even vote for it!

How are Parliament going to stop Boris delivering a No Deal Brexit - when the alternative is to force a general election in which THEY would lose more seats than the Conservatives? :unamused:

Firstly you do know that BoJo actually voted ‘for’ May’s BRINO ‘deal’.

He also campaigned on the side of Remain while people like Hoey were campaigning with GO,long before the referendum date.

The fact that he’s maintaining May’s deliberate stalling policy,while also maintaining the government’s position against the Tilbrook case,tells us all we need to know.Just another Conservative Federalist pretending to be something he’s not.Meanwhile the clock ticks down to 2020 Lisbon armageddon.Which is the end game here just as if remain had ‘won’ the referendum vote.

As for Labour etc losing more seats than the Cons in the inevitable GE which will be used to finally knock out the referendum.It doesn’t matter.Because it’s the ‘combined’ ‘remain’ vote in parliament which will finish the job which Heath,Thatcher and Major started and Cameron tried to finish.It really is unbelievable how many times the Cons can fool the electorate and it still comes back for more.So far having turned its back on real deal politicians like Powell,Benn,Shore and now Hoey and Batten to add to the list.On that note does a country which prefers to put its trust in people like Callaghan,Thatcher,Major,and Blair and now Corbyn,Starmer,May,and BoJo really deserve to survive.

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Darkside:
The first few planned policies…

Raising the 40% tax bracket from £50k to £80k, and cutting Stamp Duty on properties on houses over 1.5m from 12% to 7%…

That will benefit the workers among us… Still think of the extra revenue all those promised new police officers will bring in to fund these cuts…

Still at least he calls a spade a spade :unamused: .

Sorry I am too long in the tooth, and too cynical to feel any of this optimism that people are talking of. I really really hope it works though, because without the EU to blame they will be picking on another group to blame.

Dominic Raab is credited with this gem "“Once they enter the workplace, the British are among the worst idlers in the world, we work among the lowest hours, we retire early and our productivity is poor.”

Better work conditions aren’t coming anytime soon I reckon.

Like I said, I really hope I am wrong but I just can’t see any upsides so far.

I don’t think anyone is under any illusions as to the motives of the Tories.The idea of Brexit should only be that of vote Labour get Labour not rule by the German elites.

On that note don’t remember the EU or even Corbyn rushing to the defence of Brit workers against Raab’s attacks.More like tacit agreement that the Germans are the chosen few.With all being united against the interests of the Brit working class.For the reasons provided by Raab’s comments in the case of the Tories and Labour’s historic sacrifice of the country’s working class to meet its bigger agenda of creating an EUSSR.

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who is Steve Bruce? can’t see his name in Boris’ new Cabinet :confused:
is he a descendant of Robert the Bruce? or some deadbeat football coach who’ll probably get his team relegated this season? :laughing:

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carryfast-yeti:
who is Steve Bruce? can’t see his name in Boris’ new Cabinet :confused:
is he a descendant of Robert the Bruce? or some deadbeat football coach who’ll probably get his team relegated this season? :laughing:

Don’t know about his descendency, but you’re deadly accurate about what he is and the outcome…which was my point tbh. :neutral_face: