limeyphil:
what is the point of living a life of what if? maybe this? maybe that?
lock everyone up, they may do something wrong tomorrow.
don’t teach your kids to swim, they might drown in the process.
if someone is stopped whilst carrying a knife, should he be given 25 years inside, just in case he kills someone?
a friend of mine starts swaying after 2 pints. lucky sod.
it costs me much more. we’re not all the same.
i’m not saying he shouldn’t be punished. but the sentencing punishes not only him, but his whole family.
a few weeks inside for someone that isn’t a career criminal would be enough to deter him. after that he can get on with his life, and put it behind him. knowing that if he’s stopped again, then he’ll be locked up for much longer.
■■■■ doesn’t give a ■■■■ about his Family or anybody else’s, so why should the Magistrates or Filth? If he did, he’d think, ummmmm I’ve had at least 6 pints too many, maybe I should sleep it off and stop being such a selfish dangerous scum. Not ■■■■■■ rocket science, don’t drink and drive and don’t have a skinfull the night before a driving job.
when people take drugs, then commit a crime. the court will be lenient with them on the grounds of diminished responsibility, due to them being bag heads. but if you drive for a living, you drink more than you should which affects your rational thinking, then you get stopped for drink driving. you can’t say “i’m sorry your honour, i was so ■■■■■■■ i didn’t know what i was doing”.
limeyphil:
when people take drugs, then commit a crime. the court will be lenient with them on the grounds of diminished responsibility, due to them being bag heads. but if you drive for a living, you drink more than you should which affects your rational thinking, then you get stopped for drink driving. you can’t say “i’m sorry your honour, i was so ■■■■■■■ i didn’t know what i was doing”.
Ummmmm, this is slightly different, this chap was driving a big ■■■■ off waggon with the potential to have a dramatic impact on thousands of lives. Not some scummy junkie burglar.
Why would a professional driver who relies on his licence for a living put himself in a position whereby his responsibility is diminished in the first place? Where would you draw the line - I couldn’t be arsed to deliver this load up north so i stopped in the middle lane of the M6 to have a little rest and watch jeremy Kyle m’lud.
A smack head generally is fairly near the bottom of the social scale and so has nothing to lose. With the right to move 40 odd tonnes of metal around the highways of this land comes a responsibility, if the driver is not willing to rise to that responsibility then he shouldn’t be allowed to do it. would seem the court agreed.
bigr250:
Question, should a VOSA enforcement officer caught 3 times above the legal limit driving his car home from the pub be sacked, his job is supposed to be all about road safety & that kind of drinking and driving is definately a threat to road safety. IMHO!!
Ross.
Yea, sack the [zb]. A pig would get the boot, happened in the past.
Anyways, what’s VOSAstappo got to do with this? Has one of these [zb] been caught DUI?
Indeed, it was a few years ago and he worked at Llay test station near Wrexham & was a Tacho enforcement officer!! I know his name but won’t post it on here but I’m certain he wasn’t even suspended, let alone sacked!! I could be wrong on that though!!
The same bloke had been in our yard a couple of years before when a couple of our trucks had been speeding on the A483 taking logs from Birkenhead to Chirk, he was an arrogant SOB blathering on about “speed kills” & so on & so forth. We had a PI & nearly lost our ‘O’ licence, he then goes and gets bladdered & drives his Range Rover home!! obviously the local copper didn’t like him either!!
fair enough, he shouldn’t have done it, but there could be an underlying problem that gets ignored. he could be a damned good driver, and a loving family man, he’s cocked up, but does he get any help? no. he’s not a low life scumbag smack head.
but he might be in the future, because the courts have taken everything away from him.
limeyphil:
when people take drugs, then commit a crime. the court will be lenient with them on the grounds of diminished responsibility, due to them being bag heads. but if you drive for a living, you drink more than you should which affects your rational thinking, then you get stopped for drink driving. you can’t say “i’m sorry your honour, i was so ■■■■■■■ i didn’t know what i was doing”.
Ummmmm, this is slightly different, this chap was driving a big [zb] off waggon with the potential to have a dramatic impact on thousands of lives. Not some scummy junkie burglar.
What if that “scummy junkie” drove his Vauxhall Corsa into a bus stop full of kids!! I’m sick of reading about “44ton artic” & the porential danger etc etc, the authorities use this to brainwash people into ‘buying into’ their “what we say is wrong IS wrong”!!!
Drink driving is wrong, simple as that!! But this bloke, even drunk, did manage to drive 150 miles without hitting anything so his judgment couldn’t have been that far out, the scum bag in his Corsa could run a kid over & clear off without a second thought & not even remember it in the morning having consumed another measure of whatever rubbish he takes.
limeyphil:
the guy had travelled 150 miles without any problems, he even stopped for a coffee, he didn’t kill anyone.
BUT WHAT IF HE HAD■■? a lot could go wrong in 150 miles, was it just luck or was he that good?? and importantly what about the next time, when he knows he can handle it and has one more for the road, then he could end up killing someone.
Would you, I or anyone honestly be so forgiving if someone over the limit ran into you or heaven forbid a family member, child standing at a corner and the back wheels didnt quite make it round?? all sorts of things can go wrong and we never know what Joe public is going to do, it may not even be his fault but would the reactions still be as sharp??
Personally I think there should be a zero limit for drink driving no matter who and what vehicle it is, thats just my opinion and mine alone.
Madguy
what is the point of living a life of what if? maybe this? maybe that?
lock everyone up, they may do something wrong tomorrow.
don’t teach your kids to swim, they might drown in the process.
if someone is stopped whilst carrying a knife, should he be given 25 years inside, just in case he kills someone?
a friend of mine starts swaying after 2 pints. lucky sod.
it costs me much more. we’re not all the same.
i’m not saying he shouldn’t be punished. but the sentencing punishes not only him, but his whole family.
a few weeks inside for someone that isn’t a career criminal would be enough to deter him. after that he can get on with his life, and put it behind him. knowing that if he’s stopped again, then he’ll be locked up for much longer.
Not sure this is a constructive argument to this, teaching a child to swim helps to prevent incident or accident, (and i did say helps) Carrying a knife should be the domian of the responsible, i carry a multi purpose knife while driving as i often have to cut open clingfilm wrapping etc but i wouldnt use it to stab someone, and i know that if i had one pint i wouldnt be stable standing no matter driving, thats whi i dont drink and drive, i know that if i get caught i would loose my licence, i also know that my reactions would not be anywere near what they should be and i would not want to take the risk of mamming or killing someone, just the same as i will not use a mobile phone whislt driving unless i am using a legal hands free kit, there are plenty of warning over the TV, media, along motorways etc so everyone knows the conciquences legally that they can be subject to, i guess from what your saying is as long as he didnt hurt anyone he’s OK? from this I personaly would have to question your ethics and morals about what is and isnt correct, as before if someone ran into you and injured you or your family due to being over the limit or using a mobile phone, rendering them viod of insurance with no one for you to claim from for repair or replacment of your vehicle, time off work while injured, or again heaven forbid lifetime costs of nursing a loved one for the rest of there life after being left incapacitated, would you then be quite so accomadating■■?
From your numeruos posts across the forums i see the picture that you like to drop the preverble cat amongst the pigeons and stir up some kind of argumentative debate on whatever the topic of fasion seems to be, But I wonder if you are just fueling your own disruptive and argumentative ego knowing or unknowing that to most normal decent proffesional drivers and law abiding citizens really don’t agree with a lot of the utter trash that you write?
Again this is just my opinion and to be honest i really don’t give a toss as to the reply that will come back as undoubtably it will continue in the same boring nonsense that has been expected to as yet has always been found.
Funny how those who seem to think this guy made an honest mistake and shouldn’t lose his licence are the one’s complaining they are picked on and doing no harm in not wearing seatbelts, using a phone whilst driving etc. they also seem to be the one’s that are moaning about the anti-truck sentiments within this country.
Now consider this; This is a public forum that anyone can view. How would Limeyphil and Bigr250 react if say a bored journalist perused this site then reprinted some of their quotes with something along the lines of " a spokesman for the road transport industry said that drink driving shouldn’t be punished and that using a mobile phone whilst driving is perfectly acceptable". a statement not entirely untrue within the context of this forum, but totally untrue and out of context with the majority of Lorry drivers. the reader of the newspaper wouldn’t care however.
This would fuel the anti truck backlash and fuel the perception that all truck drivers are ignorant thugs on the road and have no respect for road traffic laws, thus also fuelling the very thing they moan about.
Without going into too many details, there has been instances of journalists trolling another forum I subscribe to with the sole purpose of obtaining a quote to suit their own agenda.
limeyphil:
the guy had travelled 150 miles without any problems, he even stopped for a coffee, he didn’t kill anyone.
BUT WHAT IF HE HAD■■? a lot could go wrong in 150 miles, was it just luck or was he that good?? and importantly what about the next time, when he knows he can handle it and has one more for the road, then he could end up killing someone.
Would you, I or anyone honestly be so forgiving if someone over the limit ran into you or heaven forbid a family member, child standing at a corner and the back wheels didnt quite make it round?? all sorts of things can go wrong and we never know what Joe public is going to do, it may not even be his fault but would the reactions still be as sharp??
Personally I think there should be a zero limit for drink driving no matter who and what vehicle it is, thats just my opinion and mine alone.
Madguy
what is the point of living a life of what if? maybe this? maybe that?
lock everyone up, they may do something wrong tomorrow.
don’t teach your kids to swim, they might drown in the process.
if someone is stopped whilst carrying a knife, should he be given 25 years inside, just in case he kills someone?
a friend of mine starts swaying after 2 pints. lucky sod.
it costs me much more. we’re not all the same.
i’m not saying he shouldn’t be punished. but the sentencing punishes not only him, but his whole family.
a few weeks inside for someone that isn’t a career criminal would be enough to deter him. after that he can get on with his life, and put it behind him. knowing that if he’s stopped again, then he’ll be locked up for much longer.
Not sure this is a constructive argument to this, teaching a child to swim helps to prevent incident or accident, (and i did say helps) Carrying a knife should be the domian of the responsible, i carry a multi purpose knife while driving as i often have to cut open clingfilm wrapping etc but i wouldnt use it to stab someone, and i know that if i had one pint i wouldnt be stable standing no matter driving, thats whi i dont drink and drive, i know that if i get caught i would loose my licence, i also know that my reactions would not be anywere near what they should be and i would not want to take the risk of mamming or killing someone, just the same as i will not use a mobile phone whislt driving unless i am using a legal hands free kit, there are plenty of warning over the TV, media, along motorways etc so everyone knows the conciquences legally that they can be subject to, i guess from what your saying is as long as he didnt hurt anyone he’s OK? from this I personaly would have to question your ethics and morals about what is and isnt correct, as before if someone ran into you and injured you or your family due to being over the limit or using a mobile phone, rendering them viod of insurance with no one for you to claim from for repair or replacment of your vehicle, time off work while injured, or again heaven forbid lifetime costs of nursing a loved one for the rest of there life after being left incapacitated, would you then be quite so accomadating■■?
From your numeruos posts across the forums i see the picture that you like to drop the preverble cat amongst the pigeons and stir up some kind of argumentative debate on whatever the topic of fasion seems to be, But I wonder if you are just fueling your own disruptive and argumentative ego knowing or unknowing that to most normal decent proffesional drivers and law abiding citizens really don’t agree with a lot of the utter trash that you write?
Again this is just my opinion and to be honest i really don’t give a toss as to the reply that will come back as undoubtably it will continue in the same boring nonsense that has been expected to as yet has always been found.
Madguy
Where do people get this bull crap idea from? Insurance for 3rd party’s isn’t rendered void by things like this.
As a 3rd party, you would still be able to claim.
Montmerency:
dramatic impact on thousands of lives.
Really?
Yes, I said thousands.
Family, friends of said family, friends including work colleagues etc.
Look at Mr Vs thread about the very sad loss of his Son, 5 pages, nuff said.
limeyphil:
the guy had travelled 150 miles without any problems, he even stopped for a coffee, he didn’t kill anyone.
BUT WHAT IF HE HAD■■? a lot could go wrong in 150 miles, was it just luck or was he that good?? and importantly what about the next time, when he knows he can handle it and has one more for the road, then he could end up killing someone.
Would you, I or anyone honestly be so forgiving if someone over the limit ran into you or heaven forbid a family member, child standing at a corner and the back wheels didnt quite make it round?? all sorts of things can go wrong and we never know what Joe public is going to do, it may not even be his fault but would the reactions still be as sharp??
Personally I think there should be a zero limit for drink driving no matter who and what vehicle it is, thats just my opinion and mine alone.
Madguy
what is the point of living a life of what if? maybe this? maybe that?
lock everyone up, they may do something wrong tomorrow.
don’t teach your kids to swim, they might drown in the process.
if someone is stopped whilst carrying a knife, should he be given 25 years inside, just in case he kills someone?
a friend of mine starts swaying after 2 pints. lucky sod.
it costs me much more. we’re not all the same.
i’m not saying he shouldn’t be punished. but the sentencing punishes not only him, but his whole family.
a few weeks inside for someone that isn’t a career criminal would be enough to deter him. after that he can get on with his life, and put it behind him. knowing that if he’s stopped again, then he’ll be locked up for much longer.
Not sure this is a constructive argument to this, teaching a child to swim helps to prevent incident or accident, (and i did say helps) Carrying a knife should be the domian of the responsible, i carry a multi purpose knife while driving as i often have to cut open clingfilm wrapping etc but i wouldnt use it to stab someone, and i know that if i had one pint i wouldnt be stable standing no matter driving, thats whi i dont drink and drive, i know that if i get caught i would loose my licence, i also know that my reactions would not be anywere near what they should be and i would not want to take the risk of mamming or killing someone, just the same as i will not use a mobile phone whislt driving unless i am using a legal hands free kit, there are plenty of warning over the TV, media, along motorways etc so everyone knows the conciquences legally that they can be subject to, i guess from what your saying is as long as he didnt hurt anyone he’s OK? from this I personaly would have to question your ethics and morals about what is and isnt correct, as before if someone ran into you and injured you or your family due to being over the limit or using a mobile phone, rendering them viod of insurance with no one for you to claim from for repair or replacment of your vehicle, time off work while injured, or again heaven forbid lifetime costs of nursing a loved one for the rest of there life after being left incapacitated, would you then be quite so accomadating■■?
From your numeruos posts across the forums i see the picture that you like to drop the preverble cat amongst the pigeons and stir up some kind of argumentative debate on whatever the topic of fasion seems to be, But I wonder if you are just fueling your own disruptive and argumentative ego knowing or unknowing that to most normal decent proffesional drivers and law abiding citizens really don’t agree with a lot of the utter trash that you write?
Again this is just my opinion and to be honest i really don’t give a toss as to the reply that will come back as undoubtably it will continue in the same boring nonsense that has been expected to as yet has always been found.
Madguy
Where do people get this bull crap idea from? Insurance for 3rd party’s isn’t rendered void by things like this. As a 3rd party, you would still be able to claim. [/quote]
I’m sorry but as a close friend of mine works in the insurance industry and we have discussed things like this before, he has confirmed that should an accident etc happen due to alcohal abuse etc then insurance will be viod as the initial statments which form the agreement state that you will not drive under the influence, so many people think that it will be fine, it won’t, if the insurance company can get off on a technicallity they will, but if not sure please fell free to test the theory out for yourselves.
Not sure i can continue reading and commenting on this discussion, i really am finding it very difficult to stoop down to the level of some people on here, very sad considering there are supposed to be proffesional drivers on here yet consider it acceptable to drink drive etc.
madguy:
Not sure i can continue reading and commenting on this discussion, i really am finding it very difficult to stoop down to the level of some people on here, very sad considering there are supposed to be proffesional drivers on here yet consider it acceptable to drink drive etc.
What the hell is the world coming to??
Madguy
That’s easy, it’s gonna be full of 'Ski’s doing all the Driving and Manual jobs and the World will be nearly Bankrupt.
madguy:
Not sure i can continue reading and commenting on this discussion, i really am finding it very difficult to stoop down to the level of some people on here, very sad considering there are supposed to be proffesional drivers on here yet consider it acceptable to drink drive etc.
What the hell is the world coming to??
Madguy
i don’t think anyone has condoned drink driving.
the point that some of us have tried to point out is that people should be punished for their crimes, but underlying circumstances should be considered.
bluenose:
If it wasn’t for the “Pigs and Filth”, this alcohol crazy nutter would still be on the streets threatening the lives of thousands of innocence people.
