Booking poa.why?

I’ve been driving class1 21yrs now and know driver hours regs inside out got my operators cpc (ex od) but since wtd came in I’ve never booked a single min poa why? If you get delayed your intitled to book a break so why poa?the law does not state that you must record some poa,so am i missing something or is it a load of nonsense.can’t get my head around these people who bang on about POA!

nedbro:
I’ve been driving class1 21yrs now and know driver hours regs inside out got my operators cpc (ex od) but since wtd came in I’ve never booked a single min poa why? If you get delayed your intitled to book a break so why poa?the law does not state that you must record some poa,so am i missing something or is it a load of nonsense.can’t get my head around these people who bang on about POA!

It’s the mode I use when I want to get paid and I also don’t want to be on break

Don’t know your terms and conditions but why don’t you want to take a break?your not working.we get paid by the hour less 30 mins from booking on-off less 30 mins so can’t see point booking it, may be your firm works different (not having a go)just seems pointless to me

I never use POA.I am salaried, job and knock, so when my wheels are not moving, my mode is always on break or crossed hammers.POA is just another piece of beauracratic nonsence.

delivery windows. if my load is an hour late being loaded then it can affect my schedule. i might then hit 6 hours half way through a drop. what do i do? book POA while i wait for my load or ask the shop staff to wait half an hour between their ambient and frozen goods?

scanny77:
delivery windows. if my load is an hour late being loaded then it can affect my schedule. i might then hit 6 hours half way through a drop. what do i do? book POA while i wait for my load or ask the shop staff to wait half an hour between their ambient and frozen goods?

Tell them to wait 15 minutes instead.

You’ve done 3 hours driving, you’re 5 hours away from the yard, you’ve had 15 minutes on break, you arrive at your last delivery, they tell you you’re going to have to wait an hour.

If you want to keep your working hours down then you can stick it on break, but then you’ll need a 45 on the way home, stick it on poa and you’ll only need a 30 minute break on the way home. That 15 might be the difference between getting home or not or just a bit earlier if you want to just get home

stevieboy308:
You’ve done 3 hours driving, you’re 5 hours away from the yard, you’ve had 15 minutes on break, you arrive at your last delivery, they tell you you’re going to have to wait an hour.

If you want to keep your working hours down then you can stick it on break, but then you’ll need a 45 on the way home, stick it on poa and you’ll only need a 30 minute break on the way home. That 15 might be the difference between getting home or not or just a bit earlier if you want to just get home

Except some (all that I have come across anyway) will reset your driving time if you use POA anyway.
eg
drive 1 hour
15 min break
tip
1 hour poa
reload
drive 2 hours
30 min break 3 hours from base. You think your clear then the tacho starts complaining an hour from home that you need a break

stevieboy308:
You’ve done 3 hours driving, you’re 5 hours away from the yard, you’ve had 15 minutes on break, you arrive at your last delivery, they tell you you’re going to have to wait an hour.

If you want to keep your working hours down then you can stick it on break, but then you’ll need a 45 on the way home, stick it on poa and you’ll only need a 30 minute break on the way home. That 15 might be the difference between getting home or not or just a bit earlier if you want to just get home

There is other ways around that, but no doubt some one will say its improper use of the mode switch, haha.
Just to add to the OP, some firms won’t pay for excessive breaks, like a 3 hour tip, and some of us work for firms that will pay from start to finish,.

stevieboy308:
You’ve done 3 hours driving, you’re 5 hours away from the yard, you’ve had 15 minutes on break, you arrive at your last delivery, they tell you you’re going to have to wait an hour.

If you want to keep your working hours down then you can stick it on break, but then you’ll need a 45 on the way home, stick it on poa and you’ll only need a 30 minute break on the way home. That 15 might be the difference between getting home or not or just a bit earlier if you want to just get home

I thought 45 mins of POA resets the driving time ?

Semtex:

stevieboy308:
You’ve done 3 hours driving, you’re 5 hours away from the yard, you’ve had 15 minutes on break, you arrive at your last delivery, they tell you you’re going to have to wait an hour.

If you want to keep your working hours down then you can stick it on break, but then you’ll need a 45 on the way home, stick it on poa and you’ll only need a 30 minute break on the way home. That 15 might be the difference between getting home or not or just a bit earlier if you want to just get home

Except some (all that I have come across anyway) will reset your driving time if you use POA anyway.
eg
drive 1 hour
15 min break
tip
1 hour poa
reload
drive 2 hours
30 min break 3 hours from base. You think your clear then the tacho starts complaining an hour from home that you need a break

It might reset your driving time on the tacho, but it hasn’t reset your driving time and you don’t need to stop for another break.

weeto:

stevieboy308:
You’ve done 3 hours driving, you’re 5 hours away from the yard, you’ve had 15 minutes on break, you arrive at your last delivery, they tell you you’re going to have to wait an hour.

If you want to keep your working hours down then you can stick it on break, but then you’ll need a 45 on the way home, stick it on poa and you’ll only need a 30 minute break on the way home. That 15 might be the difference between getting home or not or just a bit earlier if you want to just get home

There is other ways around that, but no doubt some one will say its improper use of the mode switch, haha.
Just to add to the OP, some firms won’t pay for excessive breaks, like a 3 hour tip, and some of us work for firms that will pay from start to finish,.

Yeah but doing it the other way won’t help you keep your working time hours down.

Terry T:

stevieboy308:
You’ve done 3 hours driving, you’re 5 hours away from the yard, you’ve had 15 minutes on break, you arrive at your last delivery, they tell you you’re going to have to wait an hour.

If you want to keep your working hours down then you can stick it on break, but then you’ll need a 45 on the way home, stick it on poa and you’ll only need a 30 minute break on the way home. That 15 might be the difference between getting home or not or just a bit earlier if you want to just get home

I thought 45 mins of POA resets the driving time ?

Only if you’re double manning

stevieboy308:

weeto:

stevieboy308:
You’ve done 3 hours driving, you’re 5 hours away from the yard, you’ve had 15 minutes on break, you arrive at your last delivery, they tell you you’re going to have to wait an hour.

If you want to keep your working hours down then you can stick it on break, but then you’ll need a 45 on the way home, stick it on poa and you’ll only need a 30 minute break on the way home. That 15 might be the difference between getting home or not or just a bit earlier if you want to just get home

There is other ways around that, but no doubt some one will say its improper use of the mode switch, haha.
Just to add to the OP, some firms won’t pay for excessive breaks, like a 3 hour tip, and some of us work for firms that will pay from start to finish,.

Yeah but doing it the other way won’t help you keep your working time hours down.

2x1 minute burst of other work isn’t gonna break the bank, and some drivers won’t use it out of principle.

weeto:

stevieboy308:

weeto:

stevieboy308:
You’ve done 3 hours driving, you’re 5 hours away from the yard, you’ve had 15 minutes on break, you arrive at your last delivery, they tell you you’re going to have to wait an hour.

If you want to keep your working hours down then you can stick it on break, but then you’ll need a 45 on the way home, stick it on poa and you’ll only need a 30 minute break on the way home. That 15 might be the difference between getting home or not or just a bit earlier if you want to just get home

There is other ways around that, but no doubt some one will say its improper use of the mode switch, haha.
Just to add to the OP, some firms won’t pay for excessive breaks, like a 3 hour tip, and some of us work for firms that will pay from start to finish,.

Yeah but doing it the other way won’t help you keep your working time hours down.

2x1 minute burst of other work isn’t gonna break the bank, and some drivers won’t use it out of principle.

Fair enough,

But i’ll dream about having principles while the dude with principles sets his alarm for 29 minutes so he can press a button he doesn’t need to press!! Let’s hope he doesn’t sleep over!! Fudge a manual entry so he can get home that night, gets busted for fudging and at point he wishes he wasn’t quite so principled!!

Suppose it depends on who you work for as to if you book poa still don’t see point tho

Terry T:
I thought 45 mins of POA resets the driving time ?

:unamused: :unamused:

What is the definition of a PoA? What is the definition of a break? How does the first satisfy the second?

LeedsChris:
I never use POA.I am salaried, job and knock, so when my wheels are not moving, my mode is always on break or crossed hammers.POA is just another piece of beauracratic nonsence.

But one that allows you to stay below your 48hr average without having to explain to VOSA that the 10 times you were on break on your tacho you didn’t work once and were totally free to dispose of your time as you wished.

Conor:

LeedsChris:
I never use POA.I am salaried, job and knock, so when my wheels are not moving, my mode is always on break or crossed hammers.POA is just another piece of beauracratic nonsence.

But one that allows you to stay below your 48hr average without having to explain to VOSA that the 10 times you were on break on your tacho you didn’t work once and were totally free to dispose of your time as you wished.

You don’t need to be free to dispose of your time to qualify for a break, that’s rest.

Conor:

LeedsChris:
I never use POA.I am salaried, job and knock, so when my wheels are not moving, my mode is always on break or crossed hammers.POA is just another piece of beauracratic nonsence.

But one that allows you to stay below your 48hr average without having to explain to VOSA that the 10 times you were on break on your tacho you didn’t work once and were totally free to dispose of your time as you wished.

He’s talking about break, not rest, so the free to dispose of your time thing is irrelevant.

For someone whose main theme on here is knocking other people over their supposed lack of knowledge of the regulations, and suggesting they need a DCPC course every chance you get, your own shortcomings with regard to the regulations, especially the most basic points, is shocking. Pot, kettle. :unamused: :unamused: