Nice trailer Ray.
smallcoal:
DEANB:
Glad the French trip went ok JAKEY.Whats Markaff up to ■■
Hi dean ,not heard from mark hopefully he be back this week
Cheers John. 
Marston Motor Co advert from 1964.
Click on page twice.
DEANB:
smallcoal:
DEANB:
Glad the French trip went ok JAKEY.Whats Markaff up to ■■
Hi dean ,not heard from mark hopefully he be back this week
Cheers John.
Marston Motor Co advert from 1964.
Click on page twice.
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Hi Dean. Its a Guy Otter. Wonder where the inside back wheels have gone? It must be an artists impression rather than a photo.
We had three of them 2 B Reg & 1 C Reg. I haven’t a photo of any of ours but keep hoping one turns up.
And although photos of the model before that’s the first I’ve see of that cab, which is a smaller version of the Guy Invincible cab, I always thought Arthur Rathbone at Marsden’s used it for inspiration for the square twin headlamp cab he designed for the Bedford SBs in 1965.
They Guys had 4 cylinder Gardiner Engines that achieved about 26 mpg and were very reliable but top speed was just 40 mph which was OK in 1964 but as motorways developed they were quickly outdated and the Guy cab suffered very bad cab rotting which was a shame because appart from that they were built like battleships
So pleased you shared that photo
Best wishes
Carl
Carl Williams:
DEANB:
smallcoal:
DEANB:
Glad the French trip went ok JAKEY.Whats Markaff up to ■■
Hi dean ,not heard from mark hopefully he be back this week
Cheers John.
Marston Motor Co advert from 1964.
Click on page twice.
Hi Dean. Its a Guy Otter. Wonder where the inside back wheels have gone? It must be an artists impression rather than a photo.
We had three of them 2 B Reg & 1 C Reg. I haven’t a photo of any of ours but keep hoping one turns up.
And although photos of the model before that’s the first I’ve see of that cab, which is a smaller version of the Guy Invincible cab, I always thought Arthur Rathbone at Marsden’s used it for inspiration for the square twin headlamp cab he designed for the Bedford SBs in 1965.They Guys had 4 cylinder Gardiner Engines that achieved about 26 mpg and were very reliable but top speed was just 40 mph which was OK in 1964 but as motorways developed they were quickly outdated and the Guy cab suffered very bad cab rotting which was a shame because appart from that they were built like battleships
So pleased you shared that photoBest wishes
Carl
Hello Carl,
You did well to spot that the inside wheels were missing ! 
26 mpg was impressive,what gross weight were yours running at ?
Heres another one.
The Otter was Guys 4 -5 tonner & when plating came in they were plated at about 9 ton GVW. One of the biggest reduction in fuel capacity was speed Faster you go the more fuel you use & our Guys with 4 cylinder Gardner were certainly not fast. I remember coming ac
cross one of them, in my car, on the the newly built M18 that led onto the M1 just past Doncaster, just before we took them off the road. It was a pitiful sight crawling up the incline onto the M1 on its way down to Leicester at 20 MPH in the crawler lane.
The strange thing is the drivers got through the same amount of work as Bedford drivers who were cruising past at 50-55 I suppose it was like the tortoise & the hare, but like I said driving one was like a punishment & new drivers were allocated them to prove themselves & of course they were making bigger profits using much less fuel. Its the same today I suppose as some operators govern their vehicles to lower speeds (I believe Elddis Transport & George Allison both from up here in NE are 2) to achieve optimum fuel consumption. As it can make the difference of success or failure in present times. But in our case you have to draw the line somewhere. My father who had never driven one of the Guys, in fact had never driven any for years, went for a drive out with one and came back furious that we were running such outdated vehicles and within 2 months they were gone.
Here is a photo of one of our Big Js with Gardner 180s which although 32 ton GTW usually would gross about 20 ton GVW and getting about 12 mpg compared to something like a Leyland Lynx doing same work 8mpg. And in this case the drivers preferred the Big J to then new Lynx.
smallcoal:
Hi lads ,me receiving my letter and champagne in our yard yesterday for 10 years service
Hello Lads,
Been busy doing work on house amongst other things…i see thread as been busy 
Jonh congratulations mate 10 years hard labour
Gold watch on the next one
Are you back to normal yet mate ?
JAKEY:
Sorry to hear you had a blow out ,WHAT AXLE ?The Hoff loaded Monday ,traveled Tuesday to France ,unloaded Wednesday morning ,reloaded Wednesday afternoon in Paris with seven empty lift vans , unloaded Thursday morning to midday in Kent ,back Thursday evening .
Hi Steve,
The french trip went well then mate…any other trips in the pipeline ?
DEANB:
John, one from your part of the world.Taylors from Newport.
Click on page twice.
Hi Dean,
Some great van body add’s …Taylors from Newport very respectable company back in the day…changed there colours around the millennium from there lovely brown and cream to grey and red…not sure if there still in business these days.
Great add’s though dean plesure to read.
smallcoal:
JAKEY:
Robbins are back !!! great news !That Scania is a bloody ugly looking thing .
Steve I agree with you mate the one who came up with that must be on the funny ■■■■
I’m sure this Scania " the ugly one Jonh" is one of Constantine’s from London…they are fine art movers do a lot for the National galleries among other important figure’s including royalty if my memory in right…its a crew cab with a sleeper pod.
John i managed to dig out some pics of our vans at last …managed to rememver when i was down my mothers lastweek.
This D series was one of three we bought from RJ Bown in Caerphilly in 1983…this one is CTG 208V the other two were 200V and 205V…W Jones had 204V.
Nice to see you back Mark and glad you been busy at home, i thought i saw your wagon on Thursday heading west bound on the M4 ,i flashed and put my hand up ,got a vacant stare 
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I had a 6am start heading for Hint near Tamworth ,very quick load for Bristol and a pick from Bristol too for the same client ,all for Oxford , stopped at the new Gloucester services for a 45 !!! lovely place but far to expensive for food there ,but the food was lovely .
Did have another French trip but not booked yet ,plenty on round here though ,jammed packed month already ,now struggling for containers and had to hire in a porter from Robinsons for the week !! he is my sons mate any how and already had a uniform as we hired him before .
Lots of college jobs now too .
Do you know when we can deliver to Wales ,i got that delivery in my truck to the one i was talking to you about ?
marktaff:
smallcoal:
Hi lads ,me receiving my letter and champagne in our yard yesterday for 10 years serviceHello Lads,
Been busy doing work on house amongst other things…i see thread as been busyJonh congratulations mate 10 years hard labour
Gold watch on the next one
Are you back to normal yet mate ?
Hi mark,haven’t stopped been really busy pumpover work is through the roof concrete plants busy as hell plenty of admixture delivery’s we quieting down a bit now seen one of yours this week by baglan,I had £100 paid into my account by Clarkes,20 years you get £200 goes up every 10 years you back yet mate ,nice to see the ford enjoyed driving them was the ignition on the dash or on the steering column
JAKEY:
Nice to see you back Mark and glad you been busy at home, i thought i saw your wagon on Thursday heading west bound on the M4 ,i flashed and put my hand up ,got a vacant stareI had a 6am start heading for Hint near Tamworth ,very quick load for Bristol and a pick from Bristol too for the same client ,all for Oxford , stopped at the new Gloucester services for a 45 !!! lovely place but far to expensive for food there ,but the food was lovely
Did have another French trip but not booked yet ,plenty on round here though ,jammed packed month already ,now struggling for containers and had to hire in a porter from Robinsons for the week !! he is my sons mate any how and already had a uniform as we hired him before .
Lots of college jobs now too .
Do you know when we can deliver to Wales ,i got that delivery in my truck to the one i was talking to you about ?
Hi Steve,there’s plenty of removal trucks heading to wales so I don’t see any problem at all give the customer a ring and see cause we deliver to home addresses ,
Carl Williams:
The Otter was Guys 4 -5 tonner & when plating came in they were plated at about 9 ton GVW. One of the biggest reduction in fuel capacity was speed Faster you go the more fuel you use & our Guys with 4 cylinder Gardner were certainly not fast. I remember coming ac
cross one of them, in my car, on the the newly built M18 that led onto the M1 just past Doncaster, just before we took them off the road. It was a pitiful sight crawling up the incline onto the M1 on its way down to Leicester at 20 MPH in the crawler lane.The strange thing is the drivers got through the same amount of work as Bedford drivers who were cruising past at 50-55 I suppose it was like the tortoise & the hare, but like I said driving one was like a punishment & new drivers were allocated them to prove themselves & of course they were making bigger profits using much less fuel. Its the same today I suppose as some operators govern their vehicles to lower speeds (I believe Elddis Transport & George Allison both from up here in NE are 2) to achieve optimum fuel consumption. As it can make the difference of success or failure in present times. But in our case you have to draw the line somewhere. My father who had never driven one of the Guys, in fact had never driven any for years, went for a drive out with one and came back furious that we were running such outdated vehicles and within 2 months they were gone.
Here is a photo of one of our Big Js with Gardner 180s which although 32 ton GTW usually would gross about 20 ton GVW and getting about 12 mpg compared to something like a Leyland Lynx doing same work 8mpg. And in this case the drivers preferred the Big J to then new Lynx.
Thanks again Carl,intresting reading.
20mph was fast compared to some motors in a crawler lane i have seen ! That was a hell of a difference in fuel consumpion
between the Guy & Lynx !! 
What engine was in the Lynx,can you remember ?
marktaff:
John i managed to dig out some pics of our vans at last …managed to rememver when i was down my mothers lastweek.
This D series was one of three we bought from RJ Bown in Caerphilly in 1983…this one is CTG 208V the other two were 200V and 205V…W Jones had 204V.
Nice to see you back Mark !
DEANB:
Carl Williams:
The Otter was Guys 4 -5 tonner & when plating came in they were plated at about 9 ton GVW. One of the biggest reduction in fuel capacity was speed Faster you go the more fuel you use & our Guys with 4 cylinder Gardner were certainly not fast. I remember coming ac
cross one of them, in my car, on the the newly built M18 that led onto the M1 just past Doncaster, just before we took them off the road. It was a pitiful sight crawling up the incline onto the M1 on its way down to Leicester at 20 MPH in the crawler lane.The strange thing is the drivers got through the same amount of work as Bedford drivers who were cruising past at 50-55 I suppose it was like the tortoise & the hare, but like I said driving one was like a punishment & new drivers were allocated them to prove themselves & of course they were making bigger profits using much less fuel. Its the same today I suppose as some operators govern their vehicles to lower speeds (I believe Elddis Transport & George Allison both from up here in NE are 2) to achieve optimum fuel consumption. As it can make the difference of success or failure in present times. But in our case you have to draw the line somewhere. My father who had never driven one of the Guys, in fact had never driven any for years, went for a drive out with one and came back furious that we were running such outdated vehicles and within 2 months they were gone.
Here is a photo of one of our Big Js with Gardner 180s which although 32 ton GTW usually would gross about 20 ton GVW and getting about 12 mpg compared to something like a Leyland Lynx doing same work 8mpg. And in this case the drivers preferred the Big J to then new Lynx.
Thanks again Carl,intresting reading.
20mph was fast compared to some motors in a crawler lane i have seen !
between the Guy & Lynx !!
We had three new supplied by Mann-Eggerton Norwich, as my dad had met their Managing director at on a business trip & they gave us excellent discount & I picked each of them up & drove them back to Spennymoor over about 4-5 months. We had such high hopes as they were modern for their day 28 to GVW with the 500 fixed head engines which was Leyland’s latest development. A total failure. They also fitted it into the Atlantean double decker busses. Our workshops got proficient in fitting new replacement engines under warrantee and Newcastle Corporation who had bought over 200 Atlantean were having difficulty keeping up with their bus services and offered us a contract to fit 1 new engine per week as few had workshops high enough to get the double deckers in. We refused as we were kept busy with our own.
We had 5 AEC Mercuries (2 of them rigids) & 2 Leyland Super Comet Tractor units which were excellent (the AEC’s in particular produced excellent fuel consumption) but Leyland saw these two models in competition to their newly designed Lynx & stopped production to concentrate on the Lynx & take away the alternatives to help maximise the sales. The last 8 tractor units were all ERF with Gardner engine and 1 DAf. Although expensive the ERFs were wonderful machines
Carl Williams:
“DEANB”20mph was fast compared to some motors in a crawler lane i have seen !
between the Guy & Lynx !!We had three new supplied by Mann-Eggerton Norwich, as my dad had met their Managing director at on a business trip & they gave us excellent discount & I picked each of them up & drove them back to Spennymoor over about 4-5 months. We had such high hopes as they were modern for their day 28 to GVW with the 500 fixed head engines which was Leyland’s latest development. A total failure. They also fitted it into the Atlantean double decker busses. Our workshops got proficient in fitting new replacement engines under warrantee and Newcastle Corporation who had bought over 200 Atlantean were having difficulty keeping up with their bus services and offered us a contract to fit 1 new engine per week as few had workshops high enough to get the double deckers in. We refused as we were kept busy with our own.
We had 5 AEC Mercuries (2 of them rigids) & 2 Leyland Super Comet Tractor units which were excellent (the AEC’s in particular produced excellent fuel consumption) but Leyland saw these two models in competition to their newly designed Lynx & stopped production to concentrate on the Lynx & take away the alternatives to help maximise the sales. The last 8 tractor units were all ERF with Gardner engine and 1 DAf. Although expensive the ERFs were wonderful machines
Good stuff Carl. Cant believe those engines were that bad ! That bus company must have been pulling there hair out if they were replacing
at least one engine per week. 
That must have done some damage to Leyland’s reputation and sales !
Heres another Guy Otter advert from 1955.
