Bit of an eye opener maybe

cooper1203:
My future plan is maybe get a class one and go tramping. Have read comments from the more sensible members on here that i think do that i was interested to see if the original question was a day in the life of a trampper or just a bad day.

You can only do what you can do mate workwise. If the workload is too high then you simply do not complete the workload. Law and above all safety trump any plans set by the t/o.

As a tramper you build a relationship with your planners, they know what each driver will do and what each driver will not do. All a planner wants is consistency from a driver so they can plan accordingly. It’s worth bearing in mind that all planners want a pint from a half pint glass so will push a driver accordingly. You, as a driver do not have to be militant or stroppy but merely forceful in getting your point across as to what is and what isn’t acceptable to you personally. Once that happy medium has been reached then everyone should be content.

Reading this forum it’s immediately obvious as to which ones are the cabbages who allow themselves to be pushed to the absolute limit day in day out, and it’s also obvious as to which ones will go a little further if required but are also sensible enough to pace themselves accordingly and therefore eat, sleeep and work accordingly. The latter is the path to a long life grasshopper. :wink:

cooper1203:
As somebody posted i guess its a case of “green eye” on my part. Generally speaking i have a set route with 7 - 12 drops/collections. Some are the same places every day some I do once a week some are occasional. I have a boss that doesn’t treat me like an idiot no matter how stupid my mistakes or questions and very occasionally a pallet might be heavy (500 kg) I have a good repore with the goods in staff at the drops.

My future plan is maybe get a class one and go tramping. Have read comments from the more sensible members on here that i think do that i was interested to see if the original question was a day in the life of a trampper or just a bad day.

You don’t always need to do tramping or class 1 to do distance bulk work.
Just about the best job I ever had was class 3 bulk work no more than around 1 or 2 drops and maybe 1 collection, more often no collections, anywhere from Kent to the west country and home every day.
But certainly would never turn my nose up at a full load from Erith to Wrexham load in the afternoon there for the following morning.At least without knowing more details.
Yes if I was lumbered with 12 drops in/around London ? I’d deffo have the green eye for that job.Look on the bright side it could be 50 + with a 7.5 tonner. :wink:

Carryfast:
[Why does he need to start at 7 am assuming one or two drops and tipped at Tooting by 12.30 either way ?.
Why does he need to get to Wrexham that same evening I’m not saying that’s going to happen.I’m saying close enough to finish the run early next morning ?.
How long do you think it takes to get from Erith to Wrexham. :confused:
So we’ve got around 15-6 hours total from loading up to arrival time take daily rest and break out of that.
I’m guessing that the guvnor isn’t planning on not taking a reduced daily rest period here.
I’m also guessing it can be more than 9 hours though.
I’m also guessing the 7 am arrival time isn’t set in stone.
I’m guessing something along the lines of Erith to Hilton Park services.
Then Hilton Park to Wrexham.
Break is obviously going to be wherever most convenient and according to the clock.
No one said tachos are easy to work with.

It could have been a 9 o’clock start or a 10 o’clock start with however many drops, it didn’t really matter, but now you’ve just made it so much easier with your insistence that he has a really late start.

So in that case he only had the 6/7 pallets to get rid of that day. We’ll start him at Cobham again at 11 o’clock this time with 1/2hr to ¾ hr to get to Tooting and the same 1.5hrs to Erith, so that’s 2 ¼ driving used and there’s been no need to take any breaks because of the late start.

Leave Erith at 3.30 pm so he must have 45 minutes by 5.45. He’s at Thurrock just before 4 having been on duty now for almost 5 hrs so it seems reasonable enough have a break now, it makes things simple because he’s got to have a WTD break by 5pm anyway which makes South Mimms just a little too far to make by 5 o’clock with any certainty.

4.45 leave Thurrock, we’ll forget about all the traffic around the area at that time of day and have him straight on the M25 at 4.45. According to AA route planner he’ll make the 160 miles to J3 M54 or the M54 services in 2hrs 40 minutes… er at 60 mph average speed (for a car.) That’ll be 7.25 and its 43 miles to go and 1 hr to Wrexham…… in a car.

Now let’s do that motorway section again when we aren’t in Cloud F**** cuckoo land. He’s not going to average 56 either so I’ll give you 53/54 and that’s generous. That means 3hrs give or take a minute or two. 7. 45pm and it’s still 43 miles and one hour to Wrexham . 8.45pm

You can put him in Hilton Park overnight if you like, he’ll do that in 2 ½ hrs at 60 mph average from Thurrock so 7.15. Restart in the morning at 06.15. Leave after vehicle checks at 0630 arrive Wrexham 07.45.

You can play around with the day as much as you like : get him away at 3 o’clock, but unless he takes his break while loading which we’ve already established isn’t happening because he can’t do it legally, it will always be as I said a ‘just’ manged to do it, with the potential for a lot of stress and concern about trying to maintain speed in heavy traffic. Without the 9 hrs overnight, which we had eliminated because no planner should assume it to be possible, it was always going to be difficult. The goal was 7 o’clock, we go with what we are given not make excuses. I’d try to do it, in a sensible manner, but I’d point out that success would be unlikely unless the booking time was put back. There is absolutely no way I’d be joining in the silly buggers nose to tail race. I’d be knocking back the speed limiter to around 53 in the busy sections to let them all pass me and have myself a relaxing drive.

Who knows we may have someone on here who does Wrexham to Dartford Tunnel regularly and can rubbish this.

I do love how much thought and effort some have gone into over this theoretical job :smiley:

switchlogic:
I do love how much thought and effort some have gone into over this theoretical job :smiley:

Not me, I’ve already said (and repeated it) that I can’t be arsed to work it out…life’s too short. :smiley:
I’m just glad for, (and benefiting from) Carryfast’s advice on how to do multi drops. :laughing:

No driver should be allowed to drive more than 350 miles in a 24 hour period.

It’s dangerous.

eagerbeaver:
No driver should be allowed to drive more than 350 miles in a 24 hour period.

It’s dangerous.

350 miles?! Get you he-man. 150 miles tops, and only if it’s sunny, but not towards sun so it dazzles, always sun to side or rear for safely. So basically Wales and Cornwall in morning, Norfolk and Kent afternoon. Only then will the utter carnage we see on our roads daily end

robroy:

switchlogic:
I’m just glad for, (and benefiting from) Carryfast’s advice on how to do multi drops. :laughing:

That’s good. His advice on how to drive automatic’s and the ins and outs of European work have been a godsend to me. I’d have been lost without his wise words

cav551:

Carryfast:
[Why does he need to start at 7 am assuming one or two drops and tipped at Tooting by 12.30 either way ?.
Why does he need to get to Wrexham that same evening I’m not saying that’s going to happen.I’m saying close enough to finish the run early next morning ?.
How long do you think it takes to get from Erith to Wrexham. :confused:
So we’ve got around 15-6 hours total from loading up to arrival time take daily rest and break out of that.
I’m guessing that the guvnor isn’t planning on not taking a reduced daily rest period here.
I’m also guessing it can be more than 9 hours though.
I’m also guessing the 7 am arrival time isn’t set in stone.
I’m guessing something along the lines of Erith to Hilton Park services.
Then Hilton Park to Wrexham.
Break is obviously going to be wherever most convenient and according to the clock.
No one said tachos are easy to work with.

It could have been a 9 o’clock start or a 10 o’clock start with however many drops, it didn’t really matter, but now you’ve just made it so much easier with your insistence that he has a really late start.

So in that case he only had the 6/7 pallets to get rid of that day. We’ll start him at Cobham again at 11 o’clock this time with 1/2hr to ¾ hr to get to Tooting and the same 1.5hrs to Erith, so that’s 2 ¼ driving used and there’s been no need to take any breaks because of the late start.

Leave Erith at 3.30 pm so he must have 45 minutes by 5.45. He’s at Thurrock just before 4 having been on duty now for almost 5 hrs so it seems reasonable enough have a break now, it makes things simple because he’s got to have a WTD break by 5pm anyway which makes South Mimms just a little too far to make by 5 o’clock with any certainty.

4.45 leave Thurrock, we’ll forget about all the traffic around the area at that time of day and have him straight on the M25 at 4.45. According to AA route planner he’ll make the 160 miles to J3 M54 or the M54 services in 2hrs 40 minutes… er at 60 mph average speed (for a car.) That’ll be 7.25 and its 43 miles to go and 1 hr to Wrexham…… in a car.

Now let’s do that motorway section again when we aren’t in Cloud F**** cuckoo land. He’s not going to average 56 either so I’ll give you 53/54 and that’s generous. That means 3hrs give or take a minute or two. 7. 45pm and it’s still 43 miles and one hour to Wrexham . 8.45pm

You can put him in Hilton Park overnight if you like, he’ll do that in 2 ½ hrs at 60 mph average from Thurrock so 7.15. Restart in the morning at 06.15. Leave after vehicle checks at 0630 arrive Wrexham 07.45.

You can play around with the day as much as you like : get him away at 3 o’clock, but unless he takes his break while loading which we’ve already established isn’t happening because he can’t do it legally, it will always be as I said a ‘just’ manged to do it, with the potential for a lot of stress and concern about trying to maintain speed in heavy traffic. Without the 9 hrs overnight, which we had eliminated because no planner should assume it to be possible, it was always going to be difficult. The goal was 7 o’clock, we go with what we are given not make excuses. I’d try to do it, in a sensible manner, but I’d point out that success would be unlikely unless the booking time was put back. There is absolutely no way I’d be joining in the silly buggers nose to tail race. I’d be knocking back the speed limiter to around 53 in the busy sections to let them all pass me and have myself a relaxing drive.

Who knows we may have someone on here who does Wrexham to Dartford Tunnel regularly and can rubbish this.

Realistically Hilton Park is doable.He’s not going to run out of driving time getting there and it gets to Wrexham in the morning when it gets there.
It’ll be as near to 7am as makes no bleedin difference probably before 8 at least.No one is guaranteeing delivery to within 30 minutes over that distance.It’s going by road not helicopter remember.

I’m sure the driver is bright enough and has the balls to be able to tell ‘the planner’ it’ll be nearer to midday than 8 am when it gets there if he hasn’t got the hours to do it .

switchlogic:
That’s good. His advice on how to drive automatic’s and the ins and outs of European work have been a godsend to me. I’d have been lost without his wise words

I thought you was on the side of it being doable. :confused: :unamused: Although maybe not within + or - 2 minutes of the essential non negotiable, make or break, deal breaker 7 am deadline.:laughing:

switchlogic:
I do love how much thought and effort some have gone into over this theoretical job :smiley:

It’s clear that my thought and effort goes along the lines of it gets there when it gets there but some time in the morning ASAP would be good.

Carryfast:

switchlogic:
That’s good. His advice on how to drive automatic’s and the ins and outs of European work have been a godsend to me. I’d have been lost without his wise words

I thought you was on the side of it being doable. :confused: :unamused: Although maybe not within + or - 2 minutes of the essential non negotiable, make or break, deal breaker 7 am deadline.:laughing:

I spent most oh my career working for the Irish, anything is doable :wink:

switchlogic:
I spent most oh my career working for the Irish, anything is doable :wink:

I’m guessing ASAP in the morning is what’s mean’t by the ‘7am’ in this case.To be fair to cav even a Spitfire, or a V8 Scania, can’t be in two places at once. :smiling_imp: :laughing: