Hi,
As you all know the fuel price is going mad at the minute… We have a large ammount of waste cooking oil available to us free of charge, all good quality, settled then filtered into a 1000L ibc… Im buying the kit to make the biodiesel and when I sold 150L of our oil onto someone for processing he told me it made some excellent quality bio… Does anyone use this in their trucks? Im looking to do a permenant 50/50 mix of bio / normal diesel…
another advert trying to advertise for free. 
and dont try and argue about clever wording.
What exactly am I advertising? I no longer sell oil as its like rocking horse ■■■■ to get hold of for free… Why would I sell it when I can use it myself? All oil we collect is going to be processed into bio, For use in our own truck… I never have nor never will sell bio, The duty is too high for the work involved… I was simply asking if anyone uses bio in their trucks so I could ask what results they were having running on it… Hows that advertising?? Wind ya neck in!!!
If I wanted to advertise I would pay the going rate and put it in an advertising section…
Grow up…
yeah yeah seen it all before…
oh im trying this, and its great pm me for details.
jessicas dad:
yeah yeah seen it all before…oh im trying this, and its great pm me for details.
I was just trying to get accross that I will be using good quality oil thats all… Why would I sell it on when I can make bio for 15ppl? I did used to sell it, but not anymore… but I sold it through ebay…
I promise you, I have nothing to sell… I was just looking for info thats all…
Sorry if I offended anyone…
Shaunm41:
jessicas dad:
yeah yeah seen it all before…oh im trying this, and its great pm me for details.
I was just trying to get accross that I will be using good quality oil thats all… Why would I sell it on when I can make bio for 15ppl? I did used to sell it, but not anymore… but I sold it through ebay…
I promise you, I have nothing to sell… I was just looking for info thats all…
Sorry if I offended anyone…
ignore JD, i think he’s stopped taking the happy pills again 
An outfit I used to work for used it.
Man I tell you,sometimes you could still see the black chips in the bottom of the ibc.Even if it was good clean stuff I was changing filters on the side of the road.
A geezer by me used to run an old tractor on it and it eventually buggered the seals up around the valves,not by eating them but because it wasn’t burning clean it accumulated crud,pretty much like you see around the edge of fat fryer if it hasn’t been cleaned for a while.
Had a pull at Perry Barr once and the diesel dippers were in,they wanted to know where we got it from etc,not to look at prosecuting us but to make sure the chap selling it was registered and therefore paying the duty on it.
Tis a toughy,would I use it if I had my own kit…If the kit was old but would have to think twice with something decent chap.
Shaunm41:
jessicas dad:
yeah yeah seen it all before…oh im trying this, and its great pm me for details.
I was just trying to get accross that I will be using good quality oil thats all… Why would I sell it on when I can make bio for 15ppl? I did used to sell it, but not anymore… but I sold it through ebay…
I promise you, I have nothing to sell… I was just looking for info thats all…
Sorry if I offended anyone…
i apologise i was out of order. 
I’d say 50/50 is too much. You can add a much smaller percentage and you’ll probly still use all you have. Do a search for bio diesel in the search bar and you will see some horror stories. I’m sure it can be done succesfully but you need to be bloody careful or it can get bloody expensive (from what I’ve read) don’t have any 1st hand experience tbh.
we run trucks on full bio and semi bio ,the first thing that went pop was the night heaters,we now have little tanks on the back of the cab just for the night heaters that now run on red,apart from that we have not had any probs,but we have not seen any benefits either.
You all run on bio as all diesel sold in the UK is already bio.
Personally, and having worked for the largest waste cooking oil collector and processor in the UK. I would NOT use UCO unless it has been run through a tricounter. Those that do, can often be found urinating into their addblue tanks too.
Hi peeps, part of my job were I work is making bio diesel for the trucks we run, in that small fleet are Daf’s (XF & CF), Volvo FH460 & Iveco Stralis 430, 480 & 540 & all run just fine on bio diesel made exclusively from ‘transesterified’ UCO (used cooking oil)
Spacemonkeypg:
I would NOT use UCO unless it has been run through a tricounter.
1, it’s illegal to run a vehicle on UCO, it must first be converted into bio diesel (transesterification) which is (basicaly) the removal of the glycerine which is part of the structure of veg’ oil.
2, what’s a “tricounter”?
Even with “free oil” you cant make bio for 15ppl, it costs more like 22-25p in manufacturing costs & then there’s the duty to pay, not certain what it is since the last increase but prior to that it was 38ppl, (20p less than mineral diesel) this all changes in April when the 20p dispensation finishes and bio producers have to pay the full ammount.
All this talk about "bio diesel wrecked my pump/engine/valves is simply complete twoddle I’m affraid & that is simply a fact, not an opinion!! BADLY MADE OR FINISHED bio diesel can cause problems & any (neat) bio diesel used in a vehicle made before the early 90’s can harm any rubber seals in the fuel system, later engines use viton or ‘ptfe’ which can’t be harmed by bio fuel.
Ross.
If anyone has any genuine questions about bio diesel feel free to ask on here, it’s not rocket science, but it’s very easy to get it wrong.
BTW, the black ‘toffee like’ substance that you’l find around the valves, valve stems, seats etc is the glycerine that SHOULD have been removed during the manufacturing process, this is usually the result of running an engine on UCO or ‘very dodgy’ bio, where the UCO has only been thinned with a (usually 2nd hand) commercial solvent to thin it a bit.
I did hear of just such a solvent that comes out of Sonae in Kirkby, a very nasty & harmfull product that should never come into contact with human skin!! Such is tha nature of the ‘get rich quick’ brigade who saw the bio fuel industry as a way to do a ‘bodge it & scarper’, one such firm was selling their ‘bio’ to at least 3 petrol stations around the city leaving a trail of broken down cars & taxi’s all over Merseyside.
No wonder bio diesel has such a bad name, our trucks are serviced on precicely the same schedule ar mineral fueled trucks, needing no further attention to the engines or filters!! Only M11 420 ■■■■■■■ engines in two of the Foden Alpha’s we used to run showing problems due to the slightly greater viscosity, (we believe) even this wasn’t ‘all the time’ so could have been due to underlying problems as the other one never had any dificulties!! Go figure!!
Ross.
bigr250:
Hi peeps, part of my job were I work is making bio diesel for the trucks we run, in that small fleet are Daf’s (XF & CF), Volvo FH460 & Iveco Stralis 430, 480 & 540 & all run just fine on bio diesel made exclusively from ‘transesterified’ UCO (used cooking oil)Spacemonkeypg:
I would NOT use UCO unless it has been run through a tricounter.1, it’s illegal to run a vehicle on UCO, it must first be converted into bio diesel (transesterification) which is (basicaly) the removal of the glycerine which is part of the structure of veg’ oil.
2, what’s a “tricounter”?Even with “free oil” you cant make bio for 15ppl, it costs more like 22-25p in manufacturing costs & then there’s the duty to pay, not certain what it is since the last increase but prior to that it was 38ppl, (20p less than mineral diesel) this all changes in April when the 20p dispensation finishes and bio producers have to pay the full ammount.
All this talk about "bio diesel wrecked my pump/engine/valves is simply complete twoddle I’m affraid & that is simply a fact, not an opinion!! BADLY MADE OR FINISHED bio diesel can cause problems & any (neat) bio diesel used in a vehicle made before the early 90’s can harm any rubber seals in the fuel system, later engines use viton or ‘ptfe’ which can’t be harmed by bio fuel.
Ross.
If anyone has any genuine questions about bio diesel feel free to ask on here, it’s not rocket science, but it’s very easy to get it wrong.
A tri counter is a device designed, in different methods magnetic or centrifugal to separate a, or an amount of substances from the input product. In this instance UCO would f.e. be separated from liquid contaminates and solids.
There is no statute, that i am aware of pertaining to running a vehicle on ■■■■/Soya or derrived oil being illegal. There are allowed limits to which you can use such before taxation comes into place if this was your meaning?
Spacemonkeypg:
A tri counter is a device designed, in different methods magnetic or centrifugal to separate a, or an amount of substances from the input product. In this instance UCO would f.e. be separated from liquid contaminates and solids.
Right, never heard of one of them but it sounds like it would only be of any use if you wanted to run on UCO as solids would be removed by filtration which (in our process) takes place before pre-heating in our water seperation tank, all of this before the oil gets near the reactor.
Spacemonkeypg:
There is no statute, that i am aware of pertaining to running a vehicle on ■■■■/Soya or derrived oil being illegal. There are allowed limits to which you can use such before taxation comes into place if this was your meaning?
There is actually, irrespective of ammounts used. The ‘duty break’ of 20p is only for bio fuel that has been through the transesterification process, and in fact, should be 92% or higher on an ‘ester break’ test. Without passing this test any liquid used as road fuel should have had FULL fuel duty paid before it goes in your truck, so if you want to run your truck on neat chip fat you must first pay 58ppl on every litre you put in your tank, or risk having that truck seized be HMRC.
Ross.
Right, never heard of one of them but it sounds like it would only be of any use if you wanted to run on UCO as solids would be removed by filtration which (in our process) takes place before pre-heating in our water seperation tank, all of this before the oil gets near the reactor.
All in all it is a higher volume production method, i’m sure you are pretty much aware of who i work, and the volumes for which we process. It is a process place prior to solvolysis or transesterification. The processing ins and outs of bio are not of anyone’s interest nor benefit on this forum to be honest, but.
There is actually, irrespective of ammounts used.
customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPort … 05#P14_704
2.4 Brings you to the amount in litres
The ‘duty break’ of 20p is only for bio fuel that has been through the transesterification process, and in fact, should be 92% or higher on an ‘ester break’ test
This is only partly correct. 96.5% is the correct figure in relation to weight. But and this is a big but what is regarded by most here as bio is in fact correctly named blend, as you are aware. This i am sure is also mentioned in the HMRC guidance notes linked above
Spacemonkey:
customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPort … 05#P14_7042.4 Brings you to the amount in litres
This derrogation can be of no interest to the OP as it referes to ‘home producers’ making no more than 2,500l’s per year, and then not for commercial use.
Spacemonkey:
This is only partly correct. 96.5% is the correct figure in relation to weight. But and this is a big but what is regarded by most here as bio is in fact correctly named blend, as you are aware. This i am sure is also mentioned in the HMRC guidance notes linked above
Absolutely, but HMRC very quickly found that only 1 company in the UK was able to produce anywhere near that figure so quickly decided to accept anything over 92%, this from ‘the horses mouth’, (The Blackburn hippy!!) because, in his own words, “it shows they’ve made an effort”!!
Ross.
Spacemonkeypg:
You all run on bio as all diesel sold in the UK is already bio.
I think that is a bit of a misleading statement.
My understanding is that (by volume) 5% of what we fill up with at the pumps is bio and the other 95% is conventional diesel.
Paul
repton:
Spacemonkeypg:
You all run on bio as all diesel sold in the UK is already bio.I think that is a bit of a misleading statement.
My understanding is that (by volume) 5% of what we fill up with at the pumps is bio and the other 95% is conventional diesel.
Paul
Absolutely Paul, I think it was most likely a ‘typo’ by Spacemonkeypg as he is clearly connected to the industry so will clearly know the ammount of bio in ‘pump fuel’. BTW, this is a minimum set by the government, a minimum that is soon to be increased to 12% or more I think.
Ross.