No way will his name never come out, too many people know who he is and who the crew members are. Workmates, neighbours, friends, hospital staff all know their identity and in this day and age it won’t remain a secret.
The council are his EMPLOYER, not the law enforcement authority. Would anyone on here expect their employer to name you to the press if you were involved in a road accident unless you said you wished to be?
Also, the police are still investigating the incident to submit a report to the fiscal. While that investigation is ongoing the press are not allowed to name anyone who may be the subject of that investigation.
If the PF decides that anyone should be subject to charges then their identity will be made public.
Also, the identity of anyone giving evidence to a criminal trial or a fatal accident inquiry (and the latter is likely if there are no charges brought) is normally a matter of public record unless there are reasons to protect witnesses.
So there is no conspiracy going on, the police are still investigating and the council, as the men’s employer, have no reason to name those involved.
Juddian:
moomooland:
The identity of the driver of the bin lorry that killed six people when it crashed in Glasgow city center will be protected indefinitely, the local authority has said.Full article here in The Scotsman
Now that is interesting, what’s to hide?
Move along now nothing to see here, or is there something they don’t want the general public, or more specifically, the electorate, to know about?
I dont think its neccesserily anything sinister. Its maybe just because feelings are still quite high here in Glasgow. There have been reports of bin men attacked in some areas. This shows the mentality of some people so can you imagine if the drivers name was released at the moment? Him and His family would be in danger. Mob mentality is a dangerous human trait. Maybe that’s the reason.
I thought the law would fine the employer - if they attemped to conceal a driver’s name involved in a collision… especially a collision with fatal consequences such as this one.
This really has become political now - hasn’t it?
If that driver had been me, I would have fallen upon the goodwill of the local population by this point, rather than hide under a rock for the rest of my life.
As for the idea of the name coming out anyways… Maybe it will. It won’t be picked up by the press and media though, since I suspect all the supression is down to it being considered “UKIP supportive” (load of ■■■■■■■■ of course!) to say anything detrimental about the communication breakdowns that occur each and every day as a result of having poor-English-speaking staff.
The Daily Wail might have picked up the name, and printed it - but they don’t support UKIP either, so this entire story seems likely to go quietly into the night - and we’re all moved on.
The highlighted bit above - could be perceived as a massively “Unsafe working practice” by the HSE - IF they ever get their teeth into this themselves. “Better to supress it now then” local government is thinking, before local politicians and councellors alike start losing seats over all the wrangling.
The City just wants to mourn, and learn the lessons that’ll save future lives. Let those lessons be learned!
The-Snowman:
Juddian:
moomooland:
The identity of the driver of the bin lorry that killed six people when it crashed in Glasgow city center will be protected indefinitely, the local authority has said.Full article here in The Scotsman
Now that is interesting, what’s to hide?
Move along now nothing to see here, or is there something they don’t want the general public, or more specifically, the electorate, to know about?
I dont think its neccesserily anything sinister. Its maybe just because feelings are still quite high here in Glasgow. There have been reports of bin men attacked in some areas. This shows the mentality of some people so can you imagine if the drivers name was released at the moment? Him and His family would be in danger. Mob mentality is a dangerous human trait. Maybe that’s the reason.
We’ll see, personally i trust our leaders and apparent betters about as far as i can throw 'em, most of them couldn’t walk a straight line unless it’s to the expenses office.
Winseer:
I thought the law would fine the employer - if they attemped to conceal a driver’s name involved in a collision… especially a collision with fatal consequences such as this one.This really has become political now - hasn’t it?
If that driver had been me, I would have fallen upon the goodwill of the local population by this point, rather than hide under a rock for the rest of my life.
As for the idea of the name coming out anyways… Maybe it will. It won’t be picked up by the press and media though, since I suspect all the supression is down to it being considered “UKIP supportive” (load of ■■■■■■■■ of course!) to say anything detrimental about the communication breakdowns that occur each and every day as a result of having poor-English-speaking staff.
The Daily Wail might have picked up the name, and printed it - but they don’t support UKIP either, so this entire story seems likely to go quietly into the night - and we’re all moved on.
The highlighted bit above - could be perceived as a massively “Unsafe working practice” by the HSE - IF they ever get their teeth into this themselves. “Better to supress it now then” local government is thinking, before local politicians and councellors alike start losing seats over all the wrangling.
The City just wants to mourn, and learn the lessons that’ll save future lives. Let those lessons be learned!
You need to get a hobby as you clearly have an overreactive imagination. How on earth can you reach that conclusion just because they haven’t released a name.
Winseer:
If that driver had been me, I would have fallen upon the goodwill of the local population by this point, rather than hide under a rock for the rest of my life.
See my quote about bin men being attacked. Its terrible it has to be like that.
Winseer:
Maybe it will. It won’t be picked up by the press and media though, since I suspect all the supression is down to it being considered “UKIP supportive” (load of ■■■■■■■■ of course!) to say anything detrimental about the communication breakdowns that occur each and every day as a result of having poor-English-speaking staff.The Daily Wail might have picked up the name, and printed it - but they don’t support UKIP either, so this entire story seems likely to go quietly into the night - and we’re all moved on.
Eh? Have I missed a bit of the story? Whats UKIP got to do with it?
Juddian:
We’ll see, personally i trust our leaders and apparent betters about as far as i can throw 'em, most of them couldn’t walk a straight line unless it’s to the expenses office.
I dont even trust them that far. Im not saying theres definitely nothing sinister,just that it seems as likely to do with the drivers personal safety as anything else
Winseer:
I thought the law would fine the employer - if they attemped to conceal a driver’s name involved in a collision… especially a collision with fatal consequences such as this one.
What are you talking about? The police know who the driver is and at this point they are the only ones that need to know.
m1cks:
Winseer:
I thought the law would fine the employer - if they attemped to conceal a driver’s name involved in a collision… especially a collision with fatal consequences such as this one.This really has become political now - hasn’t it?
If that driver had been me, I would have fallen upon the goodwill of the local population by this point, rather than hide under a rock for the rest of my life.
As for the idea of the name coming out anyways… Maybe it will. It won’t be picked up by the press and media though, since I suspect all the supression is down to it being considered “UKIP supportive” (load of ■■■■■■■■ of course!) to say anything detrimental about the communication breakdowns that occur each and every day as a result of having poor-English-speaking staff.
The Daily Wail might have picked up the name, and printed it - but they don’t support UKIP either, so this entire story seems likely to go quietly into the night - and we’re all moved on.
The highlighted bit above - could be perceived as a massively “Unsafe working practice” by the HSE - IF they ever get their teeth into this themselves. “Better to supress it now then” local government is thinking, before local politicians and councellors alike start losing seats over all the wrangling.
The City just wants to mourn, and learn the lessons that’ll save future lives. Let those lessons be learned!You need to get a hobby as you clearly have an overreactive imagination. How on earth can you reach that conclusion just because they haven’t released a name.
I’m a BSc in Conspiracy theory. 
I thought everyone with over 1000 posts knew that…
Thing is, the politicians rely on the vast majority of people having “not enough imagination” - in order for them to constantly try on all these political moves upon the public at all times.
“You can fool some of the people all the time, and all the people some of the time - but never all the people all the time.”
A Lincoln
The-Snowman:
Eh? Have I missed a bit of the story? Whats UKIP got to do with it?
Is Winseer the new Carryfast?
His posts have always been boring… but now they’re complete nonsense as well.
Maybe he’s just had too much Christmas spirit tonight.
Contraflow:
The-Snowman:
Eh? Have I missed a bit of the story? Whats UKIP got to do with it?Is Winseer the new Carryfast?
His posts have always been boring… but now they’re complete nonsense as well.
Maybe he’s just had too much Christmas spirit tonight.
UKIP have got nothing to do with it. I even said the connection was a load of ■■■■■■■■.
Yes, you have missed the bit of the story - the bit I actually typed… 
Winseer:
Yes, you have missed the bit of the story - the bit I actually typed…
What you typed didnt make a lot of sense. It was almost rambling. I wondered what UKIP had to do with it. You brought them up. I only wanted to know what they had to do with this whole thing about the drivers name not being released.
Ian58:
Winseer:
I thought the law would fine the employer - if they attemped to conceal a driver’s name involved in a collision… especially a collision with fatal consequences such as this one.What are you talking about? The police know who the driver is and at this point they are the only ones that need to know.
Why isn’t the driver under police guard in hospital then?
It’s a bit rich for the law to be making the decision without the public being involved at all…
“Lawful judgement of their peers” would be the correct process here. Were we not all told fairly recently that “There’s no such thing as an accident - only a “collision” for which someone is culpable by deed, neglect or both”?
If any of us killed someone - even if 100% “by accident” - the courts would argue over “how long the custodial sentence should be” as a starting reference. Sure, a few get off entirely, but there is this thing - due process - that is supposed to be applied equally to all. This entire “investigation” seems to be setting a rather alarming precedent here…
The-Snowman:
Winseer:
Yes, you have missed the bit of the story - the bit I actually typed…What you typed didnt make a lot of sense. It was almost rambling. I wondered what UKIP had to do with it. You brought them up. I only wanted to know what they had to do with this whole thing about the drivers name not being released.
Why would any local policitian be worried about “naming someone who might make political capital for an opposing party”?
The very tenuous connection to UKIP therefore is “The party that would most likely bang on about it, if it’s proven to be a minimum-waged over-houred immigrant cutting corners on H&S” doing the job."
I say this connection is “very tenuous” because UKIP are absolutely NOWHERE in Scotland, so you could make Farage the second coming - and people up there still won’t be voting UKIP.
Anyone who nobbles a rank outsider in a race, putting their own integrity at risk, and thus losing their seats because of that - is daft beyond dumb. 
Winseer:
I thought the law would fine the employer - if they attemped to conceal a driver’s name involved in a collision… especially a collision with fatal consequences such as this one.
What ■■■■■ are you talking about? The employer (Glasgow City Council) aren’t concealing anyone’s identity - the police know everyone involved and are currently conducting an investigation - they are simply not releasing the names of their employees to the media, which they have no obligation to do and would be a breach of the employees privacy (and break the law under DPA) to do so without their consent.
Right now the police are still investigating and it is a criminal offence for the press to name any living person that is subject of a report to the procurator fiscal until reporting restrictions are lifted, which is usually when someone is charged with an offence or it is decided to take no action.
So while the driver is still subject to an ongoing investigation and hasn’t been charged the press cannot publish his name, whether they know it or not. And there is no reason that GCC, as their employer, should be naming the other occupants of the vehicle either.
Winseer:
The-Snowman:
Winseer:
Yes, you have missed the bit of the story - the bit I actually typed…What you typed didnt make a lot of sense. It was almost rambling. I wondered what UKIP had to do with it. You brought them up. I only wanted to know what they had to do with this whole thing about the drivers name not being released.
Why would any local policitian be worried about “naming someone who might make political capital for an opposing party”?
The very tenuous connection to UKIP therefore is “The party that would most likely bang on about it, if it’s proven to be a minimum-waged over-houred immigrant cutting corners on H&S” doing the job."
I say this connection is “very tenuous” because UKIP are absolutely NOWHERE in Scotland, so you could make Farage the second coming - and people up there still won’t be voting UKIP.
Anyone who nobbles a rank outsider in a race, putting their own integrity at risk, and thus losing their seats because of that - is daft beyond dumb.
I’m going to work on the assumption you have been drinking
Glen A9:
Right now the police are still investigating and it is a criminal offence for the press to name any living person that is subject of a report to the procurator fiscal until reporting restrictions are lifted
I dont think he’s going to let a little thing like the way the law works get in the way of a good conspiracy
I’m not sure I buy the argument the other guys wouldn’t know what the handbrake lever did.
When I was younger, by seven or eight I’d worked out all the major car controls by watching my dad. It seems inconceivable these blokes, with not much to do in the cab except chat between collections, wouldn’t know what that funny lever thing was the driver kept using at traffic lights etc!
I keep thinking of how I would react to this crash. The lorry took what was it? Twenty seconds to make the journey from initial impact (God help them) to the hotel.
I’d have been on that bloody handbrake probably as soon as I realised something was up, hopefully before the first impact, if sadly not, straight after.
The truck did next to no damage to the hotel it would have took no more than 10 seconds from start to finish so what slowed it down a crew member ? The ph that the truck pushed about 20-30 feet ?
So what took the crew member so long let’s see 2-3 seconds WTF moments
Say another 1-2 seconds getting belt off then standing and stretching reaching for the lever as the crew seats are set back against the back wall a couple of feet behind the driver midway trying to get the lever truck hits ph crew member loses balance before applying brake
Or crew members froze in fright then when truck hits ph it knocks drivers foot off accelerator and truck slows down as it pushing the ph until it tests against hotel .
Both scenarios are perfectly plausible as is 1 saying road rage that went terribly beyond anyone’s imagination .
Whatever it was its very very sad .
Meanwhile, Glasgow City Council said it would never release the names of the driver or the other two employees who were in the vehicle when it crashed.
According to council insiders, bin lorry crews have been given lessons since the tragedy on how to stop vehicles in an emergency.
The training sessions were allegedly given for refuse workers who do not normally drive. A local authority source told The Sunday Post that if they had pulled a handbrake on the dashboard it would have stopped the lorry.
Presumably identities protected in case of reprisals but, have to admit, it’s at the back of my mind that they might be no speakies english or something else that wouldn’t play well in the current atmosphere.
It’s surprising this doesn’t happen more often with the torque converter car style gearboxes in a lot of bin lorries and buses as with grandma and shop windows in her Nissan Micra auto. If this was a private company they’d be getting the risk assessment book thrown at them.
Don’t get the Twitter outrage thing Frankie Boyle’s said far worse without plod racing to the stage door with blues and twos.