Own Account Driver:
You have quoted me but they aren’t what I have posted.
Sorry dude, I ballsed up the quotes.
Fixed
animal:
As I said earlier I had a low speed low impact accident done a lot of damage yep to extent life changing mate had a high speed accident he walked away with dented prideSo can someone please explain this as most say speed was a factor & if he had been going slower the outcome different
Was it a life changing head injury that you suffered?
Can you count to potato?
Contraflow:
animal:
As I said earlier I had a low speed low impact accident done a lot of damage yep to extent life changing mate had a high speed accident he walked away with dented prideSo can someone please explain this as most say speed was a factor & if he had been going slower the outcome different
Was it a life changing head injury that you suffered?
Can you count to potato?
No back 30 pills a day for none or wheelchair
dri-diddly-iver:
Truckulent:
pointless requotes (6 I think)I think your opinions are not warranted in this instance. You are a self opinionated bigot who has no feeling or regard for the death that has occurred.
What he should have or shouldn’t have done…etc etc - is totally irrelevant!!
The car made a bad judgement and is totally to blame regardless of the speed of the motorcyclist.
He should be driving slower, he should have anticipated it, junction ahead etc etc! If the car turning right had done this then he would still be alive!!
I spend all day thinking and driving for other people and avoid accidents regularly
people like you
I’ll not complete the sentence because I’ll get told off
My opinions are as valid as yours. In fact, from your comments, I’d say they are far more valid than yours, because you clearly do not know anything about riding a motorcycle.
If he’d had the slightest clue what he was doing he wouldn’t be dead now in all likely hood! If you really think the motorcyclist here was totally blameless, then you have much to learn about the business of riding a motorcycle, and indeed driving in general.
The car should not have turned right. But the biker was travelling at a speed far in excess of what he should have been. He was partly responsible for his own death, sad as that may be.
I am a biker myself with 20 odd years riding experience/advanced training and ex instructor… I have every sympathy with motorcyclists as a rule, especially when an idiot in a car doesn’t see them. But I am not going pretend the motorcyclist here was blameless, because he clearly wasn’t.
You sir, are clearly unable to realise that as a biker you are VULNERABLE. Having the right of way DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT DOESN’T HURT WHEN IT GOES WRONG!!!
Oh, and you need to look up the meaning of the word ‘bigot’.
animal:
Contraflow:
animal:
As I said earlier I had a low speed low impact accident done a lot of damage yep to extent life changing mate had a high speed accident he walked away with dented prideSo can someone please explain this as most say speed was a factor & if he had been going slower the outcome different
Was it a life changing head injury that you suffered?
Can you count to potato?
No back 30 pills a day for none or wheelchair
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
What is the square root of potato?
Gembo:
Left hand down!:
Unlikely survivable at those speeds or without life changing injuries such that his family’s life would still be just as ruinous.An excellent attitude! So [zb] it then, all speed limits are a waist of bloody time folks, lets all just hare about at a ton and be done with it eh seeing as though by your reckoning, should we be doing the speed limit and hit some pillock in a car we’ll all be screwed anycase!
You do like to blow what people say out of all proportion don’t you. A head-on impact on a motorbike with another solid object at any relatively high speed is never going to end well. The outcome is more than likely going to be the same at 60mph or 97mph. You will note (or maybe you won’t, given your frothing so far) that nowhere have I said that speed limits are a “waist[sic] of bloody time” but I believe that in this particular case his speed was largely irrelevant because the car driver said he could not see him nor the car immediately behind the biker[/b] which looks to me like he was travelling at or near the speed limit for the road.
Consider that last bit for a few seconds and now tell me that the collision still would not have happened at 60mph like you keep saying. And “he would have got to the same point 10 seconds later” is not a valid argument because there’s every possibility that the oncoming car driver could’ve been held up for 10 seconds by a Micra/truck/cyclist/etc.
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> > Doesn’t contradict anything, it’s a simple fact that under normal circumstances you are going to greatly reduce your chances of a collision if you adopt some anticipation to others’ behaviour.
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> So does that not also include driving at an appropriate speed according to prevailing roads conditions then?
> I think you missed the point I was trying to get across. You said -
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> > The argument posted that if he’d been doing the speed limit or less it wouldn’t have happened is weak to non-existent
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> > The biker of course should have anticipated the possibility of the car turning and adjusted his speed such that he’d have given himself time to react - which he did not - so some of the blame rests with himself
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> If that’s not contradicting yaself, I don’t know what is! 
If you’re going to doctor other people’s quotes to fit your argument then it will look like a contradiction.
I actually wrote :
> The argument posted that if he’d been doing the speed limit or less it wouldn’t have happened is weak to non-existent simply by the fact that the car driver admitted to not even being able to see the car following him so he’d have still turned across him regardless.[/b]
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> That is a separate issue altogether from expecting a driver to ease off/slow down/anticipate another driver doing something retarded at a junction.
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> > > Stupid argument. It’s entirely possible that the next car to turn right when he got there some time later could’ve done the exact same thing, could it not? 
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> > Quite but it would also be highly likely that the biker would have met some one at the junction who could drive properly in the first place and who looks twice instead of a quick casual glance.
> Straw man argument. Not even going to bother.
Quite obviously the biker at fault. Excessive speed. Perhaps bikers can have an advertising campaign “Think other road users”. Only yesterday a biker overtook me pulling a wheely coming up to a bend on a 30 mph road.
dri-diddly-iver:
Truckulent:
pointless requotes (6 I think)I think your opinions are not warranted in this instance. You are a self opinionated bigot who has no feeling or regard for the death that has occurred.
What he should have or shouldn’t have done…etc etc - is totally irrelevant!!
He should be driving slower, he should have anticipated it, junction ahead etc etc! If the car turning right had done this then he would still be alive!!
I spend all day thinking and driving for other people and avoid accidents regularly
Although I might not have put it in the same terms the biker is not beyond criticism, in my view, and if this was how he regularly rode it was below a standard I would approve of but we all have to admit we all have our moments of driving too fast or risky overtaking.
I believe it was around going home time and there could have been kids being dropped off from school buses crossing the road or anything.
This sums up motorcyclists for me.
Some on here will say it was the red Audi’s fault for having the temerity to be parked at the side of the road though.
Contraflow:
This sums up motorcyclists for me.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUsrAV0VWsU
Some on here will say it was the red Audi’s fault for having the temerity to be parked at the side of the road though.
No, he was a tool.
But how many truck roll over pics have we seen on here recently? And trucks stuck under bridges… and truck drivers ‘arrested at the scene’ ?
For me, that sums up truck drivers. Not a clue how to drive!
If the cap fits…
Truckulent:
My opinions are as valid as yours. In fact, from your comments, I’d say they are far more valid than yours, because you clearly do not know anything about riding a motorcycle.
I rode a motorcycle for many years and was part of a chapter.The car should not have turned right. But the biker was travelling at a speed far in excess of what he should have been. He was partly responsible for his own death, sad as that may be.
I agree - partly - the car shouldn’t have turned rightYou sir,I am not a sir and actually take offence with it
I haven’t the time nor inclination to go into a battle of wits with you about this. The fact is a motorcyclist was killed by a car that clearly turned right when it wasn’t safe to do so - much like a green traffic light…you have right of way but only if it’s clear!
Oh!! afterthought which I was going to ignore…
Bigot - a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own - just a comment (noun by the way).
The end for me 
Left hand down!:
The outcome is more than likely going to be the same at 60mph or 97mph.
Don’t think Ive ever heard so much crap in all my life!
Left hand down!:
If you’re going to doctor other people’s quotes to fit your argument then it will look like a contradiction.
I didn’t, all I did was copy and paste your contradictory post word for word, you wrote it, not me!
Truckulent:
Tarmac duck:
Wow you really are a judgemental person. How can you speak like that ?Not really. Judgemental is overly critical. I just stated what happened and what he did wrong.
Would you like to defend his riding ability? The fact he was killed is very sad, but does not alter the fact he was very, very stupid.
truckulent is only saying what a vast majority are thinking,
very shocking and very sad too
truckman020:
truckulent is only saying what a vast majority are thinking,
Really 
dri-diddly-iver:
Truckulent:
My opinions are as valid as yours. In fact, from your comments, I’d say they are far more valid than yours, because you clearly do not know anything about riding a motorcycle.
I rode a motorcycle for many years and was part of a chapter.The car should not have turned right. But the biker was travelling at a speed far in excess of what he should have been. He was partly responsible for his own death, sad as that may be.
I agree - partly - the car shouldn’t have turned rightYou sir,I am not a sir and actually take offence with it
I haven’t the time nor inclination to go into a battle of wits with you about this. The fact is a motorcyclist was killed by a car that clearly turned right when it wasn’t safe to do so - much like a green traffic light…you have right of way but only if it’s clear!
I don’t blame you. because in a battle of wits, you will lose.
Indeed. You would proceed at a green light if it’s clear. And if it had been clear, he wouldn’t have hit the car. It wasn’t and he did. The biker had the right of way, but just as with a green light if there’s a vehicle in the way, you still give way. You don’t plough on regardless. If you do you hit it! If you always assume everyone on the road will do as they should and never make a mistake, you are going to have an accident sooner or later!Oh!! afterthought which I was going to ignore…
Bigot - a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own - just a comment (noun by the way).
Almost - someone who is unfairly intolerant of others’ ideas. Not the same thing at all. I merely apportioned some blame to the motorcyclist given his complete lack of observational ability and (highly illegal) excessive speed.
The end for me
Thank goodness!
If Chas (captain of industry) hadn’t died, he’d be on here right now saying that there’s an illness associated with having to have the last word.
dri-diddly-iver:
truckman020:
truckulent is only saying what a vast majority are thinking,Really
Well call me old fashioned but I too think that riding at 100 mph coming upto a junction on SC road is just a tad daft.
Also putting ones faith into dozzy car drivers not to do something stupid may also be a little bit stupid.
He signed his own death warrant end of.
Contraflow:
If Chas (captain of industry) hadn’t died, he’d be on here right now saying that there’s an illness associated with having to have the last word.
When talking stops, you get war!! 
Contraflow:
Roymondo:
No idea - but it’s the relative absence of mass which makes bikes fun to ride quickly (and applied in reverse, is part of the reason why trucks are subject to lower speed limits than cars). Applying the same principles should result in bikes being subject to higher speed limits than cars (i.e. it takes less to stop them, and they do less damage when they hit something). Plus of course when the excrement hits the rotational ventilation equipment, they can squeeze through much smaller gaps.So, if London cyclists could somehow self propel their way to 100mph+ on their 10kg lumps of metal and rubber, you’d be cool with that then?
■■■■■ please.
I didn’t say it was acceptable or that I was “cool with it” - I was simply answering the specific “serious question” that you posed. Only now it appears it wasn’t such a serious question after all.