Looks like the tactical voting didn’t work this time. They can’t afford to do it this afternoon, or they risk eliminating Boris. I think if Hunt goes through Boris will be PM, anybody’s guess if Gove goes through
OVLOV JAY:
Looks like the tactical voting didn’t work this time. They can’t afford to do it this afternoon, or they risk eliminating Boris. I think if Hunt goes through Boris will be PM, anybody’s guess if Gove goes through
There’s 34 remain voters that have to decide which of the 2 underdogs to vote for next, I don’t think they’ll chose Gove and definitely not BoJo, so it looks like Hunt. Best BoJo phone a removal company looks like he’s going to need it.
Grumpy Dad:
OVLOV JAY:
Looks like the tactical voting didn’t work this time. They can’t afford to do it this afternoon, or they risk eliminating Boris. I think if Hunt goes through Boris will be PM, anybody’s guess if Gove goes throughThere’s 34 remain voters that have to decide which of the 2 underdogs to vote for next, I don’t think they’ll chose Gove and definitely not BoJo, so it looks like Hunt. Best BoJo phone a removal company looks like he’s going to need it.
If he moved into No Ten, would it worth his while unpacking I wonder?
He may be there for a few years? Or if he performs true to form he’ll be gone before Christmas!
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That’s not a prediction, by the way, nor even a wish.
We need something better from our Governments. More …dunno…
…‘strong and stable’ maybe?
Franglais:
Grumpy Dad:
OVLOV JAY:
Looks like the tactical voting didn’t work this time. They can’t afford to do it this afternoon, or they risk eliminating Boris. I think if Hunt goes through Boris will be PM, anybody’s guess if Gove goes throughThere’s 34 remain voters that have to decide which of the 2 underdogs to vote for next, I don’t think they’ll chose Gove and definitely not BoJo, so it looks like Hunt. Best BoJo phone a removal company looks like he’s going to need it.
If he moved into No Ten, would it worth his while unpacking I wonder?
He may be there for a few years? Or if he performs true to form he’ll be gone before Christmas!
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That’s not a prediction, by the way, nor even a wish.
We need something better from our Governments. More …dunno…
…‘strong and stable’ maybe?
Some may like him, some may not, and there’s loads that can’t stand him, and yes he’s got a chequered past but haven’t all MP’s ?
Look at Gove, he’s nothing more than a snivelling nuct and a backstabbing one at that, I don’t believe for one second he’s snorted anything other than the power trail that leads to No10, he admitted to doing it once to be in with the crowd.
I like BoJo ok so he’s not very well articulated for an educated man, he gives the impression of being ■■■■■■■■■■■ his zip wire promo for Brexit wasn’t his best accolade, probably his most remembered, but he’s the only one of all the candidates from the moment Cameron threw his limbless teddy in the corner, who hasn’t changed his stance. But it’s not the cabinet who will elect him, it’s the party members, and here lays the problem, the party are very much divided on Brexit, and for one reason or another people have changed sides, there’s still the possibility of the members electing Hunt, who will fail to deliver and probably force a GE.
OVLOV JAY:
The trouble is, he is the only one with a successful track record in high office, ie as London Mayor. I don’t have any faith in any politician to be PM, but he was a successful Mayor. Best of a bad bunch for me
What successful record is this?
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Crime particularly homicide fell whilst he was Mayor.
It started falling before he took office and continued under him, but started to rise before he left. It fell in London more than in the rest of the UK.
2008…155
2014…94
2016… 109
Don’t his supporters talk of a 50% reduction? I can’t see it.
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Knife crime in London fell marginally.
2008/9…9935
2015/6…9738
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Road deaths in London fell by 43%.
Very good. Better than the 29% fall in the UK as a whole.
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He presided over the Olympics.
Set up largely by central Gov and Ken Livingston. He had every chance to ■■■■ that up, but didn’t.
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He was there for the introduction of Boris Bikes.
Good scheme, with it’s roots in the 2007 Livingston Mayoralty.
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He had faith in the police.
As he initially trusted them to deal with the 2011 riots alone, and continued his holidays…until he got a bad press, and came back.
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Heathrow?
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London Garden Bridge?
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Since these days of heady success he has been Foreign Secretary…
He can’t be held responsible for London Bridge, security services are the responsibility of the Home Secretary not Foreign Secretary, and it was the failings of the security services for not flagging those involved as a higher threat.
Charles Clark was Home Secretary in 2005 is he responsible for the 7/7 attacks ?
Franglais:
OVLOV JAY:
The trouble is, he is the only one with a successful track record in high office, ie as London Mayor. I don’t have any faith in any politician to be PM, but he was a successful Mayor. Best of a bad bunch for meWhat successful record is this?
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Crime particularly homicide fell whilst he was Mayor.
It started falling before he took office and continued under him, but started to rise before he left. It fell in London more than in the rest of the UK.
2008…155
2014…94
2016… 109
Don’t his supporters talk of a 50% reduction? I can’t see it.
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Knife crime in London fell marginally.
2008/9…9935
2015/6…9738
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Road deaths in London fell by 43%.
Very good. Better than the 29% fall in the UK as a whole.
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He presided over the Olympics.
Set up largely by central Gov and Ken Livingston. He had every chance to ■■■■ that up, but didn’t.
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He was there for the introduction of Boris Bikes.
Good scheme, with it’s roots in the 2007 Livingston Mayoralty.
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He had faith in the police.
As he initially trusted them to deal with the 2011 riots alone, and continued his holidays…until he got a bad press, and came back.
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Heathrow?
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London Garden Bridge?
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Since these days of heady success he has been Foreign Secretary…
I think you contradicted your argument by listing all the figures. Reducing crime and road deaths were a success, however small. Yes he wasted money on the garden bridge, but it was Kahn that pulled the plug and actually made that money a waste. Somehow I think you’d be critical of him if he scraps hs2, he’ll be criticised for wasting the to date investment. The truth is, if you despise someone enough, you’ll be subjective in your criticism. Best get practicing, as the one person left in the race now is much more universally despised
Grumpy Dad:
He can’t be held responsible for London Bridge, security services are the responsibility of the Home Secretary not Foreign Secretary, and it was the failings of the security services for not flagging those involved as a higher threat.
Charles Clark was Home Secretary in 2005 is he responsible for the 7/7 attacks ?
London GARDEN Bridge.
OVLOV JAY:
Franglais:
OVLOV JAY:
The trouble is, he is the only one with a successful track record in high office, ie as London Mayor. I don’t have any faith in any politician to be PM, but he was a successful Mayor. Best of a bad bunch for meWhat successful record is this?
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Crime particularly homicide fell whilst he was Mayor.
It started falling before he took office and continued under him, but started to rise before he left. It fell in London more than in the rest of the UK.
2008…155
2014…94
2016… 109
Don’t his supporters talk of a 50% reduction? I can’t see it.
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Knife crime in London fell marginally.
2008/9…9935
2015/6…9738
.
Road deaths in London fell by 43%.
Very good. Better than the 29% fall in the UK as a whole.
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He presided over the Olympics.
Set up largely by central Gov and Ken Livingston. He had every chance to ■■■■ that up, but didn’t.
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He was there for the introduction of Boris Bikes.
Good scheme, with it’s roots in the 2007 Livingston Mayoralty.
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He had faith in the police.
As he initially trusted them to deal with the 2011 riots alone, and continued his holidays…until he got a bad press, and came back.
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Heathrow?
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London Garden Bridge?
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Since these days of heady success he has been Foreign Secretary…I think you contradicted your argument by listing all the figures. Reducing crime and road deaths were a success, however small. Yes he wasted money on the garden bridge, but it was Kahn that pulled the plug and actually made that money a waste. Somehow I think you’d be critical of him if he scraps hs2, he’ll be criticised for wasting the to date investment. The truth is, if you despise someone enough, you’ll be subjective in your criticism. Best get practicing, as the one person left in the race now is much more universally despised
I listed the figures so we can all make up our own minds…
I didn’t merely cherry pick one or two to make a case.
If you think the figures make him a great success, great.
Maybe others will think the figures show some success.
Hopefully some more will look a bit deeper, rather than just believe what I or you choose to share.
We’re dangerously close to getting another Tory Remainer PM at this point.
Will Labour cut their pressure for a general election IF a Remainer takes over at the helm? Is a Remainer PM now worth supporting by the opposition in any potential vote of No Confidence?
Does Hunt mean that Corbyn is no longer necessary on the Left of politics?
If the 50% of the Conservative Party at both Westminster and at the grass roots - believe that Boris Johnson will NOT defect to Brexit Party if he now doesn’t become PM (A fairly high chance that he’ll bottle out of “defecting”) then surely the membership who will now vote on the final two candidates - will easily choose Remainer Hunt over No-Dealer Johnson…
The EU would be delighted. They can offer him countless “Jam Tomorrow” concessions that they’ll never have to deliver - just to get Hunt to keep on going back to Brussels for the permission that he’s never gonna get, let alone May’s-■■■-Hunt’s deal, that’ll eventually just be quietly dropped, remaining by default in the meantime, and remaining at the end, simply because no Brexit has or was ever done.
Progress Bar on 0%.
Brexit 100% away from being completed. 
Winseer:
We’re dangerously close to getting another Tory Remainer PM at this point.Will Labour cut their pressure for a general election IF a Remainer takes over at the helm? Is a Remainer PM now worth supporting by the opposition in any potential vote of No Confidence?
Does Hunt mean that Corbyn is no longer necessary on the Left of politics?
If the 50% of the Conservative Party at both Westminster and at the grass roots - believe that Boris Johnson will NOT defect to Brexit Party if he now doesn’t become PM (A fairly high chance that he’ll bottle out of “defecting”) then surely the membership who will now vote on the final two candidates - will easily choose Remainer Hunt over No-Dealer Johnson…
The EU would be delighted. They can offer him countless “Jam Tomorrow” concessions that they’ll never have to deliver - just to get Hunt to keep on going back to Brussels for the permission that he’s never gonna get, let alone May’s-■■■-Hunt’s deal, that’ll eventually just be quietly dropped, remaining by default in the meantime, and remaining at the end, simply because no Brexit has or was ever done.
Progress Bar on 0%.
Brexit 100% away from being completed.
It is a clever move to get Boris set up like this. Look at his history: he was always a remained and EU enthusiast. It was only at the last minute he slipped in as a leaver.
By getting him in now the Remoaners will get enough soft traitorous Tories to revolt. These unpatriotic scum will sabotage the Government. They’ll force a General Election. Brexit will be dead in the water!
We need to stop this underhanded plot now.
Stop Boris from taking away this chance of freedom from us!.
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Franglais:
Grumpy Dad:
He can’t be held responsible for London Bridge, security services are the responsibility of the Home Secretary not Foreign Secretary, and it was the failings of the security services for not flagging those involved as a higher threat.
Charles Clark was Home Secretary in 2005 is he responsible for the 7/7 attacks ?London GARDEN Bridge.
Sorry my bad, didn’t read the post properly… you forgot Bojo’s water canons 
Franglais:
Winseer:
We’re dangerously close to getting another Tory Remainer PM at this point.Will Labour cut their pressure for a general election IF a Remainer takes over at the helm? Is a Remainer PM now worth supporting by the opposition in any potential vote of No Confidence?
Does Hunt mean that Corbyn is no longer necessary on the Left of politics?
If the 50% of the Conservative Party at both Westminster and at the grass roots - believe that Boris Johnson will NOT defect to Brexit Party if he now doesn’t become PM (A fairly high chance that he’ll bottle out of “defecting”) then surely the membership who will now vote on the final two candidates - will easily choose Remainer Hunt over No-Dealer Johnson…
The EU would be delighted. They can offer him countless “Jam Tomorrow” concessions that they’ll never have to deliver - just to get Hunt to keep on going back to Brussels for the permission that he’s never gonna get, let alone May’s-■■■-Hunt’s deal, that’ll eventually just be quietly dropped, remaining by default in the meantime, and remaining at the end, simply because no Brexit has or was ever done.
Progress Bar on 0%.
Brexit 100% away from being completed.
It is a clever move to get Boris set up like this. Look at his history: he was always a remained and EU enthusiast. It was only at the last minute he slipped in as a leaver.
By getting him in now the Remoaners will get enough soft traitorous Tories to revolt. These unpatriotic scum will sabotage the Government. They’ll force a General Election. Brexit will be dead in the water!
We need to stop this underhanded plot now.
Stop Boris from taking away this chance of freedom from us!.
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I said the Tory membership and in house remain camp would sabotage this and you questioned it Franglais, you asked if there should only be one type of leadership candidate.
Although he only beat Gove by 2 votes would say that he doesn’t have the a great deal of support from his colleagues but it’s the members who vote. Hunt will give the remain camp what they want, and that is a deal that will see we leave the EU in name only.
Grumpy Dad:
Franglais:
Grumpy Dad:
He can’t be held responsible for London Bridge, security services are the responsibility of the Home Secretary not Foreign Secretary, and it was the failings of the security services for not flagging those involved as a higher threat.
Charles Clark was Home Secretary in 2005 is he responsible for the 7/7 attacks ?London GARDEN Bridge.
Sorry my bad, didn’t read the post properly… you forgot Bojo’s water canons
No problems.
I’m too quick on the trigger sometimes too.
Water cannon! Who could forget?
Well I did.
His record on affordable housing seems good, but the goalposts moved. Different houses qualified under Livingston and Johnson.
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I don’t say he was a disaster as Mayor but not the runaway success some say.
robroy:
Franglais:
As a journalist he was acting alone.
No one else to blame for the fabrication he did, agreed.Pointless having professionals around you if you ignore them. The F.O. has professional diplomats. It seems he either didn’t read or understand their briefings.
We have professional statisticians. He was repeated warned by them of his “errors” before the chief or the ONS unprecedentedly went public in criticising him for misleading use of figures.
He has a long history of lies and incompetence.
What has changed recently?And yes, you may be correct in that he could surround himself with a bunch of sycophants. People with as little backbone as he has. People who are jumping on his coattails now, supporting a probable leader in order to gain a good job themselves.
I don’t have much time for many politicians but he is indeed a prime example of the worst of them. Say anything to get a vote or a cheap laugh.
He might be a bit like the second-hand car salesman down the pub? Couple of failed marriages, say anything to sell, even his mates, an old dog. Got a line in risque jokes that you may laugh at, but wish you hadn’t.
But him pint maybe as he tells his tall tales. Funny, but don’t believe a word of them do you? But want your sister or daughter date him? Buy a car off him? Give him the keys to your car?
No. No. No.
Keys to number ten?
**** Off.But apart from that he’s ok eh? [emoji38] [emoji38]
Is it really such a surprise to you that all politicians are in it primarily for themselves?
They all have their snouts in the same trough, and ■■■■ in the same pot.
None more so than those [zb] s in the corrupt EUthat many of us (who did not know what we were voting for ha [zb] ha [emoji38] ) can not wait to distance ourselves from.
Tell me of one MP of any party who would readily stand up for the rights and the conditions of you and me as ordinary working blokes as a priority, if he/she became PM.
(Definitely not the Labour Party who’s reason to be was to champion the working class.)
No??
Me neither.
Best politician currently in Westminster?
Probably Caroline Lucas…
Knee jerk, tree hugger, etc etc…
Honestly, when you or anyone has half an hour to spare, try to forget Swampy & Co and look at everything the Greens are saying.
Not all of it is good news, but as a balanced view it has a lot going for it.
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As a PM ?
Caroline Lucas didn’t choose the Greens as being a stepping stone to power, fame, and fortune did she?
Green politics isn’t the vehicle for selfish go-getters!
I’ve a lot of time for her and for them.
How anyone can take the greens seriously as a potential governing party is beyond me 
Franglais:
Green politics isn’t the vehicle for selfish go-getters!
I’ve a lot of time for her and for them.
Really.You mean like choosing nuclear over a bit of CO2 and going along with the all too obvious captive market scam for the big electricity providers and the elites who run it all,as part of that.Or covering what remains of the South East in concrete and housing estates to meet their pro immigration targets and policies.
I guess you’ve never heard the term melons,green on the outside and red on the inside in that regard. 
OVLOV JAY:
How anyone can take the greens seriously as a potential governing party is beyond me
Is the chief swampmeister still based off the M6 J21 in Anti Fracking HQ, could be mistaken for a hippie allotment shed
Now if Jay and Grumpy care to reread the question RobRoy asked, and I responded to…
He didn’t ask who I thought would be the next PM, now did he? He didn’t ask who should make the next Gov.
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And if silly name calling is all you muster against their arguments…
That says more about you then them.
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On the plus side no-one has commented on how big her ■■■■ are. Some progress there I s’pose.
Franglais:
Now if Jay and Grumpy care to reread the question RobRoy asked, and I responded to…
He didn’t ask who I thought would be the next PM, now did he? He didn’t ask who should make the next Gov.
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And if silly name calling is all you muster against their arguments…
That says more about you then them.
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On the plus side no-one has commented on how big her ■■■■ are. Some progress there I s’pose.
Obviously you don’t think she’s going to be the next pm, as she’s not a Tory. But you did say she’s the best mp in parliament and you mentioned her and the greens after the question of next pm.
The tree hugging side of things is not the reason I ridicule them as a party of governance. What’s their policy on defence, education, health, housing etc. They’re as big a single issue party as UKIP were in 2015 when everyone looked straight past their costed manifesto