OVLOV JAY:
I’ve not lost any perspective. It kicks in at double the national average. Then it’s virtually half gone to tax. She paid over £25k in tax last year. I paid £8k. Is it fair that two people on £40k each pay appropriately £18k between them in tax, while one person pays £25k? Where’s the desire to succeed in life if you pay most of it to the government?
And 8 people each earning £10,000 would pay nothing. How fair is that?
And obviously they will have no desire to get a better paid job, as they would have to start paying tax.
If you are earning £10k you will be most likely to be on benefits to top it up, so not much desire to better yourself to be honest
That depends on how much self-betterment is being offered.
Most benefits are set only at the level that barely keeps body and soul together. Most people are not going to work a full week’s work slogging their guts out, when their labour is still being valued by society only at the level that barely keeps their body and soul together.
But offer a significant increase in income, or employ people on terms with dignity, and then people will desire to take the offer up.
You’ll never gain better offers while we have an over supplied labour market. And that alone is good enough reason to leave the EU. I know Eastern Europeans who live in trucks, caravans, rooms, or sometimes subsidised accommodation from their employers. They can afford to work on minimum wages, people who are supporting families can’t. I don’t actually blame the people on benefits, I blame the last Labour government for causing the catch 22 problem
OVLOV JAY:
You’ll never gain better offers while we have an over supplied labour market. And that alone is good enough reason to leave the EU. I know Eastern Europeans who live in trucks, caravans, rooms, or sometimes subsidised accommodation from their employers. They can afford to work on minimum wages, people who are supporting families can’t. I don’t actually blame the people on benefits, I blame the last Labour government for causing the catch 22 problem
And Sven Goran Eriksson is to blame for footie team…
OVLOV JAY:
You’ll never gain better offers while we have an over supplied labour market. And that alone is good enough reason to leave the EU. I know Eastern Europeans who live in trucks, caravans, rooms, or sometimes subsidised accommodation from their employers. They can afford to work on minimum wages, people who are supporting families can’t. I don’t actually blame the people on benefits, I blame the last Labour government for causing the catch 22 problem
OVLOV JAY:
If you are earning £10k you will be most likely to be on benefits to top it up, so not much desire to better yourself to be honest
That depends on how much self-betterment is being offered.
Most benefits are set only at the level that barely keeps body and soul together. Most people are not going to work a full week’s work slogging their guts out, when their labour is still being valued by society only at the level that barely keeps their body and soul together.
But offer a significant increase in income, or employ people on terms with dignity, and then people will desire to take the offer up.
Surely the idea is better income means less need to work longer hours or even days resulting in more jobs shared among more workers.Resulting in less labour supply.
As opposed to the worst of all worlds situation we’ve got now of some working too many hours in a futile attempt to keep pace with ever decreasing incomes in real terms.In an oversupplied labour market,in which for some reason employers want to minimise the amount of employees they hire and maximise the amount of work each one does,even while minimising wage rates.Economics and quality of life of the mad house.
Seems Johnson has been suggesting to some he is in favour of HS2 and to others he is against it. He is gaining support from hard and soft Brexiteers.
As he gains support and it seems more likely he will win, the toadys who want a job in his cabinet speak out for him. A self perpetuating circle.
Hard to believe they all believe what he is saying, surely?
Another sad example of the way things are going here.
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The only one seeming to try and call the shots as they are, is Stewart.
He seems to have a halfway real picture of the world as it is.
Unfortunately he won’t get too far.
Telling the hard truth to those who only want to hear their own views echoed back, and false promises repeated won’t work.
The only thing they believe is that they’re going to get a job in the cabinet. Not one of those 600+ MPs actually care about anything or anyone other than themselves. Every move, and word spoken is calculated for maximum career advancement. The only people in politics who care, are local councillors trying to better their communities
OVLOV JAY:
The only thing they believe is that they’re going to get a job in the cabinet. Not one of those 600+ MPs actually care about anything or anyone other than themselves. Every move, and word spoken is calculated for maximum career advancement. The only people in politics who care, are local councillors trying to better their communities
Hard to argue with any of that.
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Gove now saying having two very different candidates to offer will divide the party. There is a move to support Johnson plus “anyone but Stewart”.
Another move to stifle any small vestiges of democracy left, in order to save their own party and their own pathetic selfish arses.
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OVLOV JAY:
The only thing they believe is that they’re going to get a job in the cabinet. Not one of those 600+ MPs actually care about anything or anyone other than themselves. Every move, and word spoken is calculated for maximum career advancement. The only people in politics who care, are local councillors trying to better their communities
Hard to argue with any of that.
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Gove now saying having two very different candidates to offer will divide the party. There is a move to support Johnson plus “anyone but Stewart”.
Another move to stifle any small vestiges of democracy left, in order to save their own party and their own pathetic selfish arses.
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Gove is staring the ■■■■■■■ obvious, having 2 very different candidates PROVES the party is already split.
The next leader will be a leaver, that was made clear at the start of the race.
Of the 3 who backed Brexit it will be between Raab and BoJo, both very controversial in their own ways.
There’s a suggestion that Stewart had some of Boris’ votes lent to him yesterday, hence the drop. Very tactical game being played if true. And if his orchestra follow him into Downing Street should he win, he could very well end up being the best PM since Thatcher
OVLOV JAY:
There’s a suggestion that Stewart had some of Boris’ votes lent to him yesterday, hence the drop. Very tactical game being played if true. And if his orchestra follow him into Downing Street should he win, he could very well end up being the best PM since Thatcher
Love or loath her, Thatcher had some principles and firm ideas. She was a hard worker.
Johnson blows in the wind and says whatever his audience wants to hear. He has a reputation for lying and laziness. Go look at his record as a journalist for fabrication. Look at his ■■■■ ups as Foreign Secretary. Look at his character through the mirror of his personal life.
Thatcher honestly believed she was working for Britain or her version of it. Johnson cares about Johnson.
OVLOV JAY:
There’s a suggestion that Stewart had some of Boris’ votes lent to him yesterday, hence the drop. Very tactical game being played if true. And if his orchestra follow him into Downing Street should he win, he could very well end up being the best PM since Thatcher
Love or loath her, Thatcher had some principles and firm ideas. She was a hard worker.
Johnson blows in the wind and says whatever his audience wants to hear. He has a reputation for lying and laziness. Go look at his record as a journalist for fabrication. Look at his ■■■■ ups as Foreign Secretary. Look at his character through the mirror of his personal life.
Thatcher honestly believed she was working for Britain or her version of it. Johnson cares about Johnson.
As a journalist and his time a FS, he was acting alone bar the incumbent foreign office team. When you’re PM you surround yourself with your own team that actually run the country, you just being the face that takes the credit or flack. That’s why Teresa May sacked the clowns that got her to call the 2017 General Election. He’s got good people around him. Same as when he was London Mayor. Something Kahn should have carried on with but obviously didn’t
As a journalist he was acting alone.
No one else to blame for the fabrication he did, agreed.
Pointless having professionals around you if you ignore them. The F.O. has professional diplomats. It seems he either didn’t read or understand their briefings.
We have professional statisticians. He was repeated warned by them of his “errors” before the chief or the ONS unprecedentedly went public in criticising him for misleading use of figures.
He has a long history of lies and incompetence.
What has changed recently?
And yes, you may be correct in that he could surround himself with a bunch of sycophants. People with as little backbone as he has. People who are jumping on his coattails now, supporting a probable leader in order to gain a good job themselves.
I don’t have much time for many politicians but he is indeed a prime example of the worst of them. Say anything to get a vote or a cheap laugh.
He might be a bit like the second-hand car salesman down the pub? Couple of failed marriages, say anything to sell, even his mates, an old dog. Got a line in risque jokes that you may laugh at, but wish you hadn’t.
But him pint maybe as he tells his tall tales. Funny, but don’t believe a word of them do you? But want your sister or daughter date him? Buy a car off him? Give him the keys to your car?
No. No. No.
Keys to number ten?
**** Off.
The trouble is, he is the only one with a successful track record in high office, ie as London Mayor. I don’t have any faith in any politician to be PM, but he was a successful Mayor. Best of a bad bunch for me
Franglais:
As a journalist he was acting alone.
No one else to blame for the fabrication he did, agreed.
Pointless having professionals around you if you ignore them. The F.O. has professional diplomats. It seems he either didn’t read or understand their briefings.
We have professional statisticians. He was repeated warned by them of his “errors” before the chief or the ONS unprecedentedly went public in criticising him for misleading use of figures.
He has a long history of lies and incompetence.
What has changed recently?
And yes, you may be correct in that he could surround himself with a bunch of sycophants. People with as little backbone as he has. People who are jumping on his coattails now, supporting a probable leader in order to gain a good job themselves.
I don’t have much time for many politicians but he is indeed a prime example of the worst of them. Say anything to get a vote or a cheap laugh.
He might be a bit like the second-hand car salesman down the pub? Couple of failed marriages, say anything to sell, even his mates, an old dog. Got a line in risque jokes that you may laugh at, but wish you hadn’t.
But him pint maybe as he tells his tall tales. Funny, but don’t believe a word of them do you? But want your sister or daughter date him? Buy a car off him? Give him the keys to your car?
No. No. No.
Keys to number ten?
**** Off.
But apart from that he’s ok eh?
Is it really such a surprise to you that all politicians are in it primarily for themselves?
They all have their snouts in the same trough, and ■■■■ in the same pot.
None more so than those ■■■■ s in the corrupt EU that many of us (who did not know what we were voting for ha ■■■■ ha ) can not wait to distance ourselves from. .
Tell me of one MP of any party who would readily stand up for the rights and the conditions of you and me as ordinary working blokes as a priority, if he/she became PM.
(Definitely not the Labour Party who’s reason to be was to champion the working class.)
No??
Me neither.
Franglais:
As a journalist he was acting alone.
No one else to blame for the fabrication he did, agreed.
Pointless having professionals around you if you ignore them. The F.O. has professional diplomats. It seems he either didn’t read or understand their briefings.
We have professional statisticians. He was repeated warned by them of his “errors” before the chief or the ONS unprecedentedly went public in criticising him for misleading use of figures.
He has a long history of lies and incompetence.
What has changed recently?
And yes, you may be correct in that he could surround himself with a bunch of sycophants. People with as little backbone as he has. People who are jumping on his coattails now, supporting a probable leader in order to gain a good job themselves.
I don’t have much time for many politicians but he is indeed a prime example of the worst of them. Say anything to get a vote or a cheap laugh.
He might be a bit like the second-hand car salesman down the pub? Couple of failed marriages, say anything to sell, even his mates, an old dog. Got a line in risque jokes that you may laugh at, but wish you hadn’t.
But him pint maybe as he tells his tall tales. Funny, but don’t believe a word of them do you? But want your sister or daughter date him? Buy a car off him? Give him the keys to your car?
No. No. No.
Keys to number ten?
**** Off.
But apart from that he’s ok eh? [emoji38] [emoji38]
Is it really such a surprise to you that all politicians are in it primarily for themselves?
They all have their snouts in the same trough, and ■■■■ in the same pot.
None more so than those [zb] s in the corrupt EU that many of us (who did not know what we were voting for ha [zb] ha [emoji38] ) can not wait to distance ourselves from. .
Tell me of one MP of any party who would readily stand up for the rights and the conditions of you and me as ordinary working blokes as a priority, if he/she became PM.
(Definitely not the Labour Party who’s reason to be was to champion the working class.)
No??
Me neither.
Gosh!
Were my personal opinions slipping through in that post?
Franglais:
As a journalist he was acting alone.
No one else to blame for the fabrication he did, agreed.
Pointless having professionals around you if you ignore them. The F.O. has professional diplomats. It seems he either didn’t read or understand their briefings.
We have professional statisticians. He was repeated warned by them of his “errors” before the chief or the ONS unprecedentedly went public in criticising him for misleading use of figures.
He has a long history of lies and incompetence.
What has changed recently?
And yes, you may be correct in that he could surround himself with a bunch of sycophants. People with as little backbone as he has. People who are jumping on his coattails now, supporting a probable leader in order to gain a good job themselves.
I don’t have much time for many politicians but he is indeed a prime example of the worst of them. Say anything to get a vote or a cheap laugh.
He might be a bit like the second-hand car salesman down the pub? Couple of failed marriages, say anything to sell, even his mates, an old dog. Got a line in risque jokes that you may laugh at, but wish you hadn’t.
But him pint maybe as he tells his tall tales. Funny, but don’t believe a word of them do you? But want your sister or daughter date him? Buy a car off him? Give him the keys to your car?
No. No. No.
Keys to number ten?
**** Off.
But apart from that he’s ok eh?
Is it really such a surprise to you that all politicians are in it primarily for themselves?
They all have their snouts in the same trough, and ■■■■ in the same pot.
None more so than those [zb] s in the corrupt EU that many of us (who did not know what we were voting for ha [zb] ha ) can not wait to distance ourselves from. .
Tell me of one MP of any party who would readily stand up for the rights and the conditions of you and me as ordinary working blokes as a priority, if he/she became PM.
(Definitely not the Labour Party who’s reason to be was to champion the working class.)
No??
Me neither.
Franglais’ solution to the BoJo’s of this world is to put people like Juncker and Tusk and other assorted unelected foreign elites in the driving seat instead.Not to mention disproportionate local immigrant representations based on an equally disproportionate immigrant vote.
On that note we could at least kick our own no hopers out at the polls until we imported Euro and third World type election vote rigging along with the rule of foreign politicians and politics.
that many of us (who did not know what we were voting for ha ■■■■ ha 
