Carryfast you and me generally get on, so please don’t take this personally, this is just good discussion:-
Carryfast:
That’s a fair observation up to a point.
Which point is that? Right up to the point you didn’t read and comprehend what I was saying?
Don’t be a dunce, I expect better of you. Comprehend what I was saying in conjunction with the post I was referring to instead of using it as a pedestal to ramble on about a point you wish to push.
Freight Dog:
Carryfast:
.But the fact remains that we’re really discussing the strange obsession which German society,and especially German Socialism in all its forms,has with the Islamic worldNo they’re not. That’s your words. Not theirs. Read above.
As I said if not then how do you explain Germany seeing Islam as a natural ally in both WW1 and WW2 for example ?.On that note you did see this post ?.On that note as I’ve said AfD and Pegida obviously have nothing to be ashamed of,or to feel supposedly guilty about,regards the ■■■■ card,in calling for the reversal of Merkel’s policies and the German electorate knows it.
Freight Dog:
Carryfast you and me generally get on, so please don’t take this personally, this is just good discussion:-Carryfast:
That’s a fair observation up to a point.Which point is that? Right up to the point you didn’t read and comprehend what I was saying?
Don’t be a dunce, I expect better of you. Comprehend what I was saying in conjunction with the post I was referring to instead of using it as a pedestal to ramble on about a point you wish to push.
Yes I agree the Germans have,‘to a point’,taken on board too much guilt over the ■■■■ issue for their own ( or Europe’s ) good.
Which I thought was your explanation as to what’s going on there regarding letting Merkel get away with putting the country in danger from a hostile invasive demographic ?.
However as I’ve said I think that Merkel being given carte blanche to open the floodgates to the point of putting the country in danger has more complicated roots.Such as the historic empathy with Turkey going back to at least the Ottoman alliance with the Kaiser’s Imperial Germany for one example.IE the guilt issue,alone,isn’t enough to explain such a stupid move.Bearing in mind that the historic lessons in keeping large scale Islamic invasion out of Europe is well enough known to trump the arguable German guilt thing.IE ze Germans historically have no fear or loathing of the Islamic world like the Serbs for example do and ‘that’s’ the reason for their problems now.
While the same applies to lesser and different extent in Northern Europe.Which has never been subjected to any historic invasion or subjugation by Islam like Southern Europe and the Balkans have.Just to point out I predictably didn’t learn any of this in the UK education system.I learn’t it from lots of conversations with those living in one of the regions effected ( Yugoslavia ).IE they know from bitter historic experience handed down from generation to generation the stupidity of what we’re now doing. 
Carryfast:
Freight Dog:
Carryfast:
.But the fact remains that we’re really discussing the strange obsession which German society,and especially German Socialism in all its forms,has with the Islamic worldNo they’re not. That’s your words. Not theirs. Read above.
As I said if not then how do you explain Germany seeing Islam as a natural ally in both WW1 and WW2 for example ?.On that note you did see this post ?.On that note as I’ve said AfD and Pegida obviously have nothing to be ashamed of,or to feel supposedly guilty about,regards the ■■■■ card,in calling for the reversal of Merkel’s policies and the German electorate knows it.
Nevermind all that. Nice steer. No cigar. Down to basics. Nice try at hijacking. If you’re going to respond to me have the decency to at least resond to a point I was making, not your own. This is starting to rack me off. I was making a brass tacks point and you’ve overly complicated it and are having an argument with yourself and not on my nelly am I going to abide. You’re on your own if you want to pedestal yourself. Either choose to enagage at basic clear level or don’t.
My posts were in direct response to some posters. Have you even read what I was responding to? I don’t think you even understood. You’re talking Spanish, I’m taking English.
I took task that some posters felt we hadn’t bombed Germany enough during the Second World War with bomber Harris. That was my point. Only that. That bloody point. Are you getting it now? Maybe I should spell it out. Here, try these glasses. No, try both. Not about wider German politics, not about Islam. I was taking issue with the dichotomy. If you can’t comprehend that then you’ve no truck with this conversation and suggest you go off and start your own.
Carryfast:
Freight Dog:
Carryfast:
While I think that no one here or there is naive enough to think that these issues have anything to do with the GermansYes they do. Reason for my post, if in doubt, suggest you reference previous.
Why would the Germans have any guilt trip in opposing the Islamification of Europe supposedly because of what the Nazis did.When the Nazis are documented as being allied with Islam in Europe against Serb Nationalism for example ?.
IE Pegida are on the opposite side of that which ■■■■ Germany was and which the probably DDR infiltrated Merkel regime is now in that regard.IE Nationalist not ■■■■.While I don’t think the German electorate is stupid enough not to realise that difference in that Hitler was no Nationalist dedicated to protecting Germany,let alone Europe,from the historic threat of Islamic invasion and Jihad.More like exactly the opposite when it suited him as in the case of his support of Bosnian attacks in the Balkans and Arab attacks against the Jews in Palestine.Just as the Kaiser did before him in the case of allying with Turkey against Serbia and Honecker in the case of his support of Arab aggression against Israel.IE Pegida and AfD are no Nazis or even German Imperialists.They are what Germany has always been crying out for in being true Nationalists.
I could save you all that writing as you clearly didn’t comprehend “yes they do”
I said “yes they do” in response to:-
“While I think that no one here or there is naive enough to think that these issues have anything to do with the Germans”
Mr response was as in, “yes there’s people on here who do think that, see earlier posts”.
And what do you do? Take it as if I was talking about Germans. This is what I’m talking about. How can we have a discussion when you don’t understand?
Freight Dog:
Carryfast:
Freight Dog:
Carryfast:
.But the fact remains that we’re really discussing the strange obsession which German society,and especially German Socialism in all its forms,has with the Islamic worldNo they’re not. That’s your words. Not theirs. Read above.
As I said if not then how do you explain Germany seeing Islam as a natural ally in both WW1 and WW2 for example ?.On that note you did see this post ?.On that note as I’ve said AfD and Pegida obviously have nothing to be ashamed of,or to feel supposedly guilty about,regards the ■■■■ card,in calling for the reversal of Merkel’s policies and the German electorate knows it.
Nevermind all that. Nice steer. No cigar. Down to basics. Nice try at hijacking. If you’re going to respond to me have the decency to at least resond to a point I was making, not your own. This is starting to rack me off. I was making a brass tacks point and you’ve overly complicated it and are having an argument with yourself and not on my nelly am I going to abide. You’re on your own if you want to pedestal yourself. Either choose to enagage at basic clear level or don’t.
My posts were in direct response to some posters. Have you even read what I was responding to? I don’t think you even understood. You’re talking Spanish, I’m taking English.
I took task that some posters felt we hadn’t bombed Germany enough during the Second World War with bomber Harris. That was my point. Only that. That bloody point. Are you getting it now? Maybe I should spell it out. Here, try these glasses. No, try both. Not about wider German politics, not about Islam. I was taking issue with the dichotomy. If you can’t comprehend that then you’ve no truck with this conversation and suggest you go off and start your own.
Firstly as I read it Harry was referring to Merkel’s regime and its considerable German vote ‘reaping what they sowed’ in the form of inviting in anyone who felt like walking into the place.In this case the Islamic threat that’s faced Europe for centuries and having been previously resisted and finally mostly kicked out over those same centuries at great cost.That certainly is a case of wider German politics.
IE,with the exception of the terminology, nothing whatsoever to do with bleedin Bomber Harris.Who I actually agree could/should arguably have done a lot more damage and caused more panic among the enemy at the time had the 4,000 lb’er cookies been used in the parachute mine format thereby maybe shortening the war a bit more. 
However that was then this is now and it’s anyone’s guess how anyone made that silly connection with what Harry actually said in which case don’t blame me for having understood exactly what Harry meant. 
Freight Dog:
I could save you all that writing as you clearly didn’t comprehend “yes they do”I said “yes they do” in response to:-
“While I think that no one here or there is naive enough to think that these issues have anything to do with the Germans”
Mr response was as in, “yes there’s people on here who do think that, see earlier posts”.
And what do you do? Take it as if I was talking about Germans. This is what I’m talking about. How can we have a discussion when you don’t understand?
Firstly I ‘actually’ said ‘‘While I think that no one here or there is naive enough to think that these issues,have anything to do with the Germans,or us,being held back,in kicking this savage cult out of Europe,by any bs guilt trip concerning the nazis.’’ I’ve stuck a few commas in to maybe make what I said a bit clearer if you misunderstood it.
In which case everything I’ve said stands.No.German guilt over WW2 can’t possibly explain them wanting to flood Europe and their own country,with a hostile invasive Islamic demographic and accompanying Sharia regime,of the type that no one with any sense in Europe would choose to live among.Bearing in mind centuries of Europe having fought to free itself from exactly that in those unlucky areas subject to it.
I reckon someone clever could write a Carryfast bot that would do a ■■■■ fine job of imitating the real thing! This thread is like a carbon copy of all the other threads on similar subjects! Happy debating chaps
Well…looks like another thread completely de railed…its fubar’ed now the nazis have been mentioned…
AndrewG:
Well…looks like another thread completely de railed…its fubar’ed now the nazis have been mentioned…
I blame Gordon Brown
Makes you wonder who ARE these German citizens who still seem to think in the majority that “Merkel is doing a fine job”. 
AndrewG:
Well…looks like another thread completely de railed…its fubar’ed now the nazis have been mentioned…
Sorry guys it was I who awakened the beast who is Carryfast and his best mate Mr Google. 
dieseldog999:
the thing is that we seem to be playing with a fixed deck of cards stacked against us…between merkel,the mayor of london ffs,the bbc and the general media…then were on a downward spiral…look on youtube at the vast majority of comments on anything to do regarding muslims in every european country…its the same story at the top,but for normal people the comments are all 1 sided.and would imply that they are unwanted to say the least.theres an endless supply of links showing what happens once they are here in sufficient numbers.try cologne last new year for starters.
Exactly.
We seem to be good at setting ourselves up for failure in this country via the back door.
Ive a mate who lives in Illinois in the U.S , they ofcourse also have all this ■■■■ over there!
He asked me recently when he realised, ““WTF are you lot doing electing a muslim mayor FFS?””"
Couple of years back he also said to me the following…
““This is what they do, they infiltrate and take over””
Its already started.
The title of this thread is inaccurate thank’s to the BBC’s Fake News there was no truck crash it was without a doubt a terrorist attack , truck was hijacked and driver murdered , a Pakistani suspect was arrested and later released, apparently not the culprit , and yet with all the CCTV in a place like Berlin they can’t find him? this imo is political Merkel and co won’t want this POS found as it will look bad for them Merkel has blood on her hands she imported thousands of them in to Germany unchecked and this is the consequence of that and there will be more attacks like this in the future
Winseer:
Makes you wonder who ARE these German citizens who still seem to think in the majority that “Merkel is doing a fine job”.
Bearing in mind her DDR stasi origins,like the Austrian elections,can we trust the count and/or it’s also probably a compliant indoctrinated electorate who really have bought the Socialist bs that anti Islamic means ■■■■. 
There are some very strange comments posted in this thread.
Respectfully extending my condolences to all the bereaved. 2016?
AndrewG:
Well…looks like another thread completely de railed…its fubar’ed now the nazis have been mentioned…
It was actually FD who was making the excuse for the German electorate that they are following Merkel because of their bs guilt over what the nazis supposedly did.Not me.When the nazis were as much supporters of Islamic takeover in Europe as she is.
tommy t:
there was no truck crash it was without a doubt a terrorist attack , truck was hijacked and driver murdered , a Pakistani suspect was arrested and later released, apparently not the culprit , and yet with all the CCTV in a place like Berlin they can’t find him? this imo is political Merkel and co won’t want this POS found as it will look bad for them Merkel has blood on her hands she imported thousands of them in to Germany unchecked and this is the consequence of that and there will be more attacks like this in the future
^ This.
Jingle Jon:
There are some very strange comments posted in this thread.Respectfully extending my condolences to all the bereaved. 2016?
You must be new here. This is completely normal. Once Carryfast gets his teeth into a subject it can literally go anywhere but usually ends up discussing world war 2 or Thatcherism.
merc0447:
Jingle Jon:
There are some very strange comments posted in this thread.Respectfully extending my condolences to all the bereaved. 2016?
You must be new here. This is completely normal. Once Carryfast gets his teeth into a subject it can literally go anywhere but usually ends up discussing world war 2 or Thatcherism.
I didn’t ‘end up discussing WW2’.It was FD who said they are letting them all in because of ‘their’ ‘guilt’ over WW2 which is total bs.When the fact is the ■■■■ agenda in WW2 was allying with Islam to reverse centuries of resistance to Islamic takeover in the Balkans at least.Just as the Kaiser’s was in WW1.