Believe me Dolph when I say they don’t give a rats arse about us British people either …
Dolph:
Juddian:
We are at war, and the sooner we stop ■■■■■■■ about calling spades bloody shovels the better.Germany has history of electing wrong uns, you’d think by now they would have learned from past mistakes, how ironic that Germany is again the catalyst for the destruction of european freedom, for all our freedoms will be further curtailed with each battle the enemy (invited by our leaders, elected ones at that) within wins, a cynical person would wonder if this was the game plan all along, our very own Judas Blair doing his part as instructed for his metaphorical pieces of silver.
Oh please, like its Germany fault for the mess in the ME, Germany invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, toppled Gaddafi, allied with Saudi Arabia and supply them with weapons, Russian sanctions and Crimean war,you get my point.
I see Germany here as a victim, not as the reason European freedom will end… But the morons in the White house or Westminster dong give a rats a$$ about us(the people of Europe).
Dolph:
Juddian:
We are at war, and the sooner we stop ■■■■■■■ about calling spades bloody shovels the better.Germany has history of electing wrong uns, you’d think by now they would have learned from past mistakes, how ironic that Germany is again the catalyst for the destruction of european freedom, for all our freedoms will be further curtailed with each battle the enemy (invited by our leaders, elected ones at that) within wins, a cynical person would wonder if this was the game plan all along, our very own Judas Blair doing his part as instructed for his metaphorical pieces of silver.
Oh please, like its Germany fault for the mess in the ME, Germany invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, toppled Gaddafi, allied with Saudi Arabia and supply them with weapons, Russian sanctions and Crimean war,you get my point.
I see Germany here as a victim, not as the reason European freedom will end… But the morons in the White house or Westminster dong give a rats a$$ about us(the people of Europe).
We can blame the Germans, we can blame the Muslim’s, we can blame the English, we can blame the Russians, we can blame the Americans, we can blame whoever makes us feel better about it…
Bit this “war” has been going on for 2016 years at least, nobody is wrong, and nobody is right… ask both sides,
I don’t know why humans get so wound up about it all… but they do so consequently we all have to look over our shoulders all the while…
And it’s bloody awful sad what has happened.
Any body here listen to the piece on R2 last week about the wingeing tossers in Newcastle moaning about the armed police presence?
Its because of this ■■■■ that they are armed!
Like I said last week, I.S don’t take Christmas off you bell ends!
Dolph:
Oh please, like its Germany fault for the mess in the ME, Germany invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, toppled Gaddafi, allied with Saudi Arabia and supply them with weapons, Russian sanctions and Crimean war,you get my point.
I see Germany here as a victim, not as the reason European freedom will end… But the morons in the White house or Westminster dong give a rats a$$ about us(the people of Europe).
Let’s just say that the moronic Russians didn’t exactly help by arming the Arab world to the teeth helped by their East German puppets.They’ve obviously learn’t nothing in that regard by continuing to play politics in the region in their support of Iran and who knows what they are thinking in making the same mistake in supporting Turkey that NATO and Europe has.Germany historically and to date at least being as much to blame in that muppetry.
Tubbysboy:
We can blame the Germans, we can blame the Muslim’s, we can blame the English, we can blame the Russians, we can blame the Americans, we can blame whoever makes us feel better about it…Bit this “war” has been going on for 2016 years at least, nobody is wrong, and nobody is right… ask both sides,
The idea that Islam has no place in and doesn’t belong in Europe is as right as it gets.While the idea of it being an inherently savage cult that needs to be kept down,as opposed to being armed to the teeth and/or given free movement around the world,is clear for all to see in the savage Sharia based societies of Islamic revolutionary Iran and Wahabbist Saudi.
robroy:
Juddian:
Germany has history of electing wrong uns, you’d think by now they would have learned from past mistakes, how ironic that Germany is again the catalyst for the destruction of european freedom,I aint saying I’m a fan by any stretch, so let’s get that out of the way first., but one of their previous leaders would have had the job sorted in 5 mins…, him and his mates didn’t [zb] around.
loath her or hate her,i dont think old maggie would have pussyfooted about either…
sas 1
iranian embassy mob 0
brits 1
argies 0
and your previous post is quite correct
Dolph:
Oh please, like its Germany fault for the mess in the ME, Germany invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, toppled Gaddafi, allied with Saudi Arabia and supply them with weapons, Russian sanctions and Crimean war,you get my point.
I see Germany here as a victim, not as the reason European freedom will end… But the morons in the White house or Westminster dong give a rats a$$ about us(the people of Europe).
It is an interesting observation you make; The “lefties” love to blame ourselves for bringing all of this hatred to our own door with our continued interference, bombings, invasions and regime changes in the middle east. However one of countries suffering the most from terrorism is Germany, and it is Germany who has in recent years shown the most kindness to the middle east by inviting a million plus into their own country and always speaking out and keeping a very low profile when we go on our interfering military crusades.
on another thought - would it be possible to have committed a terror attack like the one in Berlin in a new truck fitted with AEBS ? is it possible to turn it off ?
Harry Monk:
If Germany was prepared to sow the wind, then it has to be prepared to reap the whirlwind.
You mean the German government. Unfortunately it isn’t the German government that are reaping the whirlwind, it’s German folk at a Christmas market. They didn’t deserve to die under these circumstances.
You have to use a bit of bloody common sense with Germany. The UK has no excuse for its over zealous liberalism, Germany does. Germany can barely talk publicly about the Second World War. Hey, aren’t we great at stomping on anything German when it suits us over WW2, yet we blame Germany these days for over liberalism.
Modern Germany been brought up under the apologist mentality. Not to say no to anyone. It’s lost, it’s people are lost. It’s a vilified country, rigamortised in fear over its past getting beyond control. And yet, here we are decrying Germany for allowing these ■■■■■■■■ to reign free. Excuse the lowly German because not only has the sentiment you express been echoed in Germany before but it got out of control, was abused by evil forces hell and run riot. The whole world wanted to firestorm anything Teutonic.
If ever one should understand a populous who just doesn’t know when they should say no and the world won’t chastise them for it, it’s the German people. I’ve worked for a 90 percent German company in Luxembourg, and spent a lot of time with German colleagues. It’s a complex matter.
The UK has no such excuses for its liberalism. If you want to blame someone, blame the uk.
Throw rocks at Merckel. I do, she stinks to high heaven. But use intelligence with the German people itself and not apply UK demographics to a German populous still grappling with its moral compass as a result of decades of vilification .
Ramon123:
Harry Monk:
If Germany was prepared to sow the wind, then it has to be prepared to reap the whirlwind.Bomber Harris knew the score.
I don’t know where to begin with this. Back then, the allies were sick at Germany for allowing intolerance to get such a grip hold that a pshycotic dictator could take control of a country using fear tactics to commit the largest mass murder known to man. And now we are vilifying the German public because they have been stupid enough for showing tolerance of a sect of people that causes them harm.
Can you see the stupidness of what you’re saying? The perfect irony when talking Germany? Given the second world war?
I’m not criticising the objective. I hate the gits (jihadists). I have some very strong views on Islam but I think throwing stones at the German people is failing to use intelligence over recent world history and why they might be the least enthusiastic people to say no to anyone. ■■■■, the west spent 70 years telling them off for letting the opposite of liberalism get out of control.
It’s us that’s reaping the whirl wind. We were correct to defeat Hitler’s Germany, it was evil. But we were also incorrect to allow tolerance to become the bastion sword of honour that any man ■■■■ or harry could abuse. Germany has its excuses for pants down tolerance, we don’t.
id think that the majority of the german people nowadays would like to see their pants pulled back up and hopefully will get rid of merkel and her like pronto.
im heading out to sweden tomorrow and ive yet to meet a swede that thinks differently also.
christ knows who votes these people in because i never ever seem to meet them in real life whether here or abroad.
There’s some really stupid bloody comments on this thread. I rarely get angry. I’ve never been angry on trucknet, but they’ve made me angry.
I have aired previously fairly strong views about what I think of things ex ME, having lived in Saudi myself and worked in some horrid places that have Islamic nutters. Its the lack of intelligent application of thought that is getting on my nerves, because it’s this lack of thought that gets us where we are.
I make no apologies. If you’re playing cards. Then play it properly
Freight Dog:
There’s some really stupid bloody comments on this thread. I rarely get angry. I’ve never been angry on trucknet, but they’ve made me angry.I have aired previously fairly strong views about what I think of things ex ME, having lived in Saudi myself and worked in some horrid places that have Islamic nutters. Its the lack of intelligent application of thought that is getting on my nerves, because it’s this lack of thought that gets us where we are.
I make no apologies. If you’re playing cards. Then play it properly
Best retort I have read on the subject … thankyou
the thing is that we seem to be playing with a fixed deck of cards stacked against us…between merkel,the mayor of london ffs,the bbc and the general media…then were on a downward spiral…look on youtube at the vast majority of comments on anything to do regarding muslims in every european country…its the same story at the top,but for normal people the comments are all 1 sided.and would imply that they are unwanted to say the least.theres an endless supply of links showing what happens once they are here in sufficient numbers.try cologne last new year for starters.
Freight Dog:
Harry Monk:
If Germany was prepared to sow the wind, then it has to be prepared to reap the whirlwind.You mean the German government. Unfortunately it isn’t the German government that are reaping the whirlwind, it’s German folk at a Christmas market. They didn’t deserve to die under these circumstances.
You have to use a bit of bloody common sense with Germany. The UK has no excuse for its over zealous liberalism, Germany does. Germany can barely talk publicly about the Second World War. Hey, aren’t we great at stomping on anything German when it suits us over WW2, yet we blame Germany these days for over liberalism.
Modern Germany been brought up under the apologist mentality. Not to say no to anyone. It’s lost, it’s people are lost. It’s a vilified country, rigamortised in fear over its past getting beyond control. And yet, here we are decrying Germany for allowing these ■■■■■■■■ to reign free. Excuse the lowly German because not only has the sentiment you express been echoed in Germany before but it got out of control, was abused by evil forces hell and run riot. The whole world wanted to firestorm anything Teutonic.
If ever one should understand a populous who just doesn’t know when they should say no and the world won’t chastise them for it, it’s the German people. I’ve worked for a 90 percent German company in Luxembourg, and spent a lot of time with German colleagues. It’s a complex matter.
The UK has no such excuses for its liberalism. If you want to blame someone, blame the uk.
Throw rocks at Merckel. I do, she stinks to high heaven. But use intelligence with the German people itself and not apply UK demographics to a German populous still grappling with its moral compass as a result of decades of vilification .
That’s a fair observation up to a point.But the fact remains that we’re really discussing the strange obsession which German society,and especially German Socialism in all its forms,has with the Islamic world whether the Kaiser’s Germany,or National Socialist Germany,or the laughably named DDR Germany,or Merkel’s EUSSR version.On that note we’re talking about a massive demographic among the German electorate and population who are willingly going along with it.As Juddian says they seem to have a habit of picking wrong uns.While I think that no one here or there is naive enough to think that these issues have anything to do with the Germans or us being held back in kicking this savage cult out of Europe by any bs guilt trip concerning the Nazis.Bearing in mind that no surprise the Nazis themselves saw an obvious attraction between their version of Socialism and the corruption and autocratic savagery which goes with full on Islamic Sharia type government wherever it gets a hold.
Which leaves the big question what the zb is our government up to in continuing with this corrupt Islamification of Europe agenda and helping its savage Saudi wahabbist so called ‘ally’ to do it.That’s the difference between ze Germans and us.IE we’re more often up for holding our government ( and their’s ) to account for its actions and telling them it stinks when needed.What is certain is that Europe needs to throw out this corrupt leadership to replaced by AfD,FN and UKIP. 
Freight Dog:
I think throwing stones at the German people is failing to use intelligence over recent world history and why they might be the least enthusiastic people to say no to anyone. [zb], the west spent 70 years telling them off for letting the opposite of liberalism get out of control.It’s us that’s reaping the whirl wind. We were correct to defeat Hitler’s Germany, it was evil. But we were also incorrect to allow tolerance to become the bastion sword of honour that any man ■■■■ or harry could abuse. Germany has its excuses for pants down tolerance, we don’t.
If we’re going to use intelligence then the lessons of history show that a naive compliant electorate is the perfect ground for hijacking by the Socialist agenda.Which is my guess as to what’s happened in Europe.Which probably explains why the equally hijacked media brands AfD FN and UKIP as the so called ‘far right’ and likes ‘democracy’ just so long as it all goes its way but chucks its toys out of its pram when it doesn’t.On that note can we trust the re staged Austrian elections any more than the previously thrown out ones which were proved to be rigged against the so called ‘right’.
dieseldog999:
id think that the majority of the german people nowadays would like to see their pants pulled back up and hopefully will get rid of merkel and her like pronto.
If only.But the electoral numbers as they stand say different. 
I’d guess the first priority in that regard is smashing the Socialists bs link between ■■■■ v Nationalist.With ■■■■ actually being Socialist with as expected Serbian Nationalism actually being historically Europe’s best defence against Islamification.With,National Socialism actually having been a big ally of Islamic aggression within Europe ( Balkans at least ).
Carryfast:
While I think that no one here or there is naive enough to think that these issues have anything to do with the Germans
Yes they do. Reason for my post, if in doubt, suggest you reference previous.
Carryfast:
.But the fact remains that we’re really discussing the strange obsession which German society,and especially German Socialism in all its forms,has with the Islamic world
No they’re not. That’s your words. Not theirs. Read above.
Freight Dog:
Carryfast:
While I think that no one here or there is naive enough to think that these issues have anything to do with the GermansYes they do. Reason for my post, if in doubt, suggest you reference previous.
Why would the Germans have any guilt trip in opposing the Islamification of Europe supposedly because of what the Nazis did.When the Nazis are documented as being allied with Islam in Europe against Serb Nationalism for example ?. 
IE Pegida are on the opposite side of that which ■■■■ Germany was and which the probably DDR infiltrated Merkel regime is now in that regard.IE Nationalist not ■■■■.While I don’t think the German electorate is stupid enough not to realise that difference in that Hitler was no Nationalist dedicated to protecting Germany,let alone Europe,from the historic threat of Islamic invasion and Jihad.More like exactly the opposite when it suited him as in the case of his support of Bosnian attacks in the Balkans and Arab attacks against the Jews in Palestine.Just as the Kaiser did before him in the case of allying with Turkey against Serbia and Honecker in the case of his support of Arab aggression against Israel.IE Pegida and AfD are no Nazis or even German Imperialists.They are what Germany has always been crying out for in being true Nationalists.