BillyHunt:
Did I not say keep it simple? I have absolutely no idea what that last bit of guff is all about, or who this all seeing weather person Sagan is, and I won’t be googling it. I do know I don’t live anywhere near Venus, and I know you have a history of picking losers, and I know you think you know everything about everything, I just prefer to believe information from reputable people & not some loon that checks the seaweed in his shed. I know it’s warmer now than it’s ever been, I don’t need anyone to tell me that.
You’re a global warmist believer but you don’t know anything about the pot smoking nutter who kicked the whole thing off by saying that Venus was cooked by the CO2 content of its atmosphere.
Then you’re doing the same as him by talking about a non existent heatwave in Canada and Siberia etc based on the fact that the temperature always depends on which way the wind blows here.Let me guess that’s weather in your view not climate. 
BillyHunt:
I know it’s warmer now than it’s ever been
Sorry, but that is completely inaccurate.
chicane:
BillyHunt:
I know it’s warmer now than it’s ever been
Sorry, but that is completely inaccurate.
Really? When was the last time you were in shirtsleeves in November? When was the last really cold winter here? We haven’t had a really cold spell for any length of time in Newcastle for a few years so I think I’ll stand by what I’ve said.
The last two years are on record as being the warmest since records began. Yes, I know, it’s all a massive plot by some unnamed government group, for reasons unknown, blah blah blah.
Carryfast:
BillyHunt:
Did I not say keep it simple? I have absolutely no idea what that last bit of guff is all about, or who this all seeing weather person Sagan is, and I won’t be googling it. I do know I don’t live anywhere near Venus, and I know you have a history of picking losers, and I know you think you know everything about everything, I just prefer to believe information from reputable people & not some loon that checks the seaweed in his shed. I know it’s warmer now than it’s ever been, I don’t need anyone to tell me that.
You’re a global warmist believer but you don’t know anything about the pot smoking nutter who kicked the whole thing off by saying that Venus was cooked by the CO2 content of its atmosphere.
Then you’re doing the same as him by talking about a non existent heatwave in Canada and Siberia etc based on the fact that the temperature always depends on which way the wind blows here.Let me guess that’s weather in your view not climate.
Not bad, you’re only 100% wrong, no change there then. I don’t know if global warming exists, never said it did but feel free to tell me what I think. No I don’t know anything about this person you’re banging on about, why should I? I’ve got more to do than sit around trawling the Internet as soon as a new topic comes along. I know what I know & that is its warmer now than it was when I was a nipper. I’m just not the type to disbelieve anything just because it came from government, unlike you.
So we’re onto climate change again? You got stung a bit on fuel didn’t you CF ?
Curryfart always picks some Johnny randomer’s hobbyhorse from the Internet, then rides it in circles around the garden.
Do you know why & can you explain it to me please, just try & keep it simple. Oh & no links, I don’t bother reading them.
For the past 150 years or so, the average temperature has been measured and recorded using sea temperature as a reference. The trend has been an increase in meaaured temperature. The conclusion from these observations is: burning fossil fuels has had a “greenhouse effect” and therefore global warming is a manmade phenomena.
However, this doesn’t take into account periods where the temperature has been below average, so the phrase "global warming was replaced with “climate change”. Computer models confirmed that CO2 from human activity was the primary contributing factor behind any warming observed.
All well and good, but it doesn’t take into account that atmospheric water vapour is a more effective “greenhouse gas” than carbon dioxide. Nor does it account for solar activity that operates on known 4, 11 and 80 year cycles. Volcanic activity is also a major source of greenhouse gasses, and impossible to predict. And I forgot to say, in geological terms, we are effectively coming out of a mini ice age. I could go on, but I won’t.
My beef with all this is our governments attitude to climate change. It introduces “carbon taxes”. It does nothing to protect rainforests, the planets natural carbon sink, it’s removing subsidies for renewable energy sources. It’s putting faith in nuclear energy, a producer of water vapour, instead of solar, wind or tidal.
I gave up a job teaching science because the curriculum demanded I teach man made climate change as fact, so I do actually know a little bit about this topic.
Hope this helps, and if I’ve perked your interest, I can provide links.
Captain Caveman 76:
I gave up a job teaching science because the curriculum demanded I teach man made climate change as fact, so I do actually know a little bit about this topic.
Hope this helps, and if I’ve perked your interest, I can provide links.
Oh look. Someone who looks like they may actually know a little about this subject (fuel topic again CF?). You won’t knock him off his hobbyhorse. Once the buggers on the thing, he’s glued on. Round and round he goes…
Carryfast:
If Sagan was right then we’d obviously expect to see a much cooler surface temperature on Earth than on Venus,or for that matter much cooler temperature on Venus,given equivalent Earth type atmospheric composition and 92 bar atmospheric pressure.In which case as I said feel free to explain the relevant temperatures in either case, based on the composition of Earth’s atmosphere not Venus’,at the equivalent 92 bar pressure.Bearing in mind the principle of compression ignition in good old fashioned air.
IE Sagan’s bs theory is unarguably saying that if we replace ‘the composition’ of Venus’ atmosphere with that of Earth’s it wouldn’t be as hot at the surface.Which,bearing in mind that above equivalent atmospheric pressure figure,is total bollox.
As for the idea of a 2-4 degree increase for an 0.01 % increase in Earth’s atmospheric CO2 content that figure is based on exactly what evidence.
I’m coming to the conclusion that you are completely bonkers, your interpretation of Sagan would be akin to someone saying, if Issac newton was right we would have all been killed by falling apples.
Why do you keep banging on about atmospheric pressure? Unless the pressure is changing it has no affect on temperature. Before you set off in the morning is the air in your tyre warm because it is at 6bar ? Compression ignition is the heat generated in the rapid compression, it is the opposite of draining air out of a tank when ice will form (rapid decompression)
CO2 has increased by nearly 50% since the beginning of the industrial revolution, not 0.01%
peterm:
All I know for sure is that there’s an awful lot of people around the world making an awful lot of money out of ‘climate change’
In a few weeks time they will be all flying into Paris for the climate change conference in private jets and staying in all the top hotels to debate the problem, And no doubt Abama will be arriving in his fleet of 7 jumbo jets, no pollution there then…
Carryfast:
DearBoy:
I watched a BBC informational program about this and there is a cold water blob(in rather large terms) in the North Atlantic jet stream
The problem being that the jet stream is more than 5 miles up in the atmosphere and the North Atlantic is obviously all below sea level.On that note I’d guess that like melting ice in the Polar Summer they are just extrapolating Armageddon from the bleedin obvious that no one would want to go swimming in the sea around Greenland as opposed to Florida.
“On that note” I’m guessing he meant the gulf stream?
Is the Atlantic below sea level? You learn something every day here.
The earth is estimated to be some 4.543 BIlLION years old to say that we have global warming based on 150yrs of observations is just plain ludicrous.
The climate fluctuates as is largely self regulating, it’s just the way it works. If humans can’t survive a period of extreme cold or heat then tough, we won’t be the first or last species to become extinct and life will still go on in some form. I’m not saying we shouldn’t be moving to renewables for our energy, stopping destroying our forests, and generally ripping the crap out of our planet. What I am saying is that the climate always changes sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly, LIVE WITH IT.
You want something to scare yourself ■■■■■■■■ with try a 'flip of the earth’s magnetic field which is weakening and protects us from the worst effects of solar flares, they happen every 200,000 - 300,000 yrs
Bluey Circles:
Why do you keep banging on about atmospheric pressure? Unless the pressure is changing it has no affect on temperature. Before you set off in the morning is the air in your tyre warm because it is at 6bar ? Compression ignition is the heat generated in the rapid compression, it is the opposite of draining air out of a tank when ice will form (rapid decompression)
CO2 has increased by nearly 50% since the beginning of the industrial revolution, not 0.01%
Unless it’s actually changing pressure has no effect on temperature. Then explain why temperature reduces by almost 10 degrees C for every 1,000 metres in altitude.Bearing in mind there is no actual change in pressure at each different level.
As for 50% increase in CO2 as the unions rightly said 50% of SFA is still SFA.
James the cat:
Carryfast:
DearBoy:
I watched a BBC informational program about this and there is a cold water blob(in rather large terms) in the North Atlantic jet stream
The problem being that the jet stream is more than 5 miles up in the atmosphere and the North Atlantic is obviously all below sea level.On that note I’d guess that like melting ice in the Polar Summer they are just extrapolating Armageddon from the bleedin obvious that no one would want to go swimming in the sea around Greenland as opposed to Florida.
“On that note” I’m guessing he meant the gulf stream?
Is the Atlantic below sea level? You learn something every day here.
As for the Atlantic being too cold as a comparison at our type of latitude the Hudson Bay is stated as around -1 C today let alone -19 in Novosibirsk.Feel free to explain the difference.
Exactly which part of the ‘Atlantic’ Ocean,being by definition the water below the surface,is above sea level by your reckoning ?.
James the cat:
Carryfast:
DearBoy:
I watched a BBC informational program about this and there is a cold water blob(in rather large terms) in the North Atlantic jet stream
The problem being that the jet stream is more than 5 miles up in the atmosphere and the North Atlantic is obviously all below sea level.On that note I’d guess that like melting ice in the Polar Summer they are just extrapolating Armageddon from the bleedin obvious that no one would want to go swimming in the sea around Greenland as opposed to Florida.
“On that note” I’m guessing he meant the gulf stream?
Is the Atlantic below sea level? You learn something every day here.
buckle in james it coud be a long rough ride
Captain Caveman 76:
Do you know why & can you explain it to me please, just try & keep it simple. Oh & no links, I don’t bother reading them.
For the past 150 years or so, the average temperature has been measured and recorded using sea temperature as a reference. The trend has been an increase in meaaured temperature. The conclusion from these observations is: burning fossil fuels has had a “greenhouse effect” and therefore global warming is a manmade phenomena.
However, this doesn’t take into account periods where the temperature has been below average, so the phrase "global warming was replaced with “climate change”. Computer models confirmed that CO2 from human activity was the primary contributing factor behind any warming observed.
All well and good, but it doesn’t take into account that atmospheric water vapour is a more effective “greenhouse gas” than carbon dioxide. Nor does it account for solar activity that operates on known 4, 11 and 80 year cycles. Volcanic activity is also a major source of greenhouse gasses, and impossible to predict. And I forgot to say, in geological terms, we are effectively coming out of a mini ice age. I could go on, but I won’t.
My beef with all this is our governments attitude to climate change. It introduces “carbon taxes”. It does nothing to protect rainforests, the planets natural carbon sink, it’s removing subsidies for renewable energy sources. It’s putting faith in nuclear energy, a producer of water vapour, instead of solar, wind or tidal.
I gave up a job teaching science because the curriculum demanded I teach man made climate change as fact, so I do actually know a little bit about this topic.
Hope this helps, and if I’ve perked your interest, I can provide links.
Are you sure this is true, you never mentioned Venus or Sagan.
At last a piece by someone who knows what they’re on about, as opposed to some armchair warrior trawling Google for their “facts”.
So would it be fair to say that you agree with what the government scientists say but you’re not happy with what they’re doing about those findings? There’s no ulterior motive, not trying to trip you up or anything like that, I’m just interested in if you think they are correct and, if you’re not, why do you think they put this stuff out.
peterm:
All I know for sure is that there’s an awful lot of people around the world making an awful lot of money out of ‘climate change’
+1… id say they were the same people that made millions from the impending millennium bug that was going to happen on 2000 with the same people on the receiving end believing all the guff that got spouted then…was it not warmer than this when robin hood was jogging about before cars were invented?
Not the content I was expecting. Thought it may have been some of Dipper Dave’s deviant behaviour.
Carryfast:
Exactly which part of the ‘Atlantic’ Ocean,being by definition the water below the surface,is above sea level by your reckoning ?.
Oh right. Thanks. I thought it was above sea level. Especially helpful you put it in your post as don’t think any of us knew that.
scrotumscratcher:
James the cat:
Carryfast:
DearBoy:
I watched a BBC informational program about this and there is a cold water blob(in rather large terms) in the North Atlantic jet stream
The problem being that the jet stream is more than 5 miles up in the atmosphere and the North Atlantic is obviously all below sea level.On that note I’d guess that like melting ice in the Polar Summer they are just extrapolating Armageddon from the bleedin obvious that no one would want to go swimming in the sea around Greenland as opposed to Florida.
“On that note” I’m guessing he meant the gulf stream?
Is the Atlantic below sea level? You learn something every day here.
buckle in james it coud be a long rough ride
Nah, I don’t think so. Whats that whooshing noise CF? Did you hear it?
