wing-nut:
You can’t class it as misuse of lane, all you are doing is turning right, right, right and right again to go where you were going in the first place, the most that can happen is you’ll get dizzy
It’s not using the wrong lane in the manner that you would have to force your way back into traffic to be in the correct lane, but it is using the lanes (on the approach and on the roundabout) in a way to gain an advantage over other traffic in a queue whilst inconveniencing it further, and it is that point that would cause the offence to be committed.
Tris:
Saw a nice trick yesterday. I was on the A47 queuing in lane 1 for a roundabout (lane 2 was right turn only) as the dual carriageway became single file after the roundabout. An Hgv came hurtling down lane two, circled the full 360 around the roundabout and exited where everyone else was queuing up for. Not sure I’d have the cheek to do it myself though as it struck me as pretty [zb].
Been doing this for years. You need to get out more!!!
Plus I always drive down the closing lane at roadworks on DC`s. I love doing it everytime.
wing-nut:
You can’t class it as misuse of lane, all you are doing is turning right, right, right and right again to go where you were going in the first place, the most that can happen is you’ll get dizzy
It’s not using the wrong lane in the manner that you would have to force your way back into traffic to be in the correct lane, but it is using the lanes (on the approach and on the roundabout) in a way to gain an advantage over other traffic in a queue whilst inconveniencing it further, and it is that point that would cause the offence to be committed.
Ah rubbish, Coppers would be pulling over all cars and lorries completing more than a 180 degree orbit.
My other extensive crime spree saw me mis using roundabouts in a most heinous way for my actual disadvantage. I’d do a complete orbit to allow a couple of wagons past that I’d been holding up. I’m a right barrsteerd me you see
This is probably making the righteous squeal at their iPads and rip up their highway codes in anger and frustration. I can hear the rifling of highway code pages searching for flouted laws so I better shut up
"The offence of driving without reasonable consideration under section 3 of the RTA 1988 is committed only when other persons are inconvenienced by the manner of the defendants driving, see section 3ZA(4) RTA 1988.
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This offence is appropriate when the driving amounts to a clear act of incompetence, selfishness, impatience or aggressiveness in addition to some other inconvenience to road users. The following examples are typical of actions likely to be regarded as inconsiderate driving:
misuse of any lane (including cycling lanes) to avoid queuing or gain some other advantage over other drivers;"
Using the right lane to do a complete lap to go straight on is gaining an advantage other other road users and impatient and selfish (since it causes additional delay to others), so that offence pretty well covers such manoeuvres.
what a load of ■■■■■■■■.i’d just claim i was lost and took the wrong turn onto the roundabout-are you telling me you’ve never gone all the way round one when you are looking for an address in an unfamiliar area?
Freight Dog:
Ah rubbish, Coppers would be pulling over all cars and lorries completing more than a 180 degree orbit.
There are probably hundreds of traffic offences we see being committed every day that the police don’t do anything about, but that doesn’t mean they are legal.
You can allow other drivers to pass you all you like, but it is when you are doing the opposite, inconveniencing them to gain an advantage, that it could be driving without reasonable consideration.
And if anyone doing something thinking it’s a sneaky way to get past the other traffic waiting to go in the same direction then they are clearly acting without consideration for other road users.
rigsby:
he must have been an old timer , we were using that trick when adam was a lad .
Think we all did Dave, time’s money! There used to be a lad who drove an artic for a ‘well known tipper firm from Hyde’ who, when coming South from Hazel Grove on the A6, used to get in the outside lane at the Macclesfield road lights as the right hand lane (for Poynton and Macclesfield only!) changed about a second or two before the left hand lane for Buxton. He gained about a wagons length and then chopped across in front of the other vehicles just as they were setting off to get in front and head for Buxton, saw him do that several times and he had it off to a fine art! I mentioned it to him once when he was in Ballidon and he just laughed and said that they always let him in.
Freight Dog:
Ah rubbish, Coppers would be pulling over all cars and lorries completing more than a 180 degree orbit.
There are probably hundreds of traffic offences we see being committed every day that the police don’t do anything about, but that doesn’t mean they are legal.
You can allow other drivers to pass you all you like, but it is when you are doing the opposite, inconveniencing them to gain an advantage, that it could be driving without reasonable consideration.
And if anyone doing something thinking it’s a sneaky way to get past the other traffic waiting to go in the same direction then they are clearly acting without consideration for other road users.
I suggest you have a little read of the Highway Code rules 184 to 190 then tell us it’s not legal.
wing-nut:
I suggest you have a little read of the Highway Code rules 184 to 190 then tell us it’s not legal.
That’s got nothing to do with it. You may be using the correct lanes for the manoeuvre on the roundabout, but if the manoeuvre is being done to gain an advantage at the inconvenience of others then that’s how the driving without reasonable consideration offence is being committed.
Well sorry I disagree with you.
The law does indeed state “misuse of any lane (including cycling lanes) to avoid queuing or gain some other advantage over other drivers”, however like a lot of laws it is open to interpretation and I don’t believe any coppers would interpret it the same as you are.
If I do ever get nicked I’ll just blame it on the satnav
Anyway, on a lighter note, here’s one or rather 6 I’ve been round and round in circles many bloody times searching for a way out and never been nicked yet!!
Glen A9:
The police can actually prosecute for for doing this as it is being done to the deliberate inconvenience of other road users.
Are you sure? I can inconvenience you as much as I like, perhaps by holding you up as I reverse slowly into a tight area, or even just stop on the carriageway to do…something. Nobody knows why I’ve stopped except me but if it inconveniences anybody else then that’s just tough [zb]. Don’t make things up!
truckerjimbo:
Plus I always drive down the closing lane at roadworks on DC`s. I love doing it everytime.
If only everyone would do this and merge in turn, it would solve a lot of unnecessary start stop traffic.
I used the same dual carriageway a few days running and it was traffic chaos as people would queue all the way up a DC and blocking a roundabout further back, i noticed after a couple of days they added some new signs “Use both lanes” “Merge in turn”, and still it seemed like only delivery drivers were using the lane that was going to close.
People see a sign for lane closure in e.g 800yrds and all move over and queue and then think your a tool for driving down to say 50yrds.
wing-nut:
The law does indeed state “misuse of any lane (including cycling lanes) to avoid queuing or gain some other advantage over other drivers”, however like a lot of laws it is open to interpretation and I don’t believe any coppers would interpret it the same as you are.
That’s not the law, it’s one example given by the CPS on charging for that offence, but the more relevant part is above that where it says they could prosecute for “a clear act of incompetence, selfishness, impatience or aggressiveness in addition to some other inconvenience to road users”.
The manoeuvre being described here (when intentional) is clearly being done out of impatience and is selfish because it adds to the delay of people waiting in the queue.
This offence basically covers anyone being an inconsiderate [insert expletive here] when driving.
You’re right that the police are unlikely to prosecute for this offence, but the same could be said of other things that cause inconvenience without danger, such as “lane hogging”, but they can if they really want, which is probably only if someone gets in their way.
Born Idle:
Are you sure? I can inconvenience you as much as I like, perhaps by holding you up as I reverse slowly into a tight area, or even just stop on the carriageway to do…something. Nobody knows why I’ve stopped except me but if it inconveniences anybody else then that’s just tough s**t. Don’t make things up!
Taking your time to manoeuvre is something that is necessary, doing a lap of a roundabout to avoid a queue isn’t and is just being impatient.
Glen A9:
That’s not the law, it’s one example given by the CPS on charging for that offence, but the more relevant part is above that where it says they could prosecute for “a clear act of incompetence, selfishness, impatience or aggressiveness in addition to some other inconvenience to road users”
I agree it’s an example but as I’ve said it is open to interpretation.
As I can see this thread dragging on for several more pages I will just repeat that I disagree with you and say no more.
Next time I see you in a queue on the inside lane I’ll give you a wave on my way up to roundabout
wing-nut:
I can see this thread dragging on for several more pages I will just repeat that I disagree with you and say no more.
Next time I see you in a queue on the inside lane I’ll give you a wave on my way up to roundabout
No need to go on to more pages, it can be solved like this.
Those that need to get on for whatever reason …go round the round about.
Those that want to sit in a queue for God knows how long …don’t
wing-nut:
Next time I see you in a queue on the inside lane I’ll give you a wave on my way up to roundabout
But your basically being an inconsiderate {whatever] by doing that. If everybody (or even half the people) did it, you just be sitting in a queue that takes equally long in the other lane, and the people in the left lane would never move.
If you’re doing it in a car it might be inconspicuous enough, but in a truck is going to be fairly obvious and hardly serves to improve the image of professional drivers.
peirre:
Ok fess up … who does it when they approach the Mottram roundabout at the end of the M67 heading towards the Woodhead pass??
the other one in queuing traffic and then coming off at the slip road then back on again, this only works if the traffic it stopped, and make sure you can get back on lol
There used to be a lad who drove an artic for a ‘well known tipper firm from Hyde’ who, when coming South from Hazel Grove on the A6, used to get in the outside lane at the Macclesfield road lights as the right hand lane (for Poynton and Macclesfield only!) changed about a second or two before the left hand lane for Buxton. He gained about a wagons length and then chopped across in front of the other vehicles just as they were setting off to get in front and head for Buxton, saw him do that several times and he had it off to a fine art! I mentioned it to him once when he was in Ballidon and he just laughed and said that they always let him in. 
