Beating the queues

As has been said this is an old trick but it can in some circumstances cause hold ups for everyone so should be used with some forethought in my opinion, if there’s also a queue on the road exiting the roundabout people trying to advance in the queue approaching the roundabout by going all the way round it can bring the whole area to a standstill by completely blocking the roundabout.

I know of one roundabout where this happens pretty much every day during peak traffic periods, traffic wanting to turn right at the roundabout can’t because the roundabout is congested by people going all the way round it to beat a queue on the approach road.

One of the roundabouts on the Ayr bypass is a bit like this. I usually need to go left but the left Lane is full of cars wanting to go straight on to Ayr. I use the right lane, pass them all then right round the roundabout and take the exit I want. Rather than me sitting for 5 minutes in a queue, I rarely have to stop and only hold up the straight ahead traffic for 1 second!

tachograph:
As has been said this is an old trick but it can in some circumstances cause hold ups for everyone so should be used with some forethought in my opinion, if there’s also a queue on the road exiting the roundabout people trying to advance in the queue approaching the roundabout by going all the way round it can bring the whole area to a standstill by completely blocking the roundabout.

I know of one roundabout where this happens pretty much every day during peak traffic periods, traffic wanting to turn right at the roundabout can’t because the roundabout is congested by people going all the way round it to beat a queue on the approach road.

My thoughts exactly, seems as long as THEY get to the front ■■■■ anyone they impede. Wonder how they react when it’s done to them.

I regularly do it on this one. Coming from the left and wanting to go straight on the left lane on the approach is often queuing by people wanting to go left but cannot as Chaul End Lane, the road at the 12 o’clock position in the picture, is queuing back to and over the roundabout. There is a school down Chaul End Lane and the parents dropping the kids off cause the queues so instead of sitting there for what can be a few minutes I use the right lane when I want to go straight on and either go all the way round the inside line of the roundabout, avoiding the queuing traffic on the roundabout, or if nothing is behind me I just go straight on . Wednesday morning I followed a police car who did the exact same thing and went straight on, as did I

peirre:
Ok fess up … who does it when they approach the Mottram roundabout at the end of the M67 heading towards the Woodhead pass??

Do it regularly. :smiling_imp:

I used to do it regular at a roundabout in Chelmsford and not a single ■■■■ was given :sunglasses: :laughing:

It’s not cutting in at the front of the queue, but it is clearly gaining an advantage of traffic queueing in the designated lane, so is “queue jumping”.

Traffic doing a complete circuit of the roundabout to go straight on is increasing the delay to traffic in the correct lane as it has to give way to the circling traffic.

The police can actually prosecute for for doing this as it is being done to the deliberate inconvenience of other road users.

dri-diddly-iver:
It’s blatant queue jumping! Instead of turning right he’s gone all the way round effectively going straight on :unamused:

Its called planning ahead.

Glen A9:
It’s not cutting in at the front of the queue, but it is clearly gaining an advantage of traffic queueing in the designated lane, so is “queue jumping”.

Traffic doing a complete circuit of the roundabout to go straight on is increasing the delay to traffic in the correct lane as it has to give way to the circling traffic.

The police can actually prosecute for for doing this as it is being done to the deliberate inconvenience of other road users.

So, what law do they prosecute you under ?

Glen A9:
The police can actually prosecute for for doing this as it is being done to the deliberate inconvenience of other road users.

Do you have any examples to back up this statement? Also, under what offence are they prosecuted?

cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/road … iving/#a31

"The offence of driving without reasonable consideration under section 3 of the RTA 1988 is committed only when other persons are inconvenienced by the manner of the defendants driving, see section 3ZA(4) RTA 1988.

This offence is appropriate when the driving amounts to a clear act of incompetence, selfishness, impatience or aggressiveness in addition to some other inconvenience to road users. The following examples are typical of actions likely to be regarded as inconsiderate driving:

  • misuse of any lane (including cycling lanes) to avoid queuing or gain some other advantage over other drivers;"

Using the right lane to do a complete lap to go straight on is gaining an advantage other other road users and impatient and selfish (since it causes additional delay to others), so that offence pretty well covers such manoeuvres.

Glen A9:
Using the right lane to do a complete lap to go straight on is gaining and advantage other other road users and impatient and selfish (since it causes additional delay to others), so that offence pretty well covers such manoeuvres.

Thanks. The problem with that is proving it. Only the eternally dumb will say ‘yeah I was queue jumping’ if stopped by the police. Without that admission any officer would have a hard time proving it was a deliberate act and not just an innocent driver who made an honest mistake. ‘I thought I needed to turn right and it wasn’t until I got to the exit I realised it was the wrong one so I had to go round again’

What about cutting through a service station to avoid a queue at a roundabout? Happens a lot at Wolvercote?

dri-diddly-iver:
It’s blatant queue jumping! Instead of turning right he’s gone all the way round effectively going straight on :unamused:

Nah, It’s using initiative, and he is doing nothing illegal or can’t be proven if accused so.
I done it for years coming into Dundee from Aberdeen, then the ■■■■■■■ s replaced the round about with a lights junction :imp:

Tris:
Saw a nice trick yesterday. I was on the A47 queuing in lane 1 for a roundabout (lane 2 was right turn only) as the dual carriageway became single file after the roundabout. An Hgv came hurtling down lane two, circled the full 360 around the roundabout and exited where everyone else was queuing up for. Not sure I’d have the cheek to do it myself though as it struck me as pretty [zb].

Hey that’s my old party trick from early 2000s I used to battle old boon gate! I posted that a year ago under a thread taking about tricks of the trade. Stole my idea!. I felt I invented it as no one showed me (I know I probably was far from the first but felt like it so I invented it as far as I’m concerned :smiley: ). I had a few more up my sleeve but for another day! The devil makes work for idle hands :smiley:

Stick in the muds quoting regulations are just jealous. Not unsafe, just give way to the right at the roundabout. You snooze you loose :stuck_out_tongue:

Lol I used to do it on the buses everyday :grimacing:

Glen A9:
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/road_traffic_offences_guidance_on_prosecuting_cases_of_bad_driving/#a31

"The offence of driving without reasonable consideration under section 3 of the RTA 1988 is committed only when other persons are inconvenienced by the manner of the defendants driving, see section 3ZA(4) RTA 1988.

This offence is appropriate when the driving amounts to a clear act of incompetence, selfishness, impatience or aggressiveness in addition to some other inconvenience to road users. The following examples are typical of actions likely to be regarded as inconsiderate driving:

  • misuse of any lane (including cycling lanes) to avoid queuing or gain some other advantage over other drivers;"

Using the right lane to do a complete lap to go straight on is gaining an advantage other other road users and impatient and selfish (since it causes additional delay to others), so that offence pretty well covers such manoeuvres.

You can’t class it as misuse of lane, all you are doing is turning right, right, right and right again to go where you were going in the first place, the most that can happen is you’ll get dizzy :laughing: :laughing:

Tris:
Saw a nice trick yesterday. I was on the A47 queuing in lane 1 for a roundabout (lane 2 was right turn only) as the dual carriageway became single file after the roundabout. An Hgv came hurtling down lane two, circled the full 360 around the roundabout and exited where everyone else was queuing up for. Not sure I’d have the cheek to do it myself though as it struck me as pretty [zb].

An bless do you stand and look up in amazement when a plane goes by and howl at the moon at night :wink: :wink: :wink:

Freight Dog:
Stick in the muds quoting regulations are just jealous… You snooze you loose :stuck_out_tongue:

+1

I’m surprised by the OP’s surprise at this manoeuvre. I have done it in the distant past when people are queueing to go straight on and I want to go left but I honestly don’t do it anymore,. Like one poster said, it just causes more of a problem, the more people do it the more problem it causes, oh and I’m paid by the hour now.

As for the Mottram roundabout… If I see anyone doing that and I’m at the front of the queue they tend to get me pulling out in front of them as they come back around to rejoin the same queue for where we have all queued to go, whether it’s right or wrong. It infuriates me Just being honest.