Yes they were Lawrence and eventually took over old established Eden Commercials at Kingstown Carlisle the ERF agents when MAN took over ERF. Eden staff transferred to B&G and were made redundant about six weeks later when B&G went down.
Hope this helps, Leyland 600
Leyland600:
Yes they were Lawrence and eventually took over old established Eden Commercials at Kingstown Carlisle the ERF agents when MAN took over ERF. Eden staff transferred to B&G and were made redundant about six weeks later when B&G went down.
Hope this helps, Leyland 600
Thank you Leyland 600 Regards Larry.
Lawrence Dunbar:
Im sure the were MAN Dealers also before they closed their doors, They allways had a nice fleet of motors whenever you saw them.Regards Larry.
Aye Larry,they were the MAN Dealers in penrith
I was a good pal of George"Hiram" Holliday and I recall him buying the last batch of 10 111’s from Graham Commercials at the time the new model 112/82 was launched in mid '81,Georges 111’s were X reg.Shortly after this time,without going into detail,B & G took Hollidays over which led them into an entirely different type of traffic from the tippers they ran at that time.Shortly after this takeover George joined forces with Geoff Bell to form Bell-Holliday based at Geoffs Carlisle Truck Inn.George eventually parted company with Bell Holliday and restarted on his own account from a depot on Gillwilly estate in Penrith and operated a fleet of DAF’s &flat trailers, successfully, for a fair number of years until (I’m not just sure of the date) abruptly having an auction of all his rolling stock and gear one Saturday morning,if I was to guess it was probably 6 or 7 years ago now.Sadly,George is no longer with us as he passed away a couple of years ago,but he was a great “crack” and he ran a successful haulage and storage business throughout the 60’s and 70’s with quite an intensive operation within the textile industries between Dundee/Penrith,Rossendale and West ■■■■■■■■ he even had the contract to deliver Buses from the Leyland National plant at Workington in the '70’s.However,I will say that I had no time whatsoever for B&G or their two bosses,I was very unfortunate to come into contact with them via MAN who I told in blunt terms I would never consider operating their product as long as those Areosols at Penrith were their local dealer ! 
Cheers Bewick.
Lawrence Dunbar:
Im sure the were MAN Dealers also before they closed their doors, They allways had a nice fleet of motors whenever you saw them.Regards Larry.
Not only in Penrith Lawrence Dunbar, but Carlisle too (now Northeast Truck & Van)
Traded under the name of BorderMan Trucks, which I belive was the oldest MAN dealer in the UK
Kindest regards
CG
barnett and Graham were regulars to S Wales especially Llanwern steelworks and Pilkingtons now Knauf at Cwmbran hauling down lime and sand
Now its Lamberts from Kirkby Stephen or R J Rich at longridge Preston , but those MANs did look the business regards kk
This was an ex B&G Atki which I bought off a dealer when it was about 3 years old,probably around the time they were starting to run MAN’s,it was a decent tractor and did us a good job on McGuffie Transport traffic.
dennis , you might be able to enlighten me here . when edenhall opened their brick plant at buxton b&g set a depot up with some brick cranes . the man in charge was joe swinglehurst , damned good mechanic . when b&g went pop , joe bought the lorries and carried on with about 6 or 7 lorries . a hard taskmaster but paid well . he was prone to explode at any provocation , in fact we wound him up just to see how far he could throw his spanners . did for him in the end , he flew into a rage and dropped dead with a heart attack , sad really , he was a decent bloke . i’ve seen you mention a swinglehurst in your posts and wondered if there was any connection , cheers , dave
Hi Bewick, I was not really involved in haulage in the 1980s so didn,t really know what was going on about Penrith apart from various snippets I got from oor marra.
Cheers Leyland 600
(Wern’t they part of TDG? Seem to remember sending motors in their yard for fuel en route back from the Borders) Just thought I’d mention a very good mate of mine (the late Paul Cook - Cookie) who drove for them for a short while, probably not long before their demise. He was one of their last night men and I’m sure he would start at Penrith and call at Rossendale on the way to Worksop / Notts (palletline/force? one of them anyway.) I worked with Cookie for many years at a few firms (BOC, Tesco, Irlams) and he ended up in Penrith after meeting a local lass at the truckstop. God bless yer Cookie wherever you are pal, we miss you mate.
Bewick:
I was a good pal of George"Hiram" Holliday and I recall him buying the last batch of 10 111’s from Graham Commercials at the time the new model 112/82 was launched in mid '81,Georges 111’s were X reg.Shortly after this time,without going into detail,B & G took Hollidays over which led them into an entirely different type of traffic from the tippers they ran at that time.Shortly after this takeover George joined forces with Geoff Bell to form Bell-Holliday based at Geoffs Carlisle Truck Inn.George eventually parted company with Bell Holliday and restarted on his own account from a depot on Gillwilly estate in Penrith and operated a fleet of DAF’s &flat trailers, successfully, for a fair number of years until (I’m not just sure of the date) abruptly having an auction of all his rolling stock and gear one Saturday morning,if I was to guess it was probably 6 or 7 years ago now.Sadly,George is no longer with us as he passed away a couple of years ago,but he was a great “crack” and he ran a successful haulage and storage business throughout the 60’s and 70’s with quite an intensive operation within the textile industries between Dundee/Penrith,Rossendale and West ■■■■■■■■ he even had the contract to deliver Buses from the Leyland National plant at Workington in the '70’s.However,I will say that I had no time whatsoever for B&G or their two bosses,I was very unfortunate to come into contact with them via MAN who I told in blunt terms I would never consider operating their product as long as those Areosols at Penrith were their local dealer !
Aye Dennis,George was gent and allways had time to chat, he got fuel from us and i went often to his Penrith Depot,like a lot in that area it was a joy to deliver to them.B-G. Hmmm
Dennis , were you competing for the same work as B and G then ?, By your posts they were trying to poach your work ? Im only asking ! dont want you thumping me 
JAKEY:
Dennis , were you competing for the same work as B and G then ?, By your posts they were trying to poach your work ? Im only asking ! dont want you thumping me
No,not at all “Jakey”,we never came into contact with them on the haulage fron’t,plus they couldn’t have "held a candle"to Bewick Transport anyway! fact!.What ■■■■■■ me off completely with those areosols at B&G/Borderman Trucks was this------ MAN,direct from their head office in Swindon (IIRC) persuaded me to take a 6 months Demo tractor,taxed,all we had to do was insure it and put Derv in the tank,AS WELL as taking the motor to the local dealer for it’s first service F.O.C.(of course!) and then again at a pre-determined mileage for a further service F.O.C. again,OK so far ! Well I,personally,took the motor to Borderman at Penrith for it’s initial service.When I checked it in at the reception desk the first question I was met with was “Who’s paying for the service”,yes you read it right!,An MAN owned Demonstrator and these Areosols were asking me,the prospective buyer on THEIR patch who was running 80 Scanias and a dozen Volvos,Who’s paying!!! I said well “are you going to service the ■■■■■■■ thing or do I park it up and tell MAN to “shove it”?” They did service it,but a month later we got a Solicitors letter from the ■■■■■ demanding payment !!! I hit the ■■■■■■■ roof and got straight onto MAN’s and told them to come and collect the poxy motor ! They,MAN,apparently went Ballistic at Borderman Trucks,then I had both Hewetson and Graham on the phone blaming every ■■■■■■ in their organisation but themselves for the “letter”,they swore blind that it shoudln’t have happened as they were both away on holiday at the time! My response,“Bollox”,there is only me at Bewick Transport that would instruct Solicitors so they are/were a pair of lying ■■■■■■■■ !! Now I ask you,would you deal with a bunch of ■■■■■ like that if you got threatened for a bill that was nothing to do with you and you already dealt with a Great firm like Graham Commercials and were running better motors than MAN,Scania,no neither would I.So now you have it why I know from first hand experience that B&G were a bunch of ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ Dennis.
Thanks for the reply Dennis , you are still realing from the M A N experence then?, sounds like they ■■■■■■ you right off .
JAKEY:
Thanks for the reply Dennis , you are still realing from the M A N experence then?, sounds like they ■■■■■■ you right off .
This a photo of the infamous MAN Demo shot here in the depot coupled to a Ross/Youngs Lamberet fridge van,I would think it was standing at the backend of the afteroon awaiting the arrival of Edward Airey the regular night man who would trunk it to Grimsby and back during the night.IIRC this MAN was a full 1 MPG lower than the Volvo FL10 that was on that job at the time and at least one and a half MPG behind the Scania 360 bhp R and P cabs that were also operated on the same job.The “run in” I had with B&G only served to underline the reasons why,at the time,I would never seriously consider any MAN’s on the fleet.Cheers Bewick.
Hi Dennis , did you stand up a drivers truck if he went on a demo truck for a week ? ,did you ever have to bollock a driver for not cleaning his truck etc ?
JAKEY:
Hi Dennis , did you stand up a drivers truck if he went on a demo truck for a week ? ,did you ever have to bollock a driver for not cleaning his truck etc ?
We always shared a Demo across the fleet and used it to replace a motor that might have been in for MOT or a re-furbish and re-paint or we used it on double shift if we were awaiting a new replacement or similar,no we never parked up a fully operational tractor to run a Demo motor.We always did,of course,keep meticulous fuel consumption records as well as driver feed back,which was only fair as we had had unlimited use of an expensive asset so that was the least we could do,even if we had no intention of ever buying one!We never asked for a Demo,they were always offered,unlike some operators I knew who would con a Demo as an FOC replacement for a while !! Yes we did have a number of drivers who were good at their job but were ■■■■■■■ hopeless at keeping their motors clean,well at least on the inside,we used to power wash the cabs and chassis off so as they were presentable on the outside at least.Then we had the vast majority of lads who took a real pride in their motors and you could,litrally,eat your dinner off the floor,now they were a real credit to the old firm ! Cheers Dennis. 
thanks Dennis , I saw you posted a picture of little scania day cab , was that guy happy with her ,i see you said he was a day man , was this local or shunting ?
That wagon looked very clean .
JAKEY:
thanks Dennis , I saw you posted a picture of little scania day cab , was that guy happy with her ,i see you said he was a day man , was this local or shunting ?That wagon looked very clean .
It would be this motor “Jakey”,it came new in March '83 and we ran it on double shift,nights to Daventry and back and then mainly to south lancs and Manchester areas on days.Although in this particular shot it had been up to the Task trailer plant at ■■■■■■■■■■■ to collect 3 new trailers for us.When it finnished on double shift it just ran about on local work tipping and loading trailers,it was a nice reliable motor all the time we had it though,I can’t re-call it ever letting us down.
Yes thats the one Dennis , looks tiny behind those stack of trailers though , he must of struggled with storage of his gear . Did he ever end up on a night away in her ?