pierrot 14:
But seriously though a lot of people once again are going to lose their jobs, probably because of senior management’s errors, greed, complacency, who knows.
Not just in the shops, but the Matthew Clark distribution warehouse staff and dray-men, I think there are about 12 depots in the UK, one that I’ve delivered to is in Park Royal. Sad times for them.
Unless consumption of goods goes down no one really loses their jobs.
You might get another name on your truck. And you might wear a different uniform. You may even get a different wage but you still need men to drive the lorries to deliver the same goods.
If all the bargain boozes close it doesn’t mean people will drink less. They will just buy it from different places meaning that the jobs driving will go to that place.
I wasn’t talking about Bargain Booze shops, which as has already been mentioned, are probably franchises. I was talking about Matthew Clark, a drink warehouse/distributor which is part of “Conviviality” which is the company in trouble. If the parent company has difficulties, then so will all the associated companies that it owns, i.e. M. Clark. They can’t just change the names on the side of the trucks and at the entrances of the depots.
pierrot 14:
But seriously though a lot of people once again are going to lose their jobs, probably because of senior management’s errors, greed, complacency, who knows.
Not just in the shops, but the Matthew Clark distribution warehouse staff and dray-men, I think there are about 12 depots in the UK, one that I’ve delivered to is in Park Royal. Sad times for them.
Unless consumption of goods goes down no one really loses their jobs.
You might get another name on your truck. And you might wear a different uniform. You may even get a different wage but you still need men to drive the lorries to deliver the same goods.
If all the bargain boozes close it doesn’t mean people will drink less. They will just buy it from different places meaning that the jobs driving will go to that place.
I wasn’t talking about Bargain Booze shops, which as has already been mentioned, are probably franchises. I was talking about Matthew Clark, a drink warehouse/distributor which is part of “Conviviality” which is the company in trouble. If the parent company has difficulties, then so will all the associated companies that it owns, i.e. M. Clark. They can’t just change the names on the side of the trucks and at the entrances of the depots.
I get that.
But the product will still need to be supplied unless people are going to consume less of it. I personally can’t see people eating and drinking less so all that will happen in reality is another company will expand. The net result is that people change jobs rather than losing them. It’s not like an industry closing down or moving - people still want to eat and drink. That will always require drivers. In my lifetime atleast.
pierrot 14:
But seriously though a lot of people once again are going to lose their jobs, probably because of senior management’s errors, greed, complacency, who knows.
Not just in the shops, but the Matthew Clark distribution warehouse staff and dray-men, I think there are about 12 depots in the UK, one that I’ve delivered to is in Park Royal. Sad times for them.
Unless consumption of goods goes down no one really loses their jobs.
You might get another name on your truck. And you might wear a different uniform. You may even get a different wage but you still need men to drive the lorries to deliver the same goods.
If all the bargain boozes close it doesn’t mean people will drink less. They will just buy it from different places meaning that the jobs driving will go to that place.
I wasn’t talking about Bargain Booze shops, which as has already been mentioned, are probably franchises. I was talking about Matthew Clark, a drink warehouse/distributor which is part of “Conviviality” which is the company in trouble. If the parent company has difficulties, then so will all the associated companies that it owns, i.e. M. Clark. They can’t just change the names on the side of the trucks and at the entrances of the depots.
I get that.
But the product will still need to be supplied unless people are going to consume less of it. I personally can’t see people eating and drinking less so all that will happen in reality is another company will expand. The net result is that people change jobs rather than losing them. It’s not like an industry closing down or moving - people still want to eat and drink. That will always require drivers. In my lifetime atleast.
Just where you’re wrong!! We’re not talking about the “consumer” here, we’re talking about one of the “suppliers”, one of the suppliers which may now go under and cease to trade/store/deliver!!!. Yes there will always be a supply for the “consumer” from other, lots of other “suppliers”, but my point was that there will be people from “Matthew Clark” that will now lose there jobs, because the parent company that owns them is in trouble.
I suppose in your weird and wonderful world of fantasy, they will just suddenly be transported magically into new jobs, at the click of the fingers .!!
pierrot 14:
Just where you’re wrong!! We’re not talking about the “consumer” here, we’re talking about one of the “suppliers”, one of the suppliers which may now go under and cease to trade/store/deliver!!!. Yes there will always be a supply for the “consumer” from other, lots of other “suppliers”, but my point was that there will be people from “Matthew Clark” that will now lose there jobs, because the parent company that owns them is in trouble.
I suppose in your weird and wonderful world of fantasy, they will just suddenly be transported magically into new jobs, at the click of the fingers .!!
Fair enough - you obviously know more about the transport industry than me. I was thinking more about the net employment than the micro economics of the a personal drivers situation.
Not sure there is need for the insults though. You could have explained without that. You clearly know an awful lot and are a well educated guy - but I’m not sure why you snap so much.
pierrot 14:
Just where you’re wrong!! We’re not talking about the “consumer” here, we’re talking about one of the “suppliers”, one of the suppliers which may now go under and cease to trade/store/deliver!!!. Yes there will always be a supply for the “consumer” from other, lots of other “suppliers”, but my point was that there will be people from “Matthew Clark” that will now lose there jobs, because the parent company that owns them is in trouble.
I suppose in your weird and wonderful world of fantasy, they will just suddenly be transported magically into new jobs, at the click of the fingers .!!
Fair enough - you obviously know more about the transport industry than me. I was thinking more about the net employment than the micro economics of the a personal drivers situation. .
And I was thinking about ALL the employees of Matthew Clark, drivers , shunters, warehouse staff, office employees, cleaners, security guards !! certainly not just about "the micro economics of the personal driver situation " as you put it !!
pierrot 14:
But seriously though a lot of people once again are going to lose their jobs, probably because of senior management’s errors, greed, complacency, who knows.
Not just in the shops, but the Matthew Clark distribution warehouse staff and dray-men, I think there are about 12 depots in the UK, one that I’ve delivered to is in Park Royal. Sad times for them.
Unless consumption of goods goes down no one really loses their jobs.
You might get another name on your truck. And you might wear a different uniform. You may even get a different wage but you still need men to drive the lorries to deliver the same goods.
If all the bargain boozes close it doesn’t mean people will drink less. They will just buy it from different places meaning that the jobs driving will go to that place.
I wasn’t talking about Bargain Booze shops, which as has already been mentioned, are probably franchises. I was talking about Matthew Clark, a drink warehouse/distributor which is part of “Conviviality” which is the company in trouble. If the parent company has difficulties, then so will all the associated companies that it owns, i.e. M. Clark. They can’t just change the names on the side of the trucks and at the entrances of the depots.
I get that.
But the product will still need to be supplied unless people are going to consume less of it. I personally can’t see people eating and drinking less so all that will happen in reality is another company will expand. The net result is that people change jobs rather than losing them. It’s not like an industry closing down or moving - people still want to eat and drink. That will always require drivers. In my lifetime atleast.
But another nationalise company can do same amount of job and use much less people,truck.Simy they will fill more full own truck,they will use own warehouse,managers.More biggest company,less people required.
Yeah i heard that on todays news, the £30 million tax bill must be an awful headache…as the taxman always gets his money first…to be honest…i couldnt really care who goes bust, i do have sympathy for the staff though, but as said previously, if they go under, theres always another to fill their boots…the consumption wont go down, the suppliers wont dry up, and we the consumer will always find somewhere to buy what we want, even if its a bit more money…times are hard…the big guys will always find pickings from those who are vulnerable…thats nature…roll on the next cheap supplier…Super cheap booze
rob22888:
Isn’t Bargain Booze a franchise? If Bargain Booze go pop shopkeepers could presumably just join another franchise such as Premier (Bookers)/Best One (Bestway)/One Stop/Nisa/Londis etc. so not all is lost.
Tesco own One Stop and have recently taken over Bookers which I assume means Premier as well.
Matthew Clark supply an awful lot of pubs and breweries.
I don’t have a problem with losing Bargain Booze and many other off licence/supermarket who supply alcohol at discounted prices. I was brought up in a pub, have spent most of my working life in pubs and now my enforced retirement will be spent in a pub.
Pubs are closing at the rate of 50 per month, Micropubs are expanding. I have no issue with a specialist wine shop or a shop selling exotic spirits and liqueurs.
What has killed pubs is extra strength ciders and lagers at 30pence a can.
Alcohol is supplied through the bonded warehouse system with duty ie tax to be paid when it enters the retail supply chain,I wonder if this is the £30m problem?
The pub side of it if no buyers can be found would probably be absorbed into the network of either Kndl or Tradeteam,the shop side is doomed though,the supermarkets can sell it much cheaper then anyone…
pierrot 14:
Just where you’re wrong!! We’re not talking about the “consumer” here, we’re talking about one of the “suppliers”, one of the suppliers which may now go under and cease to trade/store/deliver!!!. Yes there will always be a supply for the “consumer” from other, lots of other “suppliers”, but my point was that there will be people from “Matthew Clark” that will now lose there jobs, because the parent company that owns them is in trouble.
I suppose in your weird and wonderful world of fantasy, they will just suddenly be transported magically into new jobs, at the click of the fingers .!!
Fair enough - you obviously know more about the transport industry than me. I was thinking more about the net employment than the micro economics of the a personal drivers situation.
Not sure there is need for the insults though. You could have explained without that. You clearly know an awful lot and are a well educated guy - but I’m not sure why you snap so much.
I think the point being made is that, while it is true the stuff still needs to be delivered to service the demands of the consumers so nationally the amount of booze being shifted stays the same, the other operators in the same game will be able to cover the majority of it by simply adjusting the runs they are already doing and maybe taking on a few extra drivers/trucks at some of their depots to fill in the gaps. The total number of people employed will almost certainly fall significantly (no need for all the Bargain Booze warehouse/management/back office people for a start) and in any case, the “new” operators’ depots are unlikely to be located nearby to the now defunct Bargain Booze depots, so the existing drivers won’t be able to take up the few additional driving jobs that are created. Net result is that the vast majority of the Bargain Booze workforce finds itself redundant. That’s a couple of thousand families finding themselves without a regular wage, which is a bit of a ■■■■■■ by anyone’s standards.
If you owe £271.30 to the revenue, they will pester you for ever with death threats, if you owe £30m they will help all they can with government bailouts.
It’s comical really, the biggest percentage of fuel and alcohol costs are tax and they have got that wrong.
