To attend periodic DCPC training you must have the following documents
VALID PHOTO CARD LICENCE
PAPER COUNTER PART with issue number to match photocard
or
VALID PASSPORT
VALID OLD STYLE PAPER LICENCE
Those are for the ID check.
The trainer must also check the candidate holds a valid category which would be something beginning C or D
Can’t say I agree with these rules. Banned or not you can still attend training and still learn ready for when your licence comes back.
You could attend the training - but it wouldn’t be able to count as DCPC.
Well it’s taken some time, But i now have an answer from the horses mouth.
Yes you need your licence in hand for the trainer to check it etc.
The courts no longer need to physically take your licence as everything is on computerised records, So you can keep hold of your now worthless licence.
When you attend a DCPC course, Your details will go forward for the Dcpc upload. The Dsa will write to you and explain that they can’t issue a card at the moment, You then have 28 days to request an indefinate deferment. You will then recieve your driver card after your ban has ended.
To attend periodic DCPC training you must have the following documents
VALID PHOTO CARD LICENCE
PAPER COUNTER PART with issue number to match photocard
or
VALID PASSPORT
VALID OLD STYLE PAPER LICENCE
Those are for the ID check.
The trainer must also check the candidate holds a valid category which would be something beginning C or D
Can’t say I agree with these rules. Banned or not you can still attend training and still learn ready for when your licence comes back.
You could attend the training - but it wouldn’t be able to count as DCPC.
Well it’s taken some time, But i now have an answer from the horses mouth.
Yes you need your licence in hand for the trainer to check it etc.
The courts no longer need to physically take your licence as everything is on computerised records, So you can keep hold of your now worthless licence.
When you attend a DCPC course, Your details will go forward for the Dcpc upload. The Dsa will write to you and explain that they can’t issue a card at the moment, You then have 28 days to request an indefinate deferment. You will then recieve your driver card after your ban has ended.
Interesting tosee you have an answer.
I have been emailing a Director at the DSA (he’s involved in DCPC). He checked with DVLA and said
"I can confirm that it is not your responsibility to enforce licensing laws. I’d like to think that it would be rare that a disqualified driver had failed to return their licence to DVLA as this is supposed to be done immediately. We’ve requested advice from DVLA on other scenarios around non-renewal of the photo etc. There is nothing to prevent a driver who is disqualified from undergoing non-driving training. However, without them producing a driving licence the trainer is, of course, unable to confirm their identity, and so the training hours should not be uploaded until they are duly satisfied of their identity. Does the training still “count”? As I understand it, if the driver presents a licence which has the appropriate entitlements on it, the DVLA system will confirm these entitlements when the training is uploaded onto the R&E system. So the training will be validated and count."
It all comes down to the fact that the only proof of ID allowed for DCPC is a licence.
I am still waiting for answers to a further query regarding a driver who has sent his licence in and not got it back. it seems the DVLA aren’t very quick to respond.
Is there a difference between Banned (D&D etc) and suspended ( in front of the TC with no tea and biscuits provided) - I would guess a suspended licence means you still hold it but not legally able to use it, so could do the course where as a ban means it has been removed and your not entitled to claim you have it, so cant - genuinley dont know the answer but it seems logical; to me
Rikki-UK:
Is there a difference between Banned (D&D etc) and suspended ( in front of the TC with no tea and biscuits provided) - I would guess a suspended licence means you still hold it but not legally able to use it, so could do the course where as a ban means it has been removed and your not entitled to claim you have it, so cant - genuinley dont know the answer but it seems logical; to me
An argument was put forward at a court regarding the surender of a licence after disqualification. It was decided that under human rights legislation, and the fact that the court can only issue a disqualification within the UK, That a driver may keep hold of his licence, Although it would no longer be valid in the UK. DVLA accepted this, They said as things are now computerised they wouldn’t seek to enforce its surrender in the future.
It was after this that the DSA agreed to defer the upload indefinatly, but this must be done within 28 days of written notification to the driver.
No mention of any difference between a TC ban or court ban. But you wouldn’t have had to surrender your licence after a TC ban.
And no, there isn’t a link. This info has come from…
enough said.
As an ex employer of drivers it sounds very worrying they can be disqualified - but legally retain the licence.
In the last few years I have come across three HGV drivers who had what appeared to be a valid driving licence in their hand, but had actually been disqualfied but not returned the licence.
One of them had 21 points - but the licence in his hand had just three. I found out when the Ploice turned up to find out why I was letting him drive one of our artics. Last I heard he got a 21 month prison sentence.
This is why we turned to checking DVLA licence records at a cost of £5 a time every three months, but a lot of companies wouldn’t be able to afford that.
So - with regard to the DCPC. if the driver has a paper part and photo card licence in his hand at the time of attending then the training can be uploaded - even if he is disqualified. if he has an old style paper licence and valid passport - then training can be uploaded.
What the DSA haven’t yet confirmed to me is whether the licence used as proof of ID needs to be valid. So lets say a medical expiry date has passed, the category C is now invalid. My written instructions from JAUPT say the drivers must have a licence or valid passport - notice it doesn’t say VALID next to licence, just must have one. I asked the DSA if I have to check expiry dates - this was November and the only reply each week is “We are looking into it”
shep532:
So - with regard to the DCPC. if the driver has a paper part and photo card licence in his hand at the time of attending then the training can be uploaded - even if he is disqualified. if he has an old style paper licence and valid passport - then training can be uploaded.
Sort of.
You will put it forward for upload as normal, But the driver will get a letter from the DSA explaining how to get the upload defered.
shep532:
This is why we turned to checking DVLA licence records at a cost of £5 a time every three months, but a lot of companies wouldn’t be able to afford that.
Any company finding themselves in that situation really should consider their future.
shep532:
This is why we turned to checking DVLA licence records at a cost of £5 a time every three months, but a lot of companies wouldn’t be able to afford that.
Any company finding themselves in that situation really should consider their future.
If you were banned and had had until 2014 to get your DCPC, and did something that they made you take a re-test for… would you then be treated like a new driver and have to get you inital qual card ?
Dont the paper licence get done away with in 2015 or something like that ?
Jenson Button:
If you were banned and had had until 2014 to get your DCPC, and did something that they made you take a re-test for… would you then be treated like a new driver and have to get you inital qual card ?
Dont the paper licence get done away with in 2015 or something like that ?
Paper part stays with a UK photocard because of the system that we use and as that is above the EU minimum requirement it is legally allowed
The dcpc rules state that if a driver had any LGV category on 09/09/2009 then they have aquired rights
There is nothing in the dcpc rules that detracts from that point so having a break because of a ban requiring a retest has no bearing
The same can be said if the driver has already passed the initial dcpc
Once in the periodic dcpc system, the driver stays there
That is my understanding
shep532:
This is why we turned to checking DVLA licence records at a cost of £5 a time every three months, but a lot of companies wouldn’t be able to afford that.
Any company finding themselves in that situation really should consider their future.
50 drivers, thats a grand a year which is alot of money!
shep532:
This is why we turned to checking DVLA licence records at a cost of £5 a time every three months, but a lot of companies wouldn’t be able to afford that.
Any company finding themselves in that situation really should consider their future.
50 drivers, thats a grand a year which is alot of money!
50 drivers would generate a turnover in the region of 1.5 to 2 million pounds, So unless you’re margins are incredibly tight, then a brass band is sod all.
