dcgpx:
Kiowan:
Map and sat nav is the best way, map alone makes life hard for yourself, sat nav alone show’s a fairly significant level of ineptitude if you drive anything bigger than a Sprinter.Quite a presumptuous statement saying anyone who uses a satnav only is ineptitude !!
It’s the 21st century ffs, if it works for someone best of luck to them.
I like my gadgets so must be ineptitude - grow up
Big wording 
Don’t know - I’m ineptitude [emoji6]
what does neptitude mean ?
i just think there as thick as pig ■■■■, the sat nav dependants, its been mentioned many times by others who are old school like me, that we remember everywhere we go and its true because we had to watch out for everything we had to use our brains
we would remember roads that are good and most importantly any roads in an area that are no go roads, i have been to the tips of scotland, london, cornwall, ireland etc all over the uk i dont need a map to get to anywhere these days as its all in my memory, all i do need is a bit of info about where the delivery place might be in any given town
but i an tell you all the roads and road numbers for a given route that will get you to the town, i might need a quick look at the map to refresh, so i dont need a sat nav, everywhere we delivered to we always knew the way back out to the motorway
the sat nav guys need them not only to find the places but also to get back out to the motorways again as there not getting anything in there memory’s worse still they will use them again and again even if they have been there before in case they forget
its following sat navs blindly that i think is the big issue but also the dependency on them by many drivers who in all honestly would be lost if they didnt have one
I only started using satvnavs about 6 or so yrs ago, I used to laugh at the younger guys using them but today I would not be without it. I’ve chucked all my A to Z street maps away (partly as they were from the 80s anyway 
, but mostly because I can’t read the small print any more 
)
I use the sat nav as a GUIDE only, in conjunction with a low bridge map, however I do know how to get to most places, but wonder as has already been said, if the guys that rely on sat navs alone will be able to do the same after a few years experience.
I do think that those that totally rely on them are a bit naive, bordering on stupid.
You see more and more council signs in remote rural areas pointing to narrow roads saying ‘HGV drivers ignore sat navs’ I don’t ever remember in the old days signs saying ‘ignore maps’ 
…maybe it has something to do with the less intelligent amongst us who lack common sense.
Based on my theory that one day the GPS sattelites will throw a wobbler and the sat nav wont work I like to plan my route using a mixture of old school and new age techniques.
So I get my next delivery address, my first step is to get tablet out and check the address is correct, if it matches the companies website then we are on to a winner.
Next postcode goes into sat nav, routes calculated and still using sat nav I look at the overview to see what route has been chosen, also zoom in to look at the last mile and try and remenber street names before my final turning.
Now I get out my trusty map book (funny how I never say trusty sat nav), I compare the route the sat nav has chosen and look for alternatives if neccesary based on weight, time of day, known hotspots of congestion, double check bridge heights. I may also choose a longer route if the sat nav has chosen the M25 at any point.
Now tablet comes out again and using streetview and satallite image to pinpoint location I double check the runin route and even zoom out to look at the whole route again trying to remember as much as I can.
ok im away.
Now this works fine in most situations but there are a few instances the sat nav is wrong, sometimes disaster is even on the cards.
One thing I find quite invigorating is to turn off the sat nav on occasion and use road signs and even memory to go places I have been before.
So the sat nav is usefull but dont rely on it, stepaway from it now and again and enjoy the freedom of the open road, heck you might even learn where your going…
I should add its also usefull to make a note of the companies phone number in case the last bit is tricky, be warned though if you should have to ring them pray that a woman doesnt answer. No offence intended to women just they seem incapable of giving directions men folk can understand. Ironicly the voice I choose on me pratt nav is female.
dcgpx- Don’t mean to be pedantic pal, but you should be stating that you are ’ inept '.
Ineptitude is the definition of those who struggle to secure full time employed status. Limper’s. Netto bag clutchers.
Wish I had time to do half of that pre planning!
Not many days I get anywhere near time to do it. Thankfully I’ve learnt most places by now it’s only when a new one pops up the fun begins
eagerbeaver:
dcgpx- Don’t mean to be pedantic pal, but you should be stating that you are ’ inept '.Ineptitude is the definition of those who struggle to secure full time employed status. Limper’s. Netto bag clutchers.
I was being sarky to direpetes rant! [emoji6]
I can’t understand why some people can’t use technology if it’s available. Old school needs to modernise
Sat navs have their place but IME I didn’t learn the routes aswell as when I’ve relied on maps, signage, landmarks etc.
desypete:
we used our maps to plan our way to the town or city we would be heading to, so we knew all the big roads to take in our memory’s normaly we would hit ring roads and stay on the ring roads to come to a major road that would take us to were we would go as we knew we would be safe on the main roads, we would never go down a road that looked tight we would check it out first before going down therethis is where the sat nav nerds lose as they just follow it without thinking
No, that’s where thick people like you lose. The same people who will blindly follow the Satnav down an unsuitable road will follow a map down an unsuitable road.
Why? Because they use exactly the same graphics as maps do. The only difference between the display on a satnav and the pages on a map are the fact the satnav ones move and put an icon on the screen where you are. If you were to print out the screenshot of an area from a Satnav and compare it to a map it would look the same. Both wouldn’t tell you whether the road was suitable for a truck just by looking at the map either produce.
Direpete! I like that. If you add the surname of singer Chris ( The road to hell ), to the first part of that nickname, you also end up with the sum of verbal content he utters too.
These people on here saying they haven’t got time to look at a map and plan their route 
How do you think we managed before sat navs? Don’t say it’s a different now or anything stupid like that. For years traffic has been horrendous in this country but we still managed.
Take the sat nav away from some of these, so called drivers, and they would be in the cr#p.
The main problem with sat navs above anything else is it takes away the thinking for yourself and the common sense of being a driver.
There is a place for both sat navs and maps in today’s industry and to say maps have had their day is absolute cr#p.
That normally comes from those who can’t understand a map and can’t manually plan a route.
If evidence is needed of this then look above at the other ops post i have commented on, 45 minutes trying to read a map and plan a route. Still balls it up and had to rely on the sat nav.! No personnel offence to the op at all as i don’t know him but ffs really
I use both. Go me!
Santa:
“Tory MP for Bridgwater and West Somerset, who warned that “more and more lorries are getting larger and larger.”
that’s my MP. he’s a [zb] who jumps on any passing bandwagon, half the tory party in Somerset tried to get him deselected he’s so popular
Denis F:
Santa:
“Tory MP for Bridgwater and West Somerset, who warned that “more and more lorries are getting larger and larger.”
that’s my MP. he’s a [zb] who jumps on any passing bandwagon, half the tory party in Somerset tried to get him deselected he’s so popular
Not a large passing bandwagon I hope.
sinclair89:
I use both. Go me!
Both?!is that even legal■■?
ckm1981:
sinclair89:
I use both. Go me!Both?!is that even legal■■?
Isn’t that what cruise control was made for? [WINKING FACE]
Kiowan:
Radar19:
Complete nonsense… Do you think everyone that uses a Sat-nav is a div? I have a map, I’ve opened it once in the 8 months I’ve had it. Not got stuck under a bridge or in a field or up a farm track using my Sat-nav.I’m going to hazard a guess that your job either doesn’t involve much variation or keeps you to main routes. Many of us travel all over the place, delivery/collecting from farms, country lanes and all sorts of random places, if I just typed all my addresses into a sat nav and didn’t check my physical map first before heading off i’d have definitely got stuck somewhere by now, even on the turn into many roads they may look ok to start with but soon narrow up, this just isnt’ clear on sat-nav overviews but is on a physical map. Same goes for bridge heights, if you pull a 13’9 trailer every single day then you’re unlikely to hit trouble but you should still be checking your bridges en route using a map, if you switch trailers a lot upto 16ft though so you have more need to remind yourself where the low routes are with an actual map.
Map and sat nav is the best way, map alone makes life hard for yourself, sat nav alone show’s a fairly significant level of ineptitude if you drive anything bigger than a Sprinter.
I’m afraid you are wrong. I do travel all over the place, a lot of the time to new places. Maps are a relic, with Sat-navs and Google Maps satellite/streetview I don’t ever need a map again. I use my map more as a table to fill out my timesheets more than using it to navigate the place.
I’d love to soley rely on Google Maps but on occasions it wont load or can’t find the place I’m after.
