Avoid central London - area on lockdown

[switchlogic]

tommy t:

switchlogic:

cav551:
I don’t want to hear from our security and intelligence services that they have got radicalised or jihadi supporters on their radar, and are observing them. That is a reactive stategy - yes maybe they have been successful so far in foiling major planned incidents - but that is not enough. They need to do more than that and be far, far more proactive; they should be rounding these people up, destroying any ‘British’ passports and putting them on the next 'plane to mecca, where they can be welcomed with open arms by similar thinking people, so they can experience the benefits of life living in Shangri-La under their precious sharia law.

Interesting idea but just not possible, international law gets in the way. You can’t simply make someone stateless nor can they go around locking people up because they ‘might’ do something.

Simple we change the laws to enable us to do this

Ha, yes, because it’s that easy…

[winseer]

raymundo:
Doing the jobs that the white Brits don’t want to do …

“Can’t afford to do” more like.

If you’re the type of person “too proud to claim everything they are entitled to” then you look at the headline rate of pay for a job only. Minimum wages for a 50 hour week. Transport to said job is like an extra 25% tax on top of the near third one loses in tax and NI already. You’ve got less than half one’s meagre wages to live on by the time you get home, and still have to put food on the table and pay inflation-busting utility bills towards foreign-owned firms.

Then you’ve got Mustupha Nooskills who will take that minimum wage job, because living in rented accommodation (of which there’s plenty) - he’ll be able to claim as much if not more in benefits than he’s getting in that basic minimum waged job. Homeless upon arrival. Put up by some of his irk already here perhaps, but still apparently entitled to claim a whole raft of “means tested” benefits.
It’s OK to say to a White person “Sorry bud, you’ve paid in for years, but because you’re still with the mother of your kids, she won’t get income support and you don’t get anything beyond jobseekers which you’ve constantly got to prove you’re “looking and will take anything” to carry on receiving. Perhaps if you moved out?”

Compare that to a household where no one works - and the number of dependents goes up dramatically. I don’t know if anyone succeeds in “double claiming” as well - but it wouldn’t surprise me if they were. Us indigenous folk would consider living 12-16 per house as a bit of a grind. Not if that household’s income is over a grand per week though, with all bills paid on top! That would be over £50pw pocket money to all residents, and that’s just assuming they’re all working age adults. If they’re kids, then you just keep them under 16 for as long as possible, get them into full time education after that, and if that doesn’t work there’s always a successful ADHD diagnosis at the local NHS establishment where the kindly Doctor who’s also one of you - will be all too happy to oblige.

Once out on the streets, it then becomes a case of “The Devil Makes Work For Idle Hands” to cap it all off of course.

[the-snowman]

tommy t:

switchlogic:

cav551:
I don’t want to hear from our security and intelligence services that they have got radicalised or jihadi supporters on their radar, and are observing them. That is a reactive stategy - yes maybe they have been successful so far in foiling major planned incidents - but that is not enough. They need to do more than that and be far, far more proactive; they should be rounding these people up, destroying any ‘British’ passports and putting them on the next 'plane to mecca, where they can be welcomed with open arms by similar thinking people, so they can experience the benefits of life living in Shangri-La under their precious sharia law.

Interesting idea but just not possible, international law gets in the way. You can’t simply make someone stateless nor can they go around locking people up because they ‘might’ do something.

Simple we change the laws to enable us to do this

Oh dear, totmmyt sounds angry. I worry he might flip out and start physically attacking muslims in revenge.
Can you see the problem with having a law to let you arrest people because they “might” do something?
Its unworkable

[winseer]

switchlogic:

cav551:
I don’t want to hear from our security and intelligence services that they have got radicalised or jihadi supporters on their radar, and are observing them. That is a reactive stategy - yes maybe they have been successful so far in foiling major planned incidents - but that is not enough. They need to do more than that and be far, far more proactive; they should be rounding these people up, destroying any ‘British’ passports and putting them on the next 'plane to mecca, where they can be welcomed with open arms by similar thinking people, so they can experience the benefits of life living in Shangri-La under their precious sharia law.

Interesting idea but just not possible, international law gets in the way. You can’t simply make someone stateless nor can they go round locking people up because they ‘might’ do something.

Where would we have been if the UN decided in 1939 that we “Must surrender to Germany immediately” I wonder. There’s no doubt it would have saved lives on all sides. There’s no doubt that if would have facilitated a smooth hand-over of Europe to a uniting ■■■■ power at that time. Better for efficiency and long-term business projects eh? People were not aware of things like the death camps back then either, so the fact that Britain stood up to Hitler - had nothing to do with “doing the right thing, politically correct-wise.”

Of those German Refugees (Not just Jews, but Homosexuals, Special Needs, and of course Pacifists) that got here during the first few weeks of WWII - They would have been under constant guard if not around-the-clock surveillance by the British authorities. Such a stance by the authorities wouldn’t be advertised to the local population much either, who surely back then were a lot more nationalist/bigoted than they are now.

When international law becomes the main part of the problem - we have a choice of either surrendering to it, or ditching it. We cannot repeal it, because we don’t make those laws in the first place.
Who asked the population to bring a lot of those life-changing laws into effect after all?
We rarely get asked anything much at all, really. Even being asked to choose between “Worse and Worser” every five years doesn’t really cut it - does it?

Ordinary people are ripe for change. The Elites - are happy with the way things are.
Then there are those in the middle: The Go-Getters won’t mind taking the upheaval gamble. The future is what you make it as the very architects of that future. The middle people who “don’t like taking risks” though?
They are the ones who vote Remain for no other reason that they are actually afraid of change, even positive change.
Someone has to account for why the Remain polled 48% instead of the anticipated 1%! It was supposed to be something that only directly benefited the liberal elites after all!
One might have expected a handful of working class people to get bullied into supporting remain - by a Remainer boss who threatens to close down the factory “if Remain loses”…
But this notion of expanding the Elitists argument from 1% to 48% is the most appalling piece of “mass hysteria” in our lifetimes - to be sure.

[caledoniandream]

tommy t:
Simple we change the laws to enable us to do this, If they go to train & fight in another country they should not be allowed to return here end of without exception, personally i would take it a step further and remove their immediate families too, thought times call for tough measures and the rest of the eu should be doing the same

And when the looney left nutjobs start squealing about their human rights, we tell them that our human rights are more important and the government needs to grow a spine and do what is should be doing and protect it’s citizens from scum like this

Where do you draw the line?
As a hgv driver you are susceptible to break to law, do we arrest you?, you are under constant surveillance at any time of day.
Do we want to live in a police state?
Anybody who worked in former Eastern Europe, knows the fear.
Everybody who worked and lived in South Africa know the consequences.
We cannot waste time on willy nilly arresting people, who maybe look at the wrong internet sites.
Where we need to spend our effort is on intelligence and preferably international.
Many people will stay under the radar, like with the IRA in the end everybody with an Irish accent was suspect.

Believe me you don’t want to live in a police state where everybody who slightly wanders of the line gets arrested, and get Stassi style questioned.

But we as public are the most important people in intelligence, keep your eyes and ears open.
And report, be aware of your surroundings and any minor changes.

[tiredandemotional]

raymundo:
Doing the jobs that the white Brits don’t want to do …

Doing the jobs that many Brits aren’t allowed to do would be much more accurate. A very large percentage of these garages are under Sri Lankan ownership. It’s absolutely clear to me they discriminate against British people when it comes to employment when you see that the vast majority of their employees are imported from south east Asia. When I travel around the country and I’m in areas where there is no significant Asian immigrant population who serves you then? There’s personal experience of this in my family.

[dieseldog999]

TiredAndEmotional:

raymundo:
Doing the jobs that the white Brits don’t want to do …

Doing the jobs that many Brits aren’t allowed to do would be much more accurate. A very large percentage of these garages are under Sri Lankan ownership. It’s absolutely clear to me they discriminate against British people when it comes to employment when you see that the vast majority of their employees are imported from south east Asia. When I travel around the country and I’m in areas where there is no significant Asian immigrant population who serves you then? There’s personal experience of this in my family.

+1
its only racist to discriminate if your white.
your not getting a job if the hirer is non white.
if their ee,itl go to another one.
i had a female friend go for a job as supervisor in tesco,the interviewer was a ee flipflop…1st question…can you speak polish…shes white and britain looking for a job in tesco uk…when she said no,then she was told most of those working under here would be flipflops,so theres the door.
i know another gir who lived in south africa since she was a kid then returned to belfast…she did all the applications for benifits,got the interview,the interviewer binned her application and told her she would get nothing…but…reapply using her south african passport,and she would get everything going for her and her kid…she now lives in a mega 3 bed front/rear garden house with giros aplenty…
if your a male trollydolly on easyjet then your going to be a limp wrist ■■■ bandit…almost without exception thats the way it is.
reverse racism against white british is the norm nowadays,so either ■■■■ it up and smother…or leave and let the cancer spread till it kills your country

[weeto]

So, who is funding ISIS, seems some know, and perhaps it’s the reason why the west is always having a go at Putin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQuceU3x2Ww aparantly translation is 100% accurate.
Is it the reason why the West won’t stand side by side with Russia to fight global terrorism, Putin asks to fight together, but the West won’t.

[winseer]

I’m not sure if ISIS so much as gets funded by nations and factions unknown…

It’s more a case of “They already have funding by selling Oil from their capured territories”.

Then it’s a case of “Would you trade with ISIS to buy Oil, and if so - at what price?”

So… There are a number of actual countries that WILL buy Oil from ISIS, because those oil tankers are going somewhere. If they were all parked up, not going anywhere because of the so-called international sanctions and blockades we’re told are “In place” - then there would be a big target in the Raqqa area for example for the “Coalition” to bomb…

But it’s not there.

I suggest then, that ISIS Oil gets flogged to ALL neighbouring countries on the quiet.
Those breaching Western embargos - will only be buying it at a deep discount of course.
Those who don’t follow the west’s orders - will be paying full price.

I suggest that China pay full price then,
Israel, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Turkey, and other NATO nations have traders in the region buying it on the cheap via Black Market channels.
The price of Oil has been falling of late, despite the Saudis cutting production. Hmm. Something not quite right here is there?

China are not buying anywhere near as much oil as they were just a few short years ago. Much of it comes straight from Russia now, where they’ve locked in a rather higher price than the current market price.
It would make sense for them to “supplement” their oil income via back channels then. It makes sense for China to be the only nation paying full market price for ISIS Oil. China have maintained a neutrality towards ISIS, looking at how they veto and block “Sledgehammer” actions put forward as motions at the UN.

The UK makes a fortune selling weapons to Saudi Arabia. That lucre being “lost” by diplomatic relations being soured by embargos against THEM - isn’t likely to happen any time soon.
We’ll continue turning a blind eye to any of their traders involved with ISIS then, along with continued civilian death tolls mounting in places like Yemen.
Saudi Arabia though is the “Central” point for the Islamic Ideology that calls itself a Religion
It’s power in the 21st century world is akin to the Roman Catholic power in the world during the Reign of Rodrigo Borgia 1492.

Christianity had a Reformation which kerbed it’s political power a few years later. The Protestant movement wasn’t really making any ground politically (like UKIP now) - until Henry VIII’s history-changing “King’s Great Matter” which saw England withdraw from the Catholic Union, akin to the EU of it’s day. The Reformation saw Britain leave this main body of the Catholic Church, accelerated the rising of the Protestant Movement in Northern Europe , and can be compared to the current desire for those same countries to be leaving the EU right now.

There is no sign on the horizon that Islam will be getting a similar “Reformation” any time soon however. Instead of “Reform” of Islam - we see brutal sectarianism between Muslim countries, which non-Muslim nations should stay well out of - but don’t.

We, the Western “Infidel” powers - get involved when we shouldn’t. Thus, no reforms happen - just civil wars which do no one any favours apart from the criminal underworld.
Consequently, the continued spread of Islam as an ideology, with it’s unholy alliance with the Hard Left who favour wheeling the Trojan Horse in the gates instead of putting a match to it - will be unstoppable in a few short years.

Troy "Burn It!" Scene

How a “wrong” simple binary decision - can bring down a once-noble city to utter ruin.

We can either Ban Islam, Ban the Left (not practical, when parties like the Nazis called themselves “Socialist”), or just keep the hell out of that part of the world.
We’re not waving through North Koreans around our patch are we?
Those coming here say they are running away from Islam, and yet refuse to renounce it once here.
Try and deport them, and it’s “I face a death sentence back home”. Total bull of course.
They are here because a whole previous generation of Lefties has thought it a good idea to make benefits and public services available in this country to people that have pledged no kind of allegiance to British values whatsoever. Even if we’re still going to dish out the benefits, the housing, and the jobs to these people - surely can’t we ask just a small “attitude test” of them, that costs this country and the migrant themselves NOTHING to implement?

[halewood]

the maoster:
It goes without saying that my thoughts go to any innocents who were injured (or worse) here. A part of me however is quite happy that this is a case of the chickens coming home to roost and I’m happy that those in power who make decisions on unfettered and rampant immigration are finally themselves seeing the harsh reality of their liberalism.

Oops.British born and bred,from the EDL/UKIP heartland of Kent and even called Adrian.

[carryfast]

caledoniandream:
Where do you draw the line?
As a hgv driver you are susceptible to break to law, do we arrest you?, you are under constant surveillance at any time of day.
Do we want to live in a police state?
Anybody who worked in former Eastern Europe, knows the fear.
Everybody who worked and lived in South Africa know the consequences.
We cannot waste time on willy nilly arresting people, who maybe look at the wrong internet sites.
Where we need to spend our effort is on intelligence and preferably international.
Many people will stay under the radar, like with the IRA in the end everybody with an Irish accent was suspect.

Believe me you don’t want to live in a police state where everybody who slightly wanders of the line gets arrested, and get Stassi style questioned.

But we as public are the most important people in intelligence, keep your eyes and ears open.
And report, be aware of your surroundings and any minor changes.

So are you saying that Bin Laden should have been kept on watch by intelligence services ?.Instead of being made stateless and eventually hunted down and shot like a rabid dog.The fact is we don’t have the luxury of being able to deal with Jihad in the way that we could deal with misplaced Irish Nationalism.

[dieseldog999]

tommy t:

switchlogic:

cav551:
I don’t want to hear from our security and intelligence services that they have got radicalised or jihadi supporters on their radar, and are observing them. That is a reactive stategy - yes maybe they have been successful so far in foiling major planned incidents - but that is not enough. They need to do more than that and be far, far more proactive; they should be rounding these people up, destroying any ‘British’ passports and putting them on the next 'plane to mecca, where they can be welcomed with open arms by similar thinking people, so they can experience the benefits of life living in Shangri-La under their precious sharia law.

Interesting idea but just not possible, international law gets in the way. You can’t simply make someone stateless nor can they go around locking people up because they ‘might’ do something.

Simple we change the laws to enable us to do this, If they go to train & fight in another country they should not be allowed to return here end of without exception, personally i would take it a step further and remove their immediate families too, thought times call for tough measures and the rest of the eu should be doing the same

And when the looney left nutjobs start squealing about their human rights, we tell them that our human rights are more important and the government needs to grow a spine and do what is should be doing and protect it’s citizens from scum like this
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i reckon that this should be the proper way to ensure muslims are kept in their place assuming there here to start with and we cant get rid of them

[youtube.com/watch?v=BO8EpfyCG2Y]
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO8EpfyCG2Y)

[eagerbeaver]

halewood:

the maoster:
It goes without saying that my thoughts go to any innocents who were injured (or worse) here. A part of me however is quite happy that this is a case of the chickens coming home to roost and I’m happy that those in power who make decisions on unfettered and rampant immigration are finally themselves seeing the harsh reality of their liberalism.

Oops.British born and bred,from the EDL/UKIP heartland of Kent and even called Adrian.

Yep, well pointed out. Not only a terrorist, but a British born TRAITOR terrorist…

Good spot Another smart arse scouser (who can’t even get in at ASDA! )

[mazzer]

The biggest threat to the UK is from the liberal lefties not some nutter who believes in fairy stories at every available opportunity they will do anything that is against the national interest. With regard to the earlier post about making people stateless or deporting them on Wednesday Germany kicked out two German born citizens who held dual nationality they rescinded their German citizenship and are sending them to the country where there second passport is held, and on Friday in Ireland the top court has given the go ahead to the deportation of a man with terrorist links so these people can be deported even under current EU law. The difference being that most countries do not have professional do gooders who despise the very country that they live in, the irony being that should Sharia law become reality in the UK it is these people who will be first in line for having their heads removed as they stand for everything that extreme muslims hate.

[the_nodding_donkey]

I wish you right wing nut cases would get your wish. Unleash a wave of violence and mayhem. I’ll have a whale of a time.

[newmercman]

[tiredandemotional]

the nodding donkey:
I wish you right wing nut cases would get your wish. Unleash a wave of violence and mayhem. I’ll have a whale of a time.

The right wing nutcases are islamic fundamentalists. Can people who oppose that be right wing too?

[ovlov_jay]

TiredAndEmotional:

the nodding donkey:
I wish you right wing nut cases would get your wish. Unleash a wave of violence and mayhem. I’ll have a whale of a time.

The right wing nutcases are islamic fundamentalists. Can people who oppose that be right wing too?

The fundamentalists are indeed far right, just from a different culture. The trouble is, whilst the centre right oppose it, anyone from the left, condemn anyone right of them as being far right. It’s a bad situation we’ve found ourselves in

[franglais]

TiredAndEmotional:

the nodding donkey:
I wish you right wing nut cases would get your wish. Unleash a wave of violence and mayhem. I’ll have a whale of a time.

The right wing nutcases are islamic fundamentalists. Can people who oppose that be right wing too?

“Right Wing” can describe those who are socially conservative and or religiously fundamentalist. Generally those who support the status quo, tradition, oppose change etc. Seems to me there can be “right wing” “nut cases” who are Islamic, equally those who are Christian, or non-religious in the case of nationalism. There can be “right wing” nationalists in the UK as well as, say, Syria, or Israel, the USA or Eire. I dont think any of those examples are overly populated by extremists, but they surely exist in all those countries. I would say its “right wing” to want to oppose freedom of speech and freedom of worship and to seek to dictate any social, or religious, or racial views.

There are problems in giving freedom of speech to those who oppose freedom of speech for others. I dont know of any real solution for that. Its like guaranteeing personal safety and freedom for all by having a police state! The means defeats the objective. We can only ever do away with all risk by living in isolated boxes with no interaction and no real freedoms. Some of the posters on this thread want the state (police etc) to oversee the populace more. Crack down on suspects. How many of them were shouting in other threads about snoopers and cameras, and the high taxes that are needed to fund policing?
It doesnt matter if we were to be oppressed by an Islamic Caliph or a Fundamentalist Christian or an Atheistic Government, they are all "right wing", and would all, through oppression of both opponents and us the population, make us safer. At least thats what they always claim.

[franglais]

OVLOV JAY:

TiredAndEmotional:

the nodding donkey:
I wish you right wing nut cases would get your wish. Unleash a wave of violence and mayhem. I’ll have a whale of a time.

The right wing nutcases are islamic fundamentalists. Can people who oppose that be right wing too?

The fundamentalists are indeed far right, just from a different culture. The trouble is, whilst the centre right oppose it, anyone from the left, condemn anyone right of them as being far right. It’s a bad situation we’ve found ourselves in

We are not in a safe world, but has the world ever been safe? With Twitter, mobile phones with cameras, every incident is reported more than ever and maybe we loose sight of the scale of things? We could end up in a bad situation if we become too intolerant of difference. Those who seek to impose their views and stifle other points of view should be opposed. Opposed within our own democratic system. But to ban all opposition creates more unrest and more hatred and gives more ammunition for the radicals to use against us.