Impractible dreamers? i’d want a dna check from an independent source to search for any human content 
Juddian:
Impractible dreamers? i’d want a dna check from an independent source to search for any human content [emoji38]
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I know what you mean!
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But for many reasons, all coming together now, I think radical change is unavoidable.
If the current systems of social order can’t cope with increasing AI or population growth what’ll happen?
AI is a genie that can’t be put back in the bottle. Western capitalism currently needs an expanding market, but the planet can’t handle that for much longer.
If we can’t use capitalism in the future change must come from another system.
Not today or tomorrow, but maybe a lot sooner than is comfortable. Especially if we don’t start thinking about it now.
jakethesnake:
Sorry gingerfold but I do not think you have done much homework on this subject. I can assure you driverless vehicles will eventually have an almost zero accident rate compared to humans.
Try reading up on how far they have come and how they work and then say humans will do a better job. I bet you will change your mind.
The point is that driverless vehicles don’t have to have a perfect zero percent accident rate, they just have to do better than us, and we are a long long way from perfect.
And Juddian is right; if you are under 50 and want to keep on trucking, get in a job that’s hard to automate. Multi-drop pallets would do as would any kind of home delivery work. Heavy or oversize loads will probably need the human touch for a few decades yet.
If you are delivering cages to supermarkets or trunking between depots, rest assured that someone is looking seriously at how they can eliminate your job.
Santa:
jakethesnake:
Sorry gingerfold but I do not think you have done much homework on this subject. I can assure you driverless vehicles will eventually have an almost zero accident rate compared to humans.
Try reading up on how far they have come and how they work and then say humans will do a better job. I bet you will change your mind.The point is that driverless vehicles don’t have to have a perfect zero percent accident rate, they just have to do better than us, and we are a long long way from perfect.
And Juddian is right; if you are under 50 and want to keep on trucking, get in a job that’s hard to automate. Multi-drop pallets would do as would any kind of home delivery work. Heavy or oversize loads will probably need the human touch for a few decades yet.
If you are delivering cages to supermarkets or trunking between depots, rest assured that someone is looking seriously at how they can eliminate your job.
Home delivery?
Currently “click’n’collect” is looking like a winner to me.
Today it may be little lockers, tomorrow?
A single pallet for your shop? Take your own van to the local sub-hub, back up to the dock and it’ll be auto shoved on the back.
No need for timed deliveries etc. You go when the shop is closed or whatever time is good for you.
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Driverless vehicles have been conceptualised for the last hundred years. I think that lorries could be formed into a “train” and sent out on Motorways to cover distance where there are no pedestrians or livestock.
Santa:
jakethesnake:
Sorry gingerfold but I do not think you have done much homework on this subject. I can assure you driverless vehicles will eventually have an almost zero accident rate compared to humans.
Try reading up on how far they have come and how they work and then say humans will do a better job. I bet you will change your mind.The point is that driverless vehicles don’t have to have a perfect zero percent accident rate, they just have to do better than us, and we are a long long way from perfect.
Arguably it could be the other way around, that the sufficiently good will be the enemy of the better.
If fully-automated vehicles are not appreciably better than drivers, the burden of transition costs and reduced flexibility is less likely to be borne.
And Juddian is right; if you are under 50 and want to keep on trucking, get in a job that’s hard to automate. Multi-drop pallets would do as would any kind of home delivery work.
The easiest way to eliminate labour in home delivery work, is to force householders to travel to a nearby depot of some sort.
Such jobs are also already wide open to all-comers, with extremely low pay and poor conditions, and pay and conditions will fall even further if there is suddenly a flood of people seeking such work.
If this is a trucker’s planned way out, I think they’d better think it out again!
I can’t see it happening unless it’s on a segregated road.
Car drivers and automated trucks will not mix well.
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Silver_Surfer:
I can’t see it happening unless it’s on a segregated road.Car drivers and automated trucks will not mix well.
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Ha, car drivers and ordinary trucks don’t mix well but it’s more down to the way they are driven than the vehicles. 
heres an idea.
they could build seperate roads with some form of guiding line so that all the goods carying vehicles could run seperately and isolated with security.
they could even put in some kind of steering rail or track so that …hang on a min… 
dieseldog999:
heres an idea.
they could build seperate roads with some form of guiding line so that all the goods carying vehicles could run seperately and isolated with security.
they could even put in some kind of steering rail or track so that …hang on a min…
We should have had an integrated transport system years ago, thought of and suitable land purchased by forward thinking politicians, instead of the here today couldn’t really care less about the future chumps we always get 
, because its always been daft to have long distance lorries running on roads parallel to rail lines where so many of the containers or whatever system of fast demountable bodies was decided on, could be carried in huge numbers and lorries used sensibly at either end and at marshalling points along the route, like Freightliner but on a massive well run scale.
So many chances missed.
Franglais:
Santa:
jakethesnake:
Sorry gingerfold but I do not think you have done much homework on this subject. I can assure you driverless vehicles will eventually have an almost zero accident rate compared to humans.
Try reading up on how far they have come and how they work and then say humans will do a better job. I bet you will change your mind.The point is that driverless vehicles don’t have to have a perfect zero percent accident rate, they just have to do better than us, and we are a long long way from perfect.
And Juddian is right; if you are under 50 and want to keep on trucking, get in a job that’s hard to automate. Multi-drop pallets would do as would any kind of home delivery work. Heavy or oversize loads will probably need the human touch for a few decades yet.
If you are delivering cages to supermarkets or trunking between depots, rest assured that someone is looking seriously at how they can eliminate your job.
Home delivery?
Currently “click’n’collect” is looking like a winner to me.
Today it may be little lockers, tomorrow?
A single pallet for your shop? Take your own van to the local sub-hub, back up to the dock and it’ll be auto shoved on the back.
No need for timed deliveries etc. You go when the shop is closed or whatever time is good for you.
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Home deliver might be the winner you expect it to be
bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48536319
Mind you, that article is from june and my amazon crap is still being delivered by a guy in a van. Make of that what you will.
Juddian:
dieseldog999:
heres an idea.
they could build seperate roads with some form of guiding line so that all the goods carying vehicles could run seperately and isolated with security.
they could even put in some kind of steering rail or track so that …hang on a min…We should have had an integrated transport system years ago, thought of and suitable land purchased by forward thinking politicians, instead of the here today couldn’t really care less about the future chumps we always get
So many chances missed.
There were serious attempts made in the 1960s to invest in rail freight - all those marshalling yards and whatnot. But some predictions were misjudged, including the growth in popularity of road haulage, and the amount of domestic industry that would be lost to the rest of the world and replaced with imports.
The problem with intermodal containers was that the vast majority of Britain’s rail infrastructure dates from the Victorian era and wasn’t capable of carrying containers, without another massive investment and reworking of the infrastructure. By time containers became popular, we were well into the era when British Rail had the baggage of past mistakes and was being run down for privatisation, so change has happened since only incrementally and within the constraints of existing infrastructure.
Not so sure so much of our industry was ‘lost’ to the rest of the world, so much i am certain was done (and still being ‘lost’) deliberately to destroy the clout the unions had at one time, sadly poorly led unions at constant loggerheads with equally obtuse management instead of working together for the common good, plus a govt of the day pig headed enough to think that services and financial were The ways to go, all eggs in one basket, whilst flogging off the national silver to pay for it all, such folly.
Juddian:
Not so sure so much of our industry was ‘lost’ to the rest of the world, so much i am certain was done (and still being ‘lost’) deliberately to destroy the clout the unions had at one time,
Agreed.
sadly poorly led unions at constant loggerheads with equally obtuse management instead of working together for the common good,
Indeed. The problem is that the greater authority and initiative always rests with management, and it was they who were constantly driven to provoke all-out industrial war by their self-entitlement and contempt.
It’s true that by the end, workers had become stubborn as mules, but if you’d just spent the past 20 years fighting tooth and nail against the bosses (including against their lies, their threats, and their fearmongering) for the current arrangements, workers weren’t in the mood for giving these things back on account of management convenience or market forces.
plus a govt of the day pig headed enough to think that services and financial were The ways to go, all eggs in one basket, whilst flogging off the national silver to pay for it all, such folly.
Well, that’s probably more recent.
The irony is that people still vote for those responsible. The Tories sold the railways. The Tories sold the post. They Tories sold the phones. The Tories shut the mines. The Tories have slowly let steel go to the wall. And still over half of people will vote for them or their kind.
You won’t find an argument from me there Rjan, sadly the Labour party deserted the genuine working class long ago, Blair and his cronies saw to that, and we really do not have anyone who we could put our faith in to represent our best interests.
Juddian:
You won’t find an argument from me there Rjan, sadly the Labour party deserted the genuine working class long ago, Blair and his cronies saw to that, and we really do not have anyone who we could put our faith in to represent our best interests.
I don’t know, I think people are neglecting Corbyn.
People have spent years bemoaning Labour, apparently wishing it to change, and now it’s entered upheaval and turbulence that have dislodged the reviled party elite, many workers apparently still shrug their shoulders and express hopelessness.
But not total hopelessness with the democratic system, because they’ll still point to Boris and think “hmm, he looks like a man of the people”.
So I’m not sure what the sticking block is. Fear? Masochism?
dieseldog999:
heres an idea.
they could build seperate roads with some form of guiding line so that all the goods carying vehicles could run seperately and isolated with security.
they could even put in some kind of steering rail or track so that …hang on a min…
Here’s another idea…
They could invent vehicles without drivers…hang on a min…