Attracting the young

TONY:
QUOTE: “Always looking for drivers swindon”

NO SUPRISES THERE THEN :exclamation: :exclamation: :exclamation::unamused:

That seems funny Tony, as on another topic on another board, you were talking about an agency that you approached was offering you £8 an hour which you thought was ok.
And lets read this again, i earn £10.40 an hour not £8, i work nights, and saturdays i earn £12 an hour and £15 sunday, and after working 8 hours im on overtime.
Now this may come as a surprise to you, but there are people that actually enjoy the job, and consider it to be well paid, why dont you get your calculator out and work it out, i earn nearly £600 a week gross for 50 hours, or if i wanted to do 40 hours id earn £465 a week gross, now to me that is a very very acceptable wage.
Its people like you that discourage young people from wanting to join this industry with your constant dribble about the job paying so low etc etc, well there are good paid jobs in the industry aswell which ive just given you an example of.
Its quite simple, if you dont like the job or feel that you are being flogged, then do something else and be happy in whatever you do, it would be interesting to hear what you earn as a matter of interest?

Rob K:
I think that anyone wanting to change career from whatever they’re doing to drive wagons is off their head and I’ll do anything I can to put them off it. When the pay and overall conditions improve vastly then I might recommend the career.

I do hope any potential newbies are reading this and it puts you off for life! :

Im 15 and no nothing you have said has changed my mind,
my dad (although he does suport me and says if that is what u want to do then do it) and every other truck driver has said what you have said,DONT become one, but it hasnt changed my mind,i know its not very good money and you get treated badly,but im still going to become a lorry driver.
Lorrys is what i like and thats all i want to do,and to me its the best job.

TONY:
PARDON ME but if it is a good job with GOOD MONEY, Then WHY are they ALWAYS looking for drivers :open_mouth: I rest my case… :unamused:

They currently employ about 110 drivers and would like to see this raised to about 140, most of the drivers that are there have been for years and years, that must say something, and they are gearing themselves up for a 48 hour week with 4 on 4 off looking likely, hence the increase in drivers.

but im still going to become a lorry driver

And here we have the unfortunate fact of life… as bad as this job can be… deep down we all actually like what we do…

I think MAD you have the attitude to be a truly profesional driver…

Glad to have you on the forums :_)

I think you will find the real reason they are ALWAYS LOOKING for drivers is the poor money.Simple as that…With respect Tone…

Any company that is always looking for drivers is in my opinion best avoided.Till they wake up and pay a decent living wage.The guy`s that have been there for years Know nothing else,They will not be replaced by any younger ones with any sense :exclamation: If you go back and read my first posting at the start of this topic you will see why.Cheers. Tony…

TruckNet UK:

but im still going to become a lorry driver

And here we have the unfortunate fact of life… as bad as this job can be… deep down we all actually like what we do…

I think MAD you have the attitude to be a truly profesional driver…

Glad to have you on the forums :_)

Thankyou very much :smiley: :smiley: :laughing:

£8 pounds is the very least i will work for i relented a bit when i said it was ok,but to be fair for driving a 44 tone artic it is FAR from SPARKLING…

So you consider £600 for an 50 hour week to be poor pay then do you?
or £582 to be exact, i dont infact thats bloody good if you ask me, now lets base that on the day rate, £525 on days. and thats for 50 hours, and you are the the one that is always spouting off about 48 hour week and £10 an hour giving you £480 a week, well theres £525 on days for 50 hours or £585 for nights for 50 hours.
So make up your mind Tone, there are some well paid jobs in driving and some people enjoy it, me included, i think its time you had a career change.

Maybe you are right mate,Imust come across as someone who hates this job in fact i don`t, I am just trying to get my point across by using this meadia platform provided for us,in the hope of changing things for the better. I agree there are good jobs out there and things ARE improving for us ,I just feel we DESERVE a lot beter. Thanks Gurn Tone…

And beliive it or not, one thing that attracted me to the job was the fact that i could do long hours and have a bigger earning potential, i have a young son and my mrs is not working as she is at home with him, in my previous job there was no overtime, 39 hours and that was it, i started my first class one job on containers, away all week and it was a salary, it took me 2 weeks to decide that i wasnt going to work my balls off for 70 hours a week and be out all week for a salary of £500 a week gross.
So i quit knowing if i could get a job that was paid by the hour, then id stand a chance of making some money, so the obvious thing to do was start working on the agency for hourly pay, and then taken on by the firm i am with, again for hourly pay, if the money had been salary, then i doubt i would have taken it, as you work all week for the same money.
So give me some credit, instead of trying to mock peoples earnings, and like i said, for someone with such a militant view on poor conditions and wages, it would be nice to hear what you earn.

It is not my intention to mock a fellow driver and WHO AM I to ask another mans income?You submitted this info on here,And to be honest i dont earn what you do because i simply don`t do the hours you do.As a fellow driver you have my respect and if you are happy with your lot then TELL US,Just as I will tell you i am not,Ihave enjoyed our lively exchanges thats what it is all about,Cheers Tony…

The only reason i dont mind sharing with you what i earn, is not to gloat, but simply to illustrate that there is good money to be earnt in this job, otherwise any would be lorry driver reading this would be put off straight away, im sure there are others that earn good money and are happy with there job, maybe a few more should speak up, after all this thread is titled Attracting the Young, and lets be honest we all work for money, some might say they do it for love, well fair play to you if you do, but would you drive your truck for no money? no i dont think so, so love must go out the window somewhere.

Fair comments Gurn,…

Theres just a a few points I would like to introduce here. It is a fact that if you look at some lorry driving jobs, and boil it down to what you get an hour, it can look poor in comparison to some other jobs, and also, it can look good too. I mean, there is little physical graft on the road today, and what there is can easily be avoided if a person is so minded, as I said to someone in a container queue the other day, never mind, we could be digging holes in the rain! So, theres an advantage for starters, and I know that some folk in factories work ■■■■ hard and get even less than we do!

I have had a couple of jobs over the years that have been 50% driving and 50% labour. And Im here to tell you that they didnt pay any better money than sat on me backside watching the scenery go by, and also I was one of the highest paid in the factory! In fact, I was sworn to secrecy as to my wage as the ordinary workers didnt get anywhere near my pay, and they had to do the labour all the time between them dreaded buzzers! I didnt last long in either and though they were 40 hour jobs, I hated them jobs and that lifestyle, so I got out, back slinging a wheel 100% of the time.

If a person is solely after good pay, and nothing else comes into it, id probably agree that lorry driving might not be the best move, but, if there are other things in the scenario, I still say its the best!

I like driving trucks, I like them better than cars in fact! And so its great that I get actually paid to drive them! I like to get about, and be able to eat drink and go to the karzi when I want, I hear no buzzers telling me what to do! I like to sleep a while during the day some days. I have a bed behind me, its great! I like to listen to music, or the radio, I have it all there to use as loud or quiet as I want. I like to see all of the things a person can only see when they are all over the place every day! I like to go in cafe’s and chew the fat with a stranger. I like to see the docks and ships and massive machinery that id never have seen otherwise. I like to sometimes just listen to the diesel rumbling away. I like to see all the other trucks. The dawn and the dusk and all types of weather from my cab. If I want to chat I can, or be silent all day. Daydreaming or concentrate its up to me. Im independant and relatively free. These are just a few of the things tha keep me in the game. And also, I have lived ok on the dosh for 23 and a bit years, have my own home, raised 3 kids and had a life!

My 14 yr old son wants to drive lorries, he can and Im not going to stand in his way, in fact, I’ll encourage it. Its an important job, and has a variety that nothing I know of can match, and Ive done OK for nearly a quarter of a century out of it. There have been bad times and good, laughter a plenty and few tears, someone said to me when I was green, it aint a job, its a lifestyle, he had a point.

As I say, if money is all someone is interested in, I would maybe advise they might look elsewhere, if theyre lucky they’ll get well paid in driving, but likely not so well as some. BUT, if they like independance, a challenge, and all of the things I love about the job, id say go for it, theres nowt like it at the end of the day!

As long as the bailiffs aint at the door, and nobody is dying of starvation, maybe happiness in ones work is something worthwhile? But, ok if money is the sole goal, then go for that instead. We all have to know what we are, and what makes us tick. Square pegs never fit into round holes regardless of what inducement there may be on offer one will be unhappy if they really dont like what they are doing regardless how good the wage, there are jobs that exist that they could never pay me enough money to do!

Mal.

I agree with everything youve said, i enjoy driving lorrys of course aswell which is a bonus, as i was unhappy in my previous job, but on the other hand, when i started containers away all week, i enjoyed the job, if i was a single man id still be there, but like i said, for those 70 hours a week i knew there was more money to be earnt, and at the end of the day as much im enjoying driving trucks and everything that goes with it, in my position with young child and rent to pay, ill go and drive which ever truck pays me the most money at the end of the week, so i can provide for my family and be able to have money in my pocket.

I have to agree with you 100% Mal, I do the job for the job and the fact that at the moment I’m making good money is a bonus. I would rather do a job I love doing for less money than be stuck doing something I didn’t like just because the money was good.

yepp, its pegs and holes Chris, and we as individuals have the freedom to decide what shape peg we are, and find the right hole, its as easy as that really. The great thing with having freedom is also the trouble with it, it comes with self responsibility, we are also free to squeeze ourselves into the wrong shaped hole and ruin our own happiness, we need to be wise as to what we are doing with our lives, and why.

Mal.

Me too Neil, and believe me Ive treid both ways, if youre really unhappy in a job, the money wont sustain it in the end, either that or you just force yourself and risk ending up being the richest miserable man in the cemetary! :slight_smile:

Mal.

I read Mal’s Post and I think he sums up many of the reasons that most of us end up staying in this job. I’ve worked in Warehouses and in Office Jobs, Suit and Tie the full works. In both I end up feeling restricted and end up back on the road.
The best-paid and easiest work does not always mean the best jobs. Sometimes working for a small Family run firm is far better, you’re are made to feel important and not just another driver, but your pay will be lower and you might not drive the greatest piece of haulage hardware. The same with the jobs I don’t like going to an RDC and backing onto a bay. I like the challenge of loading finding small places and getting the truck into a tight space, I also like the challenge of picking up different types of loads that you get with tilts or flats. Hey but I might be a bit strange and I am also single so have nobody indoors wanting a new kitchen or wondering why I can’t get home for the parents evening or comparing my earnings with them over the road.

I think you have hit the nail right on the head there Mal, the reasons you have given for loving this job are the same for most of us.

My eldest boy wants to go into driving too, he is only twelve years old but he is already determined to do it.

I will not discourage him either but I have said to him that perhaps it would be a good idea to learn how to fix 'em first.

He thinks that this is a good idea and now wants to take the truck apart …just to see :open_mouth: :open_mouth:

cheers
STEVE.