What do you expect from a thick ■■■■■ .
italy to liverpool in one hit mad 1300 miles tip no rest but the boat time to do run 30 plus hours you drive that long you give us all bad names you do no that when you drive on eu roads your subjected to eu rules all for a few exra quid in your pocket its your life if you think its worth a few extra quid then nmore fool you cos if you get stopp ed by vosa your the your boss will blame you there will all ways blame the driver
laws are there to protect you as a driver to be safe
and others on the road if you don’t care about the way well do things just don’t drive do somethig else like fipping burgers.
breaker one nine
i was earning the same money 20 years ago . 
had a bit more respect then
when the money comes back .
double time triple time il go more than that extra mile 
till then
ITS JUST A ■■■■ TAKE JOB.
youre expendable is the attitude i get from the mighty ones ,
that s the attitude i give back 
overtime or home these days its home for me .that loads not my prob its youres
Not really bothered about the money, do it because I love it. As for boss blaming the driver, that doesn’t happen, they don’t get the chance. VOSA know full well what the company I work for does and we get stopped all the time! Think we must be at least in the top 3 of their hit list.
Anyhow, I’m off to sleep for a couple of hours. Toodle pip.
NO MATTER WHICH WAY YOU CUT IT, EACH TO HIS OWN, LIVE AND LET LIVE!!!
switchlogic:
Well I must say the responses to this are exactly what I’d expect from a forum aimed at British drivers! There is no get up and go in the UK anymore. All I ever hear is drivers finding excuses, mostly pathetic ones, not to do the work they are given. I’m English but work for an Irish company. Have never worked for a British company or for that matter a legal one and never want to. Just because you boys running from RDC to RDC cant stay awake for a couple of hours at a time doesn’t mean none of us can. I can quite happily do Italy to Liverpool in one hit and still be more awake than most UK drivers after a 9 hour shift.
Well your experience is certainley different than mine. I’ve seen plenty of guys given unrealistic schedules, and if you’re going to give your example of Italy in one hit then i reckon you’d be in a minority who are able physically to do it, i certainley couldn’t.
switchlogic:
A lot of you seem to think you risk your licence if you go 10 mins over, take it from me, thats certainly not true.
Maybe its not true, but do take your credit cards with you when you pass switch island after the Spring when the on spot fines are in place 
switchlogic:
I get paid well and I love my job. Ireland is a richer country than the UK now if you go by GDP. Amazing when you consider where they were 20 years ago and all because they have the get up and go to do it.
Its nothing to do with get up and go. Land here is so expensive, too expensive in fact to farm beef and grow mushrooms which is a lot of what Ireland exports.
switchlogic:
Great Britain was once the most powerful nation on earth which built the biggest empire the world has ever seen and saved the World in 2 world wars and now we are just a bunch of moaners.
Maybe it was but as someone else pointed out, it was won by the Americans
switchlogic:
This is not me trying to wind people up, just my views, not intrested in angry responses.
Funny that, i actually thought you where drunk !!
Breaker One-Nine:
After being a member of this forum for a short while now, checking in whenever I can, I cannot help feeling that many of the drivers here,and the views expressed are probably representitive of the wider driving community that you lot are all out for yourselves and yourselves only..
I’m seeing the same thing as you mate, there’s to many out there that know there rights and just what they should and shouldn’t do. Thats why i reckon the countrys in the mess its in, its nothing to do with a global financial crisis its all because of drivers with an attitude, but i reckon there’s no way they would dare say that on News at Ten !! I’m like you, i’m old school and all i want to do is get the goods to the customer, money and a social life comes way down the list, after all why drive a truck if you want good money and a life? There’s plenty out there don’t think like me and you though , there actually some right nutters out there, and i don’t mean mad in a good way i mean mad as in really mad !!! You know, lights on and no ones in type guys, loads of them!
I agree with the original post to a certain extent, I would class myself as a willing & hard worker, BUT that would leave me open to being exploited by a money grabbin boss, so in that case I would then do my job, properly of course, but not any more work than I needed to. If however my hard work was being recognised by money or even by a thanks for your efforts, here’s a nice run to… then it would be worthwhile in my book, at the end of the day though I’m at work & therefore I’m there to earn money.
The other side of that coin in these days of economic turmoil is that the harder you work, the more chance your company has of staying in business.
I used to work in a very busy traffic office & half the drivers would spend more time avoiding a job than actually doing it, that is the attitude that the original post was getting at, I think 
I feel that the original poster of this thread is in some part correct, as is switchlogic as are many other comments.
For a start it is not only Drivers, it is every aspect of industry.
It is also not only English, many more nationalaties around the globe are the same to a certain degree and you will always get the jobsworth and lazy gits all over the world.
I think it is more noticeable in the UK right now, because there has been a sharp and somewhat sudden shift of late, this is in response to the silly H&S regs and the sillier PC regs. There becomes a point at which enough is enough and the bull from all the suits is no longer viable in a working environment, this is because the suits are not directly involved with the environments that they create/police/maintain/develop/improve etc.
Now, the only way in which anyone on the shopfloor can protest, is to work by the new rules, take them to the letter of the law, after all, this is what we are told to do…We are not even allowed to protest anylonger for fear of losing jobs or benefits from employer.
I for one am not surprised at the behaviour of some and do not always blame them, for many have been socially engineered to react in the way that they do.
It is all a psychological response and that will differ from each individual.
I don`t think it is as bad as the author of this thread and switchlogic say though, I feel that they have just focused on this particular aspect of English behaviour for personal reasons, as I said, we are all different.
I know what I am talking about here, as I gave up a very well paid job as an operations manager in July and had seen the company through expansion until the communication problems that beset a large company became unbearable with political infighting and everyone having to do their job in a ‘prescribed’ manner…I don`t do anything by numbers, I put my heart and sole into it and once that is perceived to be a number I leave…I have now done it three times in my life…The alternative is to become a jobsworth and/or lazy, my life is too precious and short for me to do that.
All I’m going to say on this is that if you think there is “loyalty” between you and the company for breaking your balls to keep them in their over inflated pay packet you are truly mistaken.
I did a first class job for my last company over 7 years. I never had an accident, hardly ever went sick, had to work EVERY weekend sacrificing MY quality of life, got TOLD when I had to have my holiday, worked every Christmas apart from Christmas Day, etc,etc and when I left I didn’t even get a “best wishes” card or even a handshake from half the managers.
The company I left them for made me redundant a few weeks ago with NO notice and then told me they couldn’t pay me for the holiday I am owed, the last weeks work and the pay in lieu of notice.
I work hard and to the best of my abilities because it’s the way I am, I do things the best I can because of self pride, not because of some romantic idea that you are helping out the company. ALL companies are the same. They will get rid of you without a moments hesitation even if you are the best guy they have ever had, just to save a few quid on their profits or to indirectly help keep them in a job.
The only person I have any loyalty to is myself. If someone asked me to do extra work for nothing to help them out I would tell them to get on their bike. I don’t work for nothing, I need to put food on the table. Good will doesn’t pay my bills.
We live in a global economy, if your employer wants a service then they should pay for it.
Breaker One-Nine:
After being a member of this forum for a short while now, checking in whenever I can, I cannot help feeling that many of the drivers here,and the views expressed are probably representitive of the wider driving community that you lot are all out for yourselves and yourselves only.I’m basing this accusation on many many comments thoughout this forum where you will quote some law, regulation or directive in order not to do what your boss requests you to do.
Have you ever thought about just getting on with it and getting the job done? Instead of finding some way of getting out of work? Doing an extra load or shift when things are busy? Staying on helping with loading, tipping or shunting? The way I look at it is my pay comes from the loads that we collect and deliver. If we don’t do the loads then where does our pay come from?
Basically I apply what John Fitzgerald Kennedy said in his inagural address to my working life. I look to see what I can do for my company as I know my firm will pay me for the work I do. I also take great pride in my work.
If you look at what you are going to do as opposed to what you are not going to do then things might start to improve.
I went out on a two day trip the other day, was a real short notice thing and someone was out in my lorry so had to take a real scapper in the yard. I had nothing with me at all! No maps, phone chargers, Sat-Nav, Food, Clothes or Bedding. Slept on the bunk with my coat around me. How many of you would do that? I didn’t want to but I got on with it as the load needed to get there. Wasn’t plesant but at the same time it wasn’t gonna kill me. You lot cannot park up without being in a service area next to toilets,showers and 24hour shops.All I’m saying is that in order to get this country off its ■■■ and back on to its feet we need a major attitude adjustment. Look at what you can do as opposed to what you won’t do.
As long as there’s knobs like you around the gaffer leaves blokes like me alone!
Breaker one nine, a good company (and yes I’m lucky enough to work for a good company) would not put untold pressure on a driver to get the job done. A good transport company needs every part of the jigsaw completed to truelly run effectively, from MD down to Driver. If any company I worked for tried to put pressure on me to do a job then I would cease to work for them, especially nowadays when there is so much legislation in place.
Drive Bent NEVER
Night out with no creature comforts NEVER
Allow myself to be Bullied NEVER
I’m afraid its people with your attitude that has helped to keep drivers as second class citizens. You wouldn’t expect a worker in any other field to break the law to make a living, why should we be any different. I could just magine the uproar if an electrician came round your house and put some silver paper around the fuse because he didn’t have one with him.
We do an extremely hard, stressful job, lets not add more pressure by acting improperly, we have sleeper cabs fitted with bunks and carry night out gear so that we can be properly rested as not to be a danger to ourselves and other road users, to night out with nothing but a coat to wrap around yourself is nothing short of criminal…
Lets hope this was just a wind up.
EnglishTrucker:
All I’m going to say on this is that if you think there is “loyalty” between you and the company for breaking your balls to keep them in their over inflated pay packet you are truly mistaken.I did a first class job for my last company over 7 years. I never had an accident, hardly ever went sick, had to work EVERY weekend sacrificing MY quality of life, got TOLD when I had to have my holiday, worked every Christmas apart from Christmas Day, etc,etc and when I left I didn’t even get a “best wishes” card or even a handshake from half the managers.
The company I left them for made me redundant a few weeks ago with NO notice and then told me they couldn’t pay me for the holiday I am owed, the last weeks work and the pay in lieu of notice.
I work hard and to the best of my abilities because it’s the way I am, I do things the best I can because of self pride, not because of some romantic idea that you are helping out the company. ALL companies are the same. They will get rid of you without a moments hesitation even if you are the best guy they have ever had, just to save a few quid on their profits or to indirectly help keep them in a job.
The only person I have any loyalty to is myself. If someone asked me to do extra work for nothing to help them out I would tell them to get on their bike. I don’t work for nothing, I need to put food on the table. Good will doesn’t pay my bills.
We live in a global economy, if your employer wants a service then they should pay for it.
Excellent post …Seconded.
Breaker One-Nine:
After being a member of this forum for a short while now, checking in whenever I can, I cannot help feeling that many of the drivers here,and the views expressed are probably representitive of the wider driving community that you lot are all out for yourselves and yourselves only.I’m basing this accusation on many many comments thoughout this forum where you will quote some law, regulation or directive in order not to do what your boss requests you to do.
Have you ever thought about just getting on with it and getting the job done? Instead of finding some way of getting out of work? Doing an extra load or shift when things are busy? Staying on helping with loading, tipping or shunting? The way I look at it is my pay comes from the loads that we collect and deliver. If we don’t do the loads then where does our pay come from?
Basically I apply what John Fitzgerald Kennedy said in his inagural address to my working life. I look to see what I can do for my company as I know my firm will pay me for the work I do. I also take great pride in my work.
If you look at what you are going to do as opposed to what you are not going to do then things might start to improve.
I went out on a two day trip the other day, was a real short notice thing and someone was out in my lorry so had to take a real scapper in the yard. I had nothing with me at all! No maps, phone chargers, Sat-Nav, Food, Clothes or Bedding. Slept on the bunk with my coat around me. How many of you would do that? I didn’t want to but I got on with it as the load needed to get there. Wasn’t plesant but at the same time it wasn’t gonna kill me. You lot cannot park up without being in a service area next to toilets,showers and 24hour shops.All I’m saying is that in order to get this country off its ■■■ and back on to its feet we need a major attitude adjustment. Look at what you can do as opposed to what you won’t do.
There’s a huge difference between helping out/being a good employee and being a mug, and it is clear that you fall in the latter bracket. I mean, who in the right state of mind would take a truck out on a night-outer with no kit or anything? 
To be honest I don’t begrudge people who run bent as long as 1. they do it safely (ie. not having to use matchsticks to keep their eyes open) and 2. they’re doing it for a nice slab of extra cash, and I don’t mean an extra ten or twenty quid - I mean a decent amount that makes it worthwhile if you get caught and fined.
What I don’t agree with are the drivers that run bent for no extra money like it’s the norm or something. These are the ■■■■■■■ that are the mugs and are ■■■■■■■ it up for themselves, their company and everyone else. If the money’s right I’ll do pretty much anything, but it’s for my benefit not someone elses.
And to round off, EnglishTrucker’s post summed up perfectly my own thoughts on this so-called loyalty you speak of, breaker-19. If you truly believe that it exists then you really are deluding yourself and being taken for a ride.
OMG I agree with Rob K, WTF is going on Rob, you’re the ultimate wind up, you losing your touch dude?