Yes, it was the Guardsman cab I was thinking of and mistaking it for the possible Clearview name, the Bulwark pic came to mind, I knew I’d seen it somewhere. I would think the name Clearview is likely a mistake by someone describing the Viewline. This is one reason I’m wary of searching the Internet for answers, quite often you can find what your looking for but it doesn’t always mean what is written is correct. The debated Foden Sabrina, ERF Mickey Mouse, Sputnick, Spaceship examples have already brought about much headscratching and as my original post seems to have pointed out, many areas of the country refer to the Atkinson nickname as ‘Atki’ whereas I wrongly presumed we all pronounced it ‘Aki’.
There is no doubt vehicle names, especially nicknames that the makers did not promote, can vary throughout the country and be written about and talked about differently, some prefering one name and some another. The LAD cab is another typical example, it was first promoted as the Vista-Vue, yet that name is hardly ever used to describe it. In the case of the Bodyline unless some written original Atkinson material can be found then the reason it was given the name can only be attributed to the various Commercial Vehicle books written where these names appear but I would be cautious of anything that comes up on the web. Franky.
240 Gardner:
B1 GGK:
Up at the factory it was generally Sedd Atki.Wrong factory
Someone also mention Oldam when I am sure it was Walton Le Dale
The Easy answer is that Atkinson Vehicles can be forever known as Atki or Atkinson while the bloody things from OldHam shall always be known as Sudden Accidents
Atki Borderer has a sort of ring to it, you rarely heard them called just Borderer or Leaders
Wheelnut Atkinson at Preston, Walton le Dale if you prefer Seddon at Oldham. Crow.BTW next door to Seddons was Boden trailers.
Knowing the Aussies they had a few names for them too 
VALKYRIE:
VALKYRIE:
Atkinson Bodyline,Viewline ,Guardsman Cabs,Etc.Bassman:
Hi, All,Do we have an Atkinson “historian” on this thread?
I have seen and driven a few of the cab versions that Atkinson produced, but today whilst glancing through a new book in one of our larger bookstores. I came across a picture of a 4x2 Atkinson unit at the 1964 Earls Court show that was fitted with a "Clearview " cab. No. not the Viewline cab, “Clearview”.This is a new one to me , has any one any info or photo’s . It wasn’t a bad looking cab for the period , did it go into production or was it experimental?
Cheers Bassman
Hello. 240 Gardner is the Atkinson Historian,and I shall be very interested in his comments on the “Clearview” Cab. I cannot remember coming across this cab before…it’s a new one on me too.
However,are you sure that the author of the book that you were browsing though is correct in naming the cab (whatever it is) “Clearview”? What is the title of this book? And the name of the author? Please.
Is it this book?:-
google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt … g&dur=1562Or this book?:-
amazon.co.uk/British-Lorries … 1845842111Or this book?:-
amazon.co.uk/British-Lorries … pd_sim_b_4Or this book?:-
amazon.co.uk/British-Lorries … pd_sim_b_4The Atkinson Bodyline Cab:-
flickr.com/photos/63211677@N … 821406@N24The Atkinson Viewline Cab:-
flickr.com/photos/16693939@N07/7718764226/The Atkinson Guardsman Cab-Model:-
google.com/imgres?q=ATKINSON … x=82&ty=67Now then.Was the cab on this one-off Guardsman 4x2 Tractive Unit model called the Clearview? - it didn’t have a central pillar in the middle of the windscreen.It was a one-piece windscreen,hence the Clearview name.
And hear is an export Atkiinson 6x2 lorry which has similar cab to the Guardsman’s cab - but it wasn’t a Guardsman cab:It was a locallly built South African cab:-
flickr.com/photos/39624596@N02/6930296688/VALKYRIE.
Atkinson Bodyline,Viewline ,Guardsman Cabs,Etc.
Further to my above second post on this Atkinson thread,I’ve been doing some reconnaissance work on the Internet searching for intelligence (in RAF and USAAF- speak) on references to the Atkinson “Clearview” Cab.
I’ve come up with one reference to the Clearview name - the photographer must have read the same book as you,Bassman…:-
flickr.com/photos/wyliefox/7723748536/
However,the almost universal name for this cab model is Viewline
flickrhivemind.net/Tags/viewline
VALKYRIE.
by Frankydobo » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:23 am
Yes, it was the Guardsman cab I was thinking of and mistaking it for the possible Clearview name, the Bulwark pic came to mind, I knew I’d seen it somewhere. I would think the name Clearview is likely a mistake by someone describing the Viewline. This is one reason I’m wary of searching the Internet for answers, quite often you can find what your looking for but it doesn’t always mean what is written is correct. The debated Foden Sabrina, ERF Mickey Mouse, Sputnick, Spaceship examples have already brought about much headscratching and as my original post seems to have pointed out, many areas of the country refer to the Atkinson nickname as ‘Atki’ whereas I wrongly presumed we all pronounced it ‘Aki’.
There is no doubt vehicle names, especially nicknames that the makers did not promote, can vary throughout the country and be written about and talked about differently, some prefering one name and some another. The LAD cab is another typical example, it was first promoted as the Vista-Vue, yet that name is hardly ever used to describe it. In the case of the Bodyline unless some written original Atkinson material can be found then the reason it was given the name can only be attributed to the various Commercial Vehicle books written where these names appear but I would be cautious of anything that comes up on the web. Franky.
VALKYRIE replies:-
If you carefully read Bassman’s post and my posts in reply to him,Bassman says that he became aware of the Clearview name for the Atkinson Viewline Cab in a book on lorries that he was browsing through in a big book shop over the weekend. Bassman did not come across the Clearview name on the Internet
I was determined to find out exactly what this Atkinson Clearview Cab was/is,so I set up links on lorry books and photographs of various Atkinson cab models in the hope that Bassman and other people would solve this mystery. As I pointed out in my last post,I did an Internet search
for any references to the Atkinson Clearview Cab - and I actually found a reference to the Atkinson Clearview name,and I said “the photographer must have read the same book as you,Bassman …” This “Clearview” Cab has turned out to be the Viewline Cab.
I can only assume that A.either the author of the book has mixed up and kind of half-remembered the Viewline name,so it came out as “Clearview”,or B.Clearview was a local name used in certain parts of the country. But,as it’s already been pointed out by many people,the Internet is breaking down the information barriers and making information universally known to everybody,and not just to certain people.
Of course,the Internet currently does not know everything,and some of the information is wrong and/or not exactly correct.But the Internet is one of the greatest inventions of Humankind of all time! 
And the Internet has helped me and millions of other people countless times!
The printed word,ie books,magazines,newspapers,etc,is another landmark invention of Humankind,but,as we all know,it is not infallible:Loads of mistakes have been made by writers and authors in their articles and books,etc. And this includes authors who have written books and articles on motorcycles,cars,lorries,motorcoaches,buses,etc,such as Alan Townsin,S.W.Stevens-Stratten,Wobbe Reitsma,Peter Davies,Gavin Booth,Pat Kennett,Nick Baldwin,Nick Georgano,etc.
As the great jazz musician and big band-orchestra leader,Artie Shaw,said:“I’m not sure about anything that I read anymore”.But,in some respects,that is taking things to the extreme.But you should always be broadminded.
But,with some exceptions,the information on the Internet and in books,magazines,etc,is generally reliable
Because the Internet is so universal,official names,model designations and nicknames for commercial vehicles,such as Atki,Foden Sabrina,Mack Cherry Picker,Foden Spaceship,Freightliner Bubble Nose,Kenworth Bull Nose,Foden Sputnik,Peterbilt Bubble Nose,Atkinson Skippy,Morris/Austin FG Threepenny Bit,Atkinson Panoramic,Kenworth T600,etc,Aardvark,Peterbilt Bullet 352/362 Darthvader,Renault Magnum High Tower and so on are gradually becoming so well known to all commercial vehicle,lorry and motor truck enthusiasts - and are being used by these enthusiasts
And these facts will apply to future generations
VALKYRIE.
hiya,
I am and always have been an ATKI man, who’s turn is it to get the “Ts” in??.
thanks harry, long retired.
You can be excused Harry as your an affiliated Geordie! Now what about those Tea’s with a little drop of Brandy! 
Frankydobo:
You can be excused Harry as your an affiliated Geordie! Now what about those Tea’s with a little drop of Brandy!
hiya,
Well if you insist, I’ll have a double both in the same cup please.
thanks harry, long retired.
Hi Valkyrie, Franlydobo& 240
Many thanks for the interest shown and replies sent to my query.
First, Valkyrie ,the book was “British lorries since 1945” which is one of the books provided in your links.The photo you refer to is of a “Viewline cab and that particular vehicle belonged to a member of this forum.
Frankydobo , the photo in the book is of a Bulwark vehicle and does show a ■■■■■■■ badge below the radiator. I have since found the same picture on a vintage Atkinson site with Photobucket reproduction.
240 , you seem to be very knowledgeable about Atkinsons can you shed any light on why that cab (the Clearview) was only a one off . Was it an experiment for the Viewline, did it contravene someone elses patent was it found to have structural faults.? As I said it seemed to me to be a very modern cab for the era it was in.
Now one more query . In the same book is a picture of an Atkinson owned by DMT of Lincoln that is fitted with a Ruston air cooled engine. It is shown coupled to a low loader and has the cab which they tried to do away with the big"A” on, I can’t remember the name but there is an 8 wheeler tanker with a drag in Castrol’s colours doing the show circuits with the same cab , if that is of any help identifying the model. can you shed any light on the one with the Ruston engine fitted?
Cheers Bassman
Did we mention the Krupps cab?
Bassman, the Castrol motor you refer to is below and fitted with the so called Bodyline cab of which there has been some mention of, Peter Davies also refered to the cab as the ‘Tin Front’ (not to be confused with the AEC of that name). His book British Lorries of the Sixties also included the Viewline Atkinsons with and without external rads, again as you see below. This was said to be a move to try and shake off the old image. As to the Clearview name we may have to concede it was a mix up as to whether it had been confused with the Viewline name. Hope the pics help, as they say much better than a thousand words. Franky. ( I added the name Flatgrille, it didn’t come from the same source)
The Guardsman which was exhibited in Bulwark livery in 1964 was powered by a V8 ■■■■■■■ engine, not a straight six. As befits the oft-used slant of book editors, the Ruston-engined tin-front was probably used in print because it was a one-off; in latter years, it wouldn’t even have got beyond prototype stage. The Guardsman was not a success because it wasn’t accepted by Atkinson’s traditional customer base - who stuck to what they were used to and told Atkinson so; hence it never going into full production.
The tin-front Castrol eight-wheeler & trailer (restored by Robin Smith) later called the ‘Bodyline’ was another variation on the traditional Atkinson theme which again failed to secure widespread acceptance amongst their customers. I suspect the thinking at the time was that if the design couldn’t persuade their committed customers to buy it, they weren’t going to attract new buyers. In hindsight, whether we agree with them or not - the people who were buying the Atkinson products at the time were quite sure what they wanted. In terms of the design, at that time they wanted the traditional Withnell-tubed radiator - so the tin-front ‘Bodyline’ was aborted. The plus-side of that was the introduction of the twin-headlights. Even with the release of the Mk II, which later evolved into the Borderer/Venturer/Leader/Defender/Raider/Searcher range, Atkinson styled the new model on what the customer preferred - by hiding the radiator behind a glass-fibre mimic of the original. If nothing else, this might illustrate that the company had learned their lesson from previous styling failures.
Atkinson Bodyline,Viewline,Guardsman,Clearview Cabs,Etc.
Hello Bassman. Thanks So from what you are saying,the Atkinson Guardsman 4x2 Tractive Unit,operated by Bulwark has,according to the authors of the British Lorries Since 1945 Book,the Clearview Cab?
Which is what I originally suggested in my post.
But later on in the post I linked a photograph to an Atkinson Viewline that the photographer
reffered to as “Clearview”.
I will include the photographic links again,plus some more:-
The Atkinson Bodyline Cab:-
flickr.com/photos/63211677@N … 821406@N24
The Bodyline Cab on the Atkinson Bodyline L2486X 8x2/8x4 Castrol Petrol Tanker,CLH 957B:-
flickr.com/photos/16693939@N07/7285561240/
The Bodyline Cab on the Atkinson Bodyline,Ruston & Hornsby Diesel-engined,4x2 Tractive Unit-
Lowloader Artic,VFE 848,of DMT:-
flickr.com/photos/64012895@N05/6850055929/
The Atkinson Viewline Cab:-
flickr.com/photos/16693939@N07/7718764226/
The one and the same Atkinson Viewline,but referred to as a “Clearview”:-
flickr.com/photos/wyliefox/7723748536/
The Atkinson Guardsman,■■■■■■■ V8 Diesel-engined 4x2 Tractive Unit,operated by Bulwark,which has,
according to the authors of the British Lorries Since 1945 Book,the Clearview Cab:-
google.com/imgres?q=ATKINSON … x=82&ty=67
And another photograph of the Atkinson Guardsman 4x2 Tractive Unit of Bulwark:-
tonypricephotography.com/photo_8419906.html
Please see the 15th post down that has a artcle and photographs of the Bulwark Atkinson Guardsman
4x2 Tractive Unit:-
viewtopic.php?f=35&t=61784
VALKYRIE.
marky:
The Guardsman which was exhibited in Bulwark livery in 1964 was powered by a V8 ■■■■■■■ engine, not a straight six. As befits the oft-used slant of book editors, the Ruston-engined tin-front was probably used in print because it was a one-off; in latter years, it wouldn’t even have got beyond prototype stage. The Guardsman was not a success because it wasn’t accepted by Atkinson’s traditional customer base - who stuck to what they were used to and told Atkinson so; hence it never going into full production.The tin-front Castrol eight-wheeler & trailer (restored by Robin Smith) later called the ‘Bodyline’ was another variation on the traditional Atkinson theme which again failed to secure widespread acceptance amongst their customers. I suspect the thinking at the time was that if the design couldn’t persuade their committed customers to buy it, they weren’t going to attract new buyers. In hindsight, whether we agree with them or not - the people who were buying the Atkinson products at the time were quite sure what they wanted. In terms of the design, at that time they wanted the traditional Withnell-tubed radiator - so the tin-front ‘Bodyline’ was aborted. The plus-side of that was the introduction of the twin-headlights. Even with the release of the Mk II, which later evolved into the Borderer/Venturer/Leader/Defender/Raider/Searcher range, Atkinson styled the new model on what the customer preferred - by hiding the radiator behind a glass-fibre mimic of the original. If nothing else, this might illustrate that the company had learned their lesson from previous styling failures.
All spot-on - the late Frank Whalley (Publicity & Promotions Manager for Atkinson, for those who didn’t know of him) used to tell the tale of receiving a deputation from a group of Scottish hauliers, concerning the dummy radiator first shown on the Mk.2. at Kelvin Hall in 1967. They were demanding the reinstatement of the aluminium radiator when the new model went into production. Sums were duly done, and it was estimated that the additional cost would be £25/chassis. Thereafter, there was no further discussion…
As Marky rightly says, customers demanded that “look” about the motors, hence why the Viewline went into production with the dummy radiator.
Why did the Viewline not succeed? Apart from niche applications where its 3-seater potential came in handy (RTITB, abnormal loads), the committed customer base, such as Sutton’s, Hanson’s, NCB, Northern Ireland Trailers, the oil companies, etc., showed no enthusiasm for it whatsover. Also, although it was listed, briefly, as the standard cab on the 6x4 tractor, the Mk.2 cab could be fitted for a rebate of £150 - quite a lot, in proportion to the total vehicle price. Hence, it was all over for the Viewline by 1970, the last ones I’m aware of being 5 for Pickfords on J-plates
Wheel Nut:
Did we mention the Krupps cab?
Atkinson Krupp Cab,Atkinson Aussie Skippy Cab,Atkinson Motor Panels Mk 3 Supa Cab.
Krupp-Cabbed Atkinson Lorries.
In July 1968 Atkinson Vehicles Ltd set up Atkinson Vehicles (Europe) Ltd in a location between
Antwerp and Brussels in Belgium,so that that the company could enter the European lorry market.
The German Krupp company stopped making road haulage lorries in 1968,and then concentrated on
producing road-going heavy duty mobile cranes.
Atkinson needed a better appointed cab for their European venture than the GRP and wood Mk1 and
Mk2 Panoramic Cabs,so Krupp allowed Atkinson to fit Krupp day and sleeper steel cabs on to
their European lorries.Which consisted of Atkinson Silver Knight Model CLT.3846RR 4x2 Tractive Units,with Rolls-Royce Eagle 220 and 265 diesel engines,ZF 6-speed gearboxes,Kirkstall 13-ton double driving axles and ZF power steering.There was also a one-off ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ Black Knight rigid 6x4 lorry.
Atkinson’s European venture turned out to be a flop.
Photographs:-
A Krupp 6x4 Tractive Unit fitted with the same cab as used by Atkinson Vehicles:-
flickr.com/photos/60781488@N05/6313423638/
google.com/imgres?q=ATKINSON … 0,s:0,i:73
The Rolls-Royce 265 Eagle-engined Atkinson Krupp’s had an extended front end:-
flickr.com/photos/blackcount … 216398183/
google.com/imgres?q=ATKINSON … 1,s:0,i:76
media.photobucket.com/image/ATKI … krupp1.jpg
flickr.com/photos/63211677@N04/6328405923/
NOTE:What did the CLT letters in the CLT.3846RR model designation mean? Please.And a further
NOTE:At the end of certain Atkinson model designations there is a letter in brackets:-I’ve come across
(E),(L),(S) and (T) so far - so what do these letters mean and/or signify? Please.Thanks.
Atkinson Motor Panels Mk 3 Supa Cab.
Seddon fitted this cab on to many of their lorry models.After Seddon had taken over Atkinson,
the Motor Panels Mk3 Supa Cab was fitted to some Atkinson export lorries:-
static.commercialmotor.com/big-l … 113675.jpg
Atkinson Aussie Skippy Cab.
Atkinson began building lorries for the Australian lorry market in 1962,and the Australian-built
Reinforced Plastics Pty Ltd GRP Tilt Cab became the standard cab on Australian Atkinson lorries
in 1966. One of these cabs was sent over to Atkinson in England for evaluation in 1968.
static.commercialmotor.com/big-l … 113672.jpg
Atkinson Gold Knight S2486XL,Reinforced Plastics Pty Ltd “Skippy”-cabbed,Gardner 6LX 150-engined,Tipper-bodied,8x4 Lorry,XWW 926G,1968-1969.R.Hanson & Son,Wakefield:-
flickr.com/photos/63211677@N04/5789921045/
flickr.com/photos/23107633@N … 53751@N06/
flickr.com/photos/23107633@N … 53751@N06/
If Atkinson had made the RPPL Aussie Skippy Cab standard or optional on British market Atkinson
lorries,the company might have sold a lot more lorries than what they did! - and would have been
in a stronger position to resist Seddon and any other predatory companies!
VALKYRIE.
VALKYRIE:
If Atkinson had made the RPPL Aussie Skippy Cab standard or optional on British market Atkinson
lorries,the company might have sold a lot more lorries than what they did!
in a stronger position to resist Seddon and any other predatory companies!VALKYRIE.
But the eventual 400/401 SA seems to show that they produced a better product as a merged firm than either did when they were independent 
.
Valkyrie - read the thread about Atkinsons on here - or use the search facility with the keywords of the information you’re looking for.
Most, if not all of the queries you’ve raised in your last post can be answered by the posts on that thread.
You never know, it might save you an hour or two in having to type a chapter of War & Peace every time you post
Carryfast:
But the eventual 400/401 SA seems to show that they produced a better product as a merged firm than either did when they were independent
I would say no, just look back at the group axle that was a disaster which caused a few companies to look
at other manufactures products, the 400 series for the driver was a big step forward but from
a fitters view its only good point was it had a tilt cab in more ways than one. 
Carryfast:
VALKYRIE:
If Atkinson had made the RPPL Aussie Skippy Cab standard or optional on British market Atkinson
lorries,the company might have sold a lot more lorries than what they did!
in a stronger position to resist Seddon and any other predatory companies!VALKYRIE.
But the eventual 400/401 SA seems to show that they produced a better product as a merged firm than either did when they were independent
Sorry me old Mucker I have to,very reluctantly 
, disagree with you there,speaking from first hand knowledge having run Atkinsons,Seddons and the Sed Atks.Both the Borderer and the Seddon 32/4 were both better motors than the early Sed/Atks.Cheers Bewick.
We are slipping off the thread a bit.
In Yorkshire the normal call across the puddles in the yard was:
Tek Yon Atki and Look Sharp Get Back Soon!