Asylum seekers off to Rwanda

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the maoster:

Franglais:
As I understand those refugees who do remain here won`t be the fit young men, who have a genuine fear of persecutionr

I’m unsure as to whether you just disagree for the sake of disagreement or whether you actually are some sort of spawn of the Islington liberal chattering classes., but we’ll save your above statement for posterity shall we? Unbloodybelievable! The next time some poor innocent is having their head hacked off in a tube station, market square or London hospital lets all celebrate the fact that those same fit young contributors to society are still here thanks to you and your ilk.

Well said.

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the maoster:
The next time some poor innocent is having their head hacked off in a tube station, market square or London hospital lets all celebrate the fact that those same fit young contributors to society are still here thanks to you and your ilk.

Call me old-fashioned, but I would have thought that anyone guilty of such acts, or likely to carry them out in the future, would be better imprisoned, rather than being sent to the wonderful haven that Patel and Johnson say Rwanda is. After all if any of these are, as you suggest, terrorists, then sending them somewhere with no fences is not going to stop them returning is it?

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Denise Coffey was on the BBC R4 Today prog. Seems that the project has already sent £120m to Rwanda. (That is for 5 years)
There are figures floating around (The Times) that there are likely to be 50,000 refugee arrivals this year. There are already over 80,000 cases pending.
The Rwanda scheme is for some low hundreds of people to be sent there. The Home Office isnt officially telling us how many will be sent there with our tax money.... Hmmm....when is the next Home Office Questions? Surely Patel would have done a proper cost/benefit analysis? The johnson Gov isnt about chucking shed loads of money around just for effect?

Will a few hundred out of 50,000 be much of a deterrent?
Will those paying money, and risking their lives to get here be put off by those odds?

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Franglais:

robroy:
Have you seen all the weeping lefties on the news., telling us how wrong and unfair it is sending economic migrants to Rwandah,.telling us they are fleeing for their lives and have been ‘‘betrayed’’ by the UK …fleeing for their lives? …what, from France?
Looks very likely that the minority is going to oversee the views of the majority here as usual.
It just takes one full plane load to be sent over and there you have the deterrent, :bulb: if it had not been too far away,. I personally would rock up to wave them off.
Maybe there should be a democratic vote on this, second thoughts maybe not, as the trend seems to be if the minority don’t get their way, …
Well you know what happens :unamused:

I don`t know much about this, but I think you have a couple of errors there.
It is refugees who are being deported, not economic migrants.*
“b. “Asylum seeker” means a person seeking to be recognised as a refugee in accordance with the Refugee Convention or otherwise claiming protection on humanitarian or human rights grounds”

The target is for ■■? a year to go there, at a cost of £120m, plus an amount per head sent
According to UNHCR statistics, as of mid-2021 there were 135,912 refugees, 83,489 pending asylum cases and 3,968 stateless persons in the UK.
How many people do we grant asylum or protection to? gov.uk › government › statistics › how-ma…
Mar 3, 2022 — There were 48,540 asylum applications (relating to 56,495 people) in the UK in 2021.

So, ■■? out of 50,000 will go? Are you a betting man? If you were prepared to risk getting in an old dinghy for instance, would you fancy giving it a go? Those who pay to risk their lives to get here will take a lot of deterrence won`t they?
And is going Rwanda such a deterrent?
Apparently the refugees are going to get a great new chance at a fresh start there. At least that is what Johnson etc tell us…Oh…sounds really bad then.

Oh, and we are getting some of Rwanda`s existing refugees.*
“16.1 The Participants will make arrangements for the United Kingdom to resettle a portion of Rwanda’s most vulnerable refugees in the United Kingdom, recognising both Participants’ commitment towards providing better international protection for refugees.”
Probably not many though. Just the most vulnerable ones.

As I understand those refugees who do remain here won`t be the fit young men, who have a genuine fear of persecution, and who could become healthy workers paying their own way. Those will be sent away. The women and children, and elderly, who too have a genuine fear of persecution, will stay here.

I believe there has been no Parliamentary vote taken on any of this. It is all down to Patel.

Well thanks for the lesson in what constitutes a refugee/asylum seeker,.I’ll write it down for future reference.
But I still think/know my description is more accurate.
As I said where is the risk of torture and persecution in the likes of France,.Germany,.Holland etc.?
Surely the first safe haven country should be where they claim asylum, but being as they ARE actually economic migrants (whether initially refugees on start of journey or not) , they get a much better deal in the UK,.and they know it.
However a ‘‘Next stop Rwandah’’ policy will sure as hell he a deterrent’’ which they also know.

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Franglais:
Call me old-fashioned, but I would have thought that anyone guilty of such acts, or likely to carry them out in the future, would be better imprisoned, rather than being sent to the wonderful haven that Patel and Johnson say Rwanda is. After all if any of these are, as you suggest, terrorists, then sending them somewhere with no fences is not going to stop them returning is it?

You’re not actually Jeremy Corbyn filling time between jobs are you?

Imprisoned? Ha, don’t make me laugh, do you mean imprisoned just like the numerous lone wolf attackers who blight our island? Of course they are on a watchlist and of course the infringing of their civil liberties doesn’t allow us to imprison them right up until the moment they denonate their backpack full of scrapyard confetti at a pop concert!

The idea that you are actually suggesting that they should be in prison is laughable when one considers that if they were imprisoned for being a possible threat then you would be bleating the loudest about how our government were treating these poor misunderstood individuals.

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How unforunate that the Champagne Socialist crowd can’t do as much for the people that actually voted for them to lift them out of poverty here in Blighty…

“Legal Challenges” would be easy to get around, but there is an extensive spy network so these people (hotshot left-leaning lawyers) know exactly where to go, what to apply for, and what ajar door they can get their last-minute paperwork through…

That plane practically WAITED for an injuction to happen!

…Meanwhile, former Keir Starmer supporters - gnash their teeth at the Airports, because their unionized brothers and sisters - have decided to hold multi-level industrial actions that only hurt the very people that used to vote for Labour…

Next Election?

If Boris steps down beforehand, then who’s gonna be winning, and on what ticket■■?

It has become quite clear that Brexit is NOT yet completed, as we still pay billions to the EU, still buy their overpriced food, still let ourselves be pushed around by the Court of Yuman Rights, and of course don’t get to re-write the NI Protocol without attracting further ire from the EU comparable to the lesser-actions they have taken against Putin’s Russia (very quietly still buying gas and oil from them…) No WONDER the sanctions are ONLY hurting the west now.

Where’s the PT boats in the channel we heard spoken of over a year ago■■?

Why are SKIPPERS of people trafficing vessels not actually BUSTED for being those very same people trafficers?
The authorities don’t turn up to hand over PPE, Biccies, and NI numbers to people falling out the back of Truck Trailers - do they?
One wonders what happens to such people spilling out the back, after they get taken away to be “processed” and all…

Moved to a Holiday Inn/Travellodge near you?
Can’t get overnight accommodation for love nor money?

Hmm…

So much for the “Staycation” with such a drop in home-holiday maker capacity eh?

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Just had one of those poor oppressed refugees (young male surprise surprise) who was taken off the plane at last minute, interviewed on radio news,.telling us…
''I was totally unaware of the policy to send us (illegal entrants) to Africa,.and if I’d known I’d never have gone through everything (presumably a dangerous dinghy ride) to get to the UK. :neutral_face: …there’s a message in there somewhere is there not? :bulb:

So if all the religious nuts from the church, the bleeding hearts,.and the liberal lefties just shut the ■■■■ up, the plan would more than likely work. :bulb:

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The majority ain’t heard because they’re silent. Maybe it’s time to get loud.

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It was never meant to work.

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Juddian:
It was never meant to work.

Immigration? Asylum seekers?
Pretty much useless since it only will affect 1% or 2%. Few people risking their lives will be put off by those odds, surely.

But spending £120 million of taxpayers money, to unite the fan-boys against “lefty lawyers” etc?
Wizard Wheeze!

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Franglais:

Juddian:
It was never meant to work.

Immigration? Asylum seekers?

The Rwanda farce, £120 millions worth (of other people’s money ie ours) of headline squirrel pointing.

The only way this illegal immigration will ever stop is via the one guaranteed method, ie by hitting them in the pocket, no freebies no pocket money no free housing etc, you come here illegally you are entitled to nothing and you will never ever be granted residency because you are here illegally.
This won’t happen of course because there are other agendas being played out.

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Winseer:
How unforunate that the Champagne Socialist crowd can’t do as much for the people that actually voted for them to lift them out of poverty here in Blighty…

“Legal Challenges” would be easy to get around, but there is an extensive spy network so these people (hotshot left-leaning lawyers) know exactly where to go, what to apply for, and what ajar door they can get their last-minute paperwork through…

That plane practically WAITED for an injuction to happen!

…Meanwhile, former Keir Starmer supporters - gnash their teeth at the Airports, because their unionized brothers and sisters - have decided to hold multi-level industrial actions that only hurt the very people that used to vote for Labour…

Next Election?

If Boris steps down beforehand, then who’s gonna be winning, and on what ticket■■?

It has become quite clear that Brexit is NOT yet completed, as we still pay billions to the EU, still buy their overpriced food, still let ourselves be pushed around by the Court of Yuman Rights, and of course don’t get to re-write the NI Protocol without attracting further ire from the EU comparable to the lesser-actions they have taken against Putin’s Russia (very quietly still buying gas and oil from them…) No WONDER the sanctions are ONLY hurting the west now.

Where’s the PT boats in the channel we heard spoken of over a year ago■■?

Why are SKIPPERS of people trafficing vessels not actually BUSTED for being those very same people trafficers?
The authorities don’t turn up to hand over PPE, Biccies, and NI numbers to people falling out the back of Truck Trailers - do they?
One wonders what happens to such people spilling out the back, after they get taken away to be “processed” and all…

Moved to a Holiday Inn/Travellodge near you?
Can’t get overnight accommodation for love nor money?

Hmm…

So much for the “Staycation” with such a drop in home-holiday maker capacity eh?

The local hotel is being used to house Afghans , it has been so for what seems like months , guess it is , not sure why there is security on entrance
I’d like to say I’ve no issue but reading of all the young couples who had there wedding receptions cancelled at the hotel at very short notice doesn’t seem right , if reports are true they’ve now moved to the top of the housing list , again you can understand the frustration of the young couples who have been on lists for years to get a house

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We’ve just had a change of government here and I’m glad to say that they’re carrying on with the same thing as the last one. They will never be allowed in or given Australian citizenship if they come illegally. The Sri Lankan navy catches the boats and takes them back.

Like others have said, they only want to get to places like England and Australia etc, because they think they’ll be looked after.

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So…thelondoneconomic.com/polit … ay-330371/

200 to go…£600,000 for each channel migrant…when they finally get any out there…
Still our tax monies bought a few headlines in the xenophobic pro Johnson rags for a week or two. I`m sure Patel thinks it a bargain.

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Franglais:
So…thelondoneconomic.com/polit … ay-330371/

200 to go…£600,000 for each channel migrant…when they finally get any out there…
Still our tax monies bought a few headlines in the xenophobic pro Johnson rags for a week or two. I`m sure Patel thinks it a bargain.

Someone’s not very good at rithmatic.
The hostel holds 200, there’s nothing to stop them leaving, so that’s 200 a day, (£1,600 each) or 200 an hour that could be sent to the hostel (£68.50 each, bargain [emoji23])

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stu675:

Franglais:
So…thelondoneconomic.com/polit … ay-330371/

200 to go…£600,000 for each channel migrant…when they finally get any out there…
Still our tax monies bought a few headlines in the xenophobic pro Johnson rags for a week or two. I`m sure Patel thinks it a bargain.

Someone’s not very good at rithmatic.
The hostel holds 200, there’s nothing to stop them leaving, so that’s 200 a day, (£1,600 each) or 200 an hour that could be sent to the hostel (£68.50 each, bargain [emoji23])

Maybe some are as fast as Hussein Bolt? So, under a fiver each!

With a little rithmatic and a big imagination youd go far as a politician Stu! :smiley:

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Following on from the money sent to Rwanda, (how many migrants have been sent so far?) Patel is now spending more of our tax pounds.
The Royal Navy were less than keen to ram and sink civilians in rubber boats, or what ever her scheme was, cant say I blame them. As a defence, if on trial for killing women and kids, the military said "I was following orders" hasnt a good history. Anyway they are now being scaled back in the channel.
But to replace them, we now have some private boats being hired by the Gov, to rescue these potential asylum seekers and bring them to Dover.

Well done Ms Patel, much better value for money. They can bring hundreds here every day for just a few million quid, compared to the few hundred people over years for many millions of quid to fly them out again.

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> Buckstones:
> Nigel Farage’s YouTube comment on this, is that the major flaw in this idea is that we have not yet withdrawn from the EU convention on human rights.
> Until the government replaces this with our own human rights legislation the plan will be shot down by the EU courts, which we are still bound by.
>
> I won’t hold my breath till Boris (or anyone else) grows the backbone to really set us free from the EU.
> Note also that the ‘green’ obsessed powers that be are adopting speed-limited cars, to stay in line with the EU, backed by the car manufacturers.
> It would cost a few pence to offer cars with the limiter disabled for sale in the UK and elsewhere while leaving it active for EU use.

The European Convention on Human Rights is an international treaty launched by the Council of Europe in 1950 to help protect people’s human rights and fundamental freedoms. The Council of Europe is not part of the European Union.

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With Sunella Braverman on the case, she’ll either make some changes - and succeed - or faceplant like her predecessor did in short order…

Perhaps a good idea to start with - would be to bust the SKIPPERS of the vessels bringing this rabble across the channel. They are people traffickers after all…

Take over the vessel, take it back to the French coast, evacuate it on the French shore, then arrest the skipper, and scuttle the vessel.

What’s the EU gonna do about it, or any other foreign outfit that Brexit should have already got us out of by this point?

“International Law” is all well and good - until you get poorer and poorer economy from it every year for decades…

Something has got to give, and I would prefer our government actually gets a grip, rather than leads this country to civil war over this enforced impoverishment all because the Tory idiots want to back foreign nazis rather than their own industry to “appease the wrong people abroad” rather than those who actually vote(d) for them here in the first place. :imp: :angry:

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Winseer:
With Sunella Braverman on the case, she’ll either make some changes - and succeed - or faceplant like her predecessor did in short order…

Perhaps a good idea to start with - would be to bust the SKIPPERS of the vessels bringing this rabble across the channel. They are people traffickers after all…
Take over the vessel, take it back to the French coast, evacuate it on the French shore, then arrest the skipper, and scuttle the vessel.
What’s the EU gonna do about it, or any other foreign outfit that Brexit should have already got us out of by this point?

“International Law” is all well and good - until you get poorer and poorer economy from it every year for decades…

Something has got to give, and I would prefer our government actually gets a grip, rather than leads this country to civil war over this enforced impoverishment all because the Tory idiots want to back foreign nazis rather than their own industry to “appease the wrong people abroad” rather than those who actually vote(d) for them here in the first place. :imp: :angry:

You really are as ignorant as you are deluded, aren’t you?

One, do you really think that the “traffickers” get into the dinghies, and steer them across? Really??
I can explain, but I would waste my time.

Two, “take over the vessels”, and land them on the coast of another sovereign country … grief, where to start…
You would be trespassing at best, and depending on the vessels involved, and language used, potentially invading a sovereign country. Wars have started over less.

I guess you, and your compatriots at GB News would like to see gunboats in the channel. Newsflash, you haven’t got any left. One of your two aircraft carriers is broken down, and the other one has no planes.
Oh, and guess what… you’re on a time share with your enemy for the aircraft carriers.

I bet you creamed yourself when Dizzy Lizzy made her speech outside no.10.