kr79:
tir permit
Did it say what that may be?
It was the cost of insurance and visas that put me off
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kr79:
In the middle east special of commercial motor it said the operator is responsible for arangeing there tir permit which is costly and time consuming so you would have to be financially secure and serious about doing it before you start so I suppose this weeds out most of the time wasters before they start.
Hullo,
What it probably meant that you as an Owner / Driver operating on your own Operaters Licence, would be responsible for having and arranging your own TIR Carnets, made out to you.
Cheers, Archie.
What Archie paice said it sounded like you had to prove you had to have access to so much in cleared funds but didn’t give a figure. I’m sure someone on here can tell us as it’s not something I’ve ever been involved with.
Didn’t even think of insurance costs which I can imagine could be expensive or difficult to obtain especially at the moment with the situation in the Arab world at present.
Ok Guys
This is the lowdown for T I R carnets you have to put up a deposit to the value of the load ,as an ownerdriver this is simple your Insureance company will do this unless you have a crapp company,
My advice is go to R L Davidson in London they were Astrans insurers and most likley still are ,give them all the info you can and they will come up with a yearly package ,of a Bond insurance to cover anyload ,AA or RAC will cover your Triptic , and dont forget the greencard ,whis again RL Davison will supply
You Must Insure with one of the main brokers of Loyds of London there are only six and one is RL Davidson,they will then Split this cost with about 20 other brokers ,but you will not know who they are as they buy the risk from Davidsons
If you dont get this type of cover you are at great risk, I had cover for £1.000.000 when I was with Astrans as most of the loads then had a value of £400.000 plus, I am supprised Astran now are Sending out a Truck and driver on his own for the first trip
again I would advise ,a double up with two or more trucks together ,this Journey to Doha is not like Driving round the M25 or anywhere in europe ,as most of my ME freinds will tell, but good luck be safe dont argue with other driver give way on the road even ifyou have the right of way .And bring me back some Saudi Deisel 
Roger Haywood
From my understanding, but not gospel as i am not mr astran, is, astran supply the carnet , at a minor cost for you to do the trip, you only need one, as there isnt any backloads, astran also at a cost will supply you with insurance, for the load for the trip, this is the simplest way,Your truck needs european insurance to cover you to the greek/turkish border, after that you then buy insurance for the truck at the border for each country, my understanding is that the insurance is to cover you hitting a local, if a local hits you i wouldnt hold out a lot of luck, but i may be wrong. I found it impossible to cover the insurnce any other way, i had a fair bit of eastern european experiance, including russia, albania, yugoslavia, and they insited that i run down with some of the other guys on my first trip. It is to be fair to them, an absolute nightmare to sort any problems if you are on your own and a long way away and you have no idea, and if you drop them in it, its then there problem. 
Richmond
What u say might well be true now, but Astran never insured a load of the over 80 trips I did for them I had to have my own and the question was( your own Carnets as an ownerdriver) ,things might have changed, you could always buy border insurance but it was rubbish ,try claiming it , in Turkey they still wanted the Greencard copy 2nd section,believe me its better for peace of mind to Insure everything from the UK in one package,If you cant afford the insurance dont go its as simple as that
Roger Haywood
Fair enough roger, i have only been doing a few for about two yrs, i found it impossible to get insurance from the uk, for either truck or load when you get past greece, i beleive it is possible to get it to turkey, but after that i dont think its possible, but i may be proved wrong.I am fairly sure this is how its doone now,The new guys should ask kevin, he is very amenable and can answer all the questions.Either way, this is how i done my last trip which was in october last year.I only do a few here and there and it wasnt worth my bother trying to hard to find cover, was just easier to do it this way, but fair point you wouldnt want to do it with a newish truck with lots of outstanding hp !
richmond:
Fair enough roger, i have only been doing a few for about two yrs, i found it impossible to get insurance from the uk, for either truck or load when you get past greece, i beleive it is possible to get it to turkey, but after that i dont think its possible, but i may be proved wrong.I am fairly sure this is how its doone now,The new guys should ask kevin, he is very amenable and can answer all the questions.Either way, this is how i done my last trip which was in october last year.I only do a few here and there and it wasnt worth my bother trying to hard to find cover, was just easier to do it this way, but fair point you wouldnt want to do it with a newish truck with lots of outstanding hp !
Going back to the carnet issue, i beleive theya re around 70 quid from astran, plius the load insurance, its too much bother to get your own, and i am already a rha member , thats my opinion anyway.
Just out of interest Richmond do you know how much the third party insurance costs for each country??
I was talking to a lad a few weeks ago who had been out to Jordan he said he had insurance cover for Europe and Turkey then bought third party insurance for Syria and Jordan at the borders as he couldnt get cover with his insurer.
Also how about border crossings is there still long delays and lots of hassle??
a friend of mine has been to Turkey lately and said it was pretty straight forward Greece/Turkey??
Thanks.
davemackie:
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Dave, who was the Chambers & Cook driver? not Johnny Mac…
freshir:
ed209trucks:
thanks for the info lads,
i`ll speak to kev at astrans when my passport comes back and ask him what the deal isfreshir wrote ;-
Hi Ed, As a matter of interest have you run M/E before ?
Hi Freshir, ive never done it before, ive been as far as athens.
They are going to run me with someone for the first trip, and it`s convoy through syria. i rang them up and i had to send them a little bit about myself,
he who dares.
ed209trucks
ed209trucks:
freshir:
ed209trucks:
thanks for the info lads,
i`ll speak to kev at astrans when my passport comes back and ask him what the deal isfreshir wrote ;-
Hi Ed, As a matter of interest have you run M/E before ?
Hi Freshir, ive never done it before, ive been as far as athens.
They are going to run me with someone for the first trip, and it`s convoy through syria. i rang them up and i had to send them a little bit about myself,
he who dares.Inded ! who dares wins rodders, syria, convoy, its a concept, not an actual reality…Its the worst bit, you do it all at night ! In reality there is no convoy at all ed, do what i do, make freinds with a turk and stick to him like glue !damascus is really cool, but you only see it in darkness , though there was a rumour theywas going to change it to day time,o
richmond:
ed209trucks:
freshir:
ed209trucks:
thanks for the info lads,
i`ll speak to kev at astrans when my passport comes back and ask him what the deal isfreshir wrote ;-
Hi Ed, As a matter of interest have you run M/E before ?Hi Freshir, i
ve never done it before, ive been as far as athens.
They are going to run me with someone for the first trip, and it`s convoy through syria. i rang them up and i had to send them a little bit about myself,he who dares.Inded ! who dares wins rodders, syria, convoy, its a concept, not an actual reality…Its the worst bit, you do it all at night ! In reality there is no convoy at all ed, do what i do, make ith a turk and stick to him like glue !damascus is really cool, but you only see it in darkness , though there was a rumour theywas going to change it to day time,o
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Hi Ed - Good luck mate I look forward to your safe return and an account of your trip with interest along with most others-.Fred
All this Jibba Jabba about insurance in Syria and Jordan pls Guys its just a way of taking your money if You have a serious misshap forget comming home for a while ,and yes you can get cover for these countrys ,if you feel this is worth the risk then make sure you ,stay safe dont do anything stupid ,Dont follow close up a trucks arse ,let the Rag heads overtake you be last at the next border in Syria as its a stockcar race to get there,for a 1st timer this will be a major wake up,the Convoy in Jordan is not so bad as Syria ,but its still push and shove,
I dont wish to put anyone off going but you need to be aware of whats to come ,as I said before go with someone who has been before ,we all did including me ,and im glad I did, dont forget my Saudi Deisel ,for all this info Good Luck.
Roger Haywood
Insurance costs per country i can not remember the exact price but i would allow about 100 quid each country, thats probably a bit too much but i cant remember the exact price, in syria, there is a night time only truck transit movements, they call it a convoy, you pay for a convoy, but it is not in the sense of a convoy that you or i would think of it, you go through the customs gate and are told to meet at customs at homs, you go there, sign in then out then drive to dara at the border with jord, through the night, you do not, like you would think all go off together in convoy formation !when you get to jordan, there is no convoy there at all, and you can drive during the day, in fact syria is the only place where you have to drive at night, syria for me is the worse bit, and rogers right its very scary and you have to be really switched on, apart from that, its rather nice.
Oh yeah, as im sure roger will agree, arabs have absolutely no concept of either, giving way, or queing, there is only who dares wins, i have seen in haditha a truck cab ripped off a volvofh12 cos neither guys would give way, this was in the que for the x ray machine, neither drivers could have been driving faster than ten miles per hour, they do some amazing stunts !
Judging by the tv news the syrian convoy could be getting a lot more lively soon 
kr79:
Judging by the tv news the syrian convoy could be getting a lot more lively soon
Nothing to worry about drive, just stick yer head out of the window and say unto them, excuse me ,im british ,move along now…i have to crack on here a bit…
Matty J:
Just out of interest Richmond do you know how much the third party insurance costs for each country??
I was talking to a lad a few weeks ago who had been out to Jordan he said he had insurance cover for Europe and Turkey then bought third party insurance for Syria and Jordan at the borders as he couldnt get cover with his insurer.Also how about border crossings is there still long delays and lots of hassle??
a friend of mine has been to Turkey lately and said it was pretty straight forward Greece/Turkey??Thanks.
Do not go bulgaia to turkey via kapicula border, its ■■■■■■ go a bit furtehr into greece, and go in via kipi/ipsala a lot easier,i did try kapicula, just cos im stupid , keith told me not too !i can do kipi on a good day in about 4 tpo 5hrs took me 3 days in kapicula and a lot of greif and two fights with turks.